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[TK514]

So, what you're saying is that the objective 'good' position in Thedas is pro-human, anti-mage with a pro-Hawke override protocol?

[Cheylus]

Please don't kill Aveline. She was the only reasonnable person in the entire game... almost.

[ilikesocks]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Why are you guys talking about Anders when we should be talking about Aveline? Isn't their an Anders thread somewhere?

Well, because...

AutumnWitch wrote...

i don't follow Batman so I have no idea what you mean here....I would dissagree only Aveline and maybe (BIG MAYBE) Anders are more important than Hawke symbolically.

To which I responded with a small rant about Ander's being whiny. Then, I said, "Vent over. Proceed." Which means, continue discussion, back to Aveline, etc. In case you don't understand what 'proceed' means or what I meant when I said it.

HOWEVER, just to say something about her before your head explodes, I think she was right in turning Carver down at that time. He grew up a lot throughout the game, and that's quite obvious towards the end of the game. But he was too angry/immature at the beginning when that conversation took place. I didn't really dislike or like Aveline... she was chillin' in the dark for most of my playthroughs, unless I needed her with me to do one of her missions.

So uh..yeah... Proceed.

[Lord Raijin]

Am1_vf wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

/me clicks on the direct/aggressive opinion.

After everything my Hawke player did for this woman you would think she would be grateful for what he did to her. When he starts courting her she shrugs it off like if it was nothing. She failed to see my Hawkes feelings for her, and just when things can't get any worst.... She tried getting him to hook her up with one of the guardsmen. I don't think so!

So if Aveline does show up in DA: I and she dies It wouldn't bother me at all... after all she ****blocked my Hawke for as long as she did.

You  should have agreed, Aveline in (what she considers) a date is the most adorable thing ever . It hurts but she is worth the pain.

I didn't think it was adorable. It was obnoxious. Aveline was married once. She acts like if she never dated before.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Aveline more important than Hawke bold suggestion because she can't express her feelings and she is only captain of the guards and have daddy issues.Aveline isn't whitout flaws if you don't have enough approval she is ready slain innocent mages because her supervisors tell her that. She is lawful good character whether she choose lawful side or good side depends on hawke.In end of the game if you choose mage side her life in kirkwall is over.

Hawke of course is pawn but he ultimately led to mage rebelion and chance to change mages life one can argue that Anders did that but whitout hawke anders would be far away or dead because hawke status protect him.So pro mage hawke is now symbol of freedom for mages.

[Lord Raijin]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Aveline more important than Hawke bold suggestion because she can't express her feelings and she is only captain of the guards and have daddy issues.Aveline isn't whitout flaws if you don't have enough approval she is ready slain innocent mages because her supervisors tell her that. She is lawful good character whether she choose lawful side or good side depends on hawke.In end of the game if you choose mage side her life in kirkwall is over.

Hawke of course is pawn but he ultimately led to mage rebelion and chance to change mages life one can argue that Anders did that but whitout hawke anders would be far away or dead because hawke status protect him.So pro mage hawke is now symbol of freedom for mages.

I wouldnt call her a lawful character. She allows my character to steal, provoke a war against the Quanri, which lead to the dead of a certain ruler. And she refuses to jail my hawke character for murder.

She is as currupted as her previous boss.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 22 juillet 2013 - 02:36 .

[ilikesocks]

No, she isn't.

I don't know what kind of character you played, but, I only killed those who tried to harm me first. Jeven was using his own guards to further his own selfish agenda. I don't recall Aveline being anything like Jeven, period. That's one reason I barely took her anywhere, because of rivalry gain during some playthroughs. Aveline is pretty protective of her guardsmen as I recall. I think you just hate Aveline, haha. I'm sorry she rejected you.

Also, I'm pretty sure Aveline came to Hawke before going to the Qunari about the Elven fugitives because she was hoping Hawke could convince the Arishok to hand them over, WITHOUT starting a war and all that... I don't agree that she 'allowed Hawke to provoke a war against the Qunari'....

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lord Raijin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Aveline more important than Hawke bold suggestion because she can't express her feelings and she is only captain of the guards and have daddy issues.Aveline isn't whitout flaws if you don't have enough approval she is ready slain innocent mages because her supervisors tell her that. She is lawful good character whether she choose lawful side or good side depends on hawke.In end of the game if you choose mage side her life in kirkwall is over.

Hawke of course is pawn but he ultimately led to mage rebelion and chance to change mages life one can argue that Anders did that but whitout hawke anders would be far away or dead because hawke status protect him.So pro mage hawke is now symbol of freedom for mages.

I wouldnt call her a lawful character. She allows my character to steal, provoke a war against the Quanri, which lead to the dead of a certain ruler. And she refuses to jail my hawke character for murder.

She is as currupted as her previous boss.

Well many lawful characters in RPG allow steal even alistair unless i do something wrong in his eyes but still that she have no obcjection when we kill somone innocent i blame devs for that. She have problems when Hawke tries do something unlawful like allowing sell poison or leting mage go be free.

[Bionuts]

Isn't Aveline the most corrupt guard .. in like EVER?!

She covers up for a criminal (Varric), a mass murderer (Hawke), an abomination (Anders)...

[Lord Raijin]

TheKomandorShepard, Bionuts explained it well.In fact what shes been doing was far worst then her previous captain did.

The fact that she as guard captain had the obligation to not only report Anders to the Templars, but also arrest him and take him to the gallows, and yet she refused to. She even admitted that she turned many mages over to the Templars, but not Anders... oh no! Not the one true possessed mage who poses the ultimate risk to the Chantry (I'm not a big fan of it, but that doesn't give Anders the right to do what he did) and to the city itself.

At the end of the ACT 3 It was largely Avelines fault for preventing this chaos from ever happening.

[TribolMan]

Never liked Aveline much so I wouldnt mind if she died but if she is in DAI she is probably going to be alive

[KENNY4753]

Thinking about it Aveline is really corrupt and makes bad choices...allows a blood mage to roam free, an abomination walk free, she lets Varric get away with things, Hawke (can) do some pretty illegal crap, etc. She also gets it on with a guard in the Keep (wouldnrt that sort of be fraternization), among other things probably.

I like her character but she is no saint. If she dies though it wont be because she is the symbol of hope or whatever the OP said.

[ANGRYWOLF1]

I didn't think we knew the fate of hawke and the DA2 companions .
Players overanalyzing and trying to read their personal biases and beliefs into that silly trailer and declare those beliefs as facts constitutes one of the great fallicies of the game so far.

[Star fury]

Are you Seival's second account?

[ANGRYWOLF1]

Don't know him.

[MisanthropePrime]

AutumnWitch wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

(I know most of you will probably flame and hate this so I probably won’t reply to replies but I think if you really look at this you will see what I do.)

By posting it here and saying "I'm leaving" and then saying we shoukld agree to your ideas you are being rude and intelectually dishonest. If your ideas - by your own assertion - don't stand up to criticism, then I have no interest in reading them.

If you are not interested in honest debate, why not try, tumblr, a blog or fan fiction ? There you can write your opinions and ignore criticism. Here people expect a dialog.

I am a published writer but my agent discourages me from writing fan fiction. I was so inspired by DAO I wrote a novel based on what happened to my Warden after DAO but as its not canon my agent didn't even try to submit it to Bioware/EA for consideration. I have shared it with many of my friends though. It’s a hoot. We are in the process of changing all the specific DAO references so it can be printed under my publisher’s label. Just last week we got the cover art finally sorted.

Buddy, I'm an agent and editor. If you're a "published author" you should be beaten with a copy of Strunk and White until you're Strunk and Black and Blue.

[MisanthropePrime]

Filament wrote...

Wait a second...

This sounds familiar...

So... a vanity press. Thought so. You're as "published" an author as... well, as Jennifer Hepler.

[MisanthropePrime]

When I worked for a company that had some pretty major speculative fiction IPs, I'd often spend my lunches with a buddy of mine from legal trolling Amazon for poorly disguised fanfiction and toss out increasingly creative Cease and Desists.

[wolfhowwl]

Filament wrote...

Wait a second...

This sounds familiar...

Ah the story of Sten and his mighty "sword."

[ilikesocks]

Wow... that's...messed up. :/

[Am1vf]

I don't think that's her.

But let's see if a pic from LadyRedDarkness can bring us back to the topic:

Modifié par Am1_vf, 22 juillet 2013 - 05:12 .

[dragondreamer]

I like to think Aveline and Donnic went back to Ferelden and joined Anora's Queen's Guard.

[Marakov7]

I don't think Aveline was corrupt like the previous captain who willfully set up ambushes of his people as a way of earning a "little extra cash." However, I do think that she definitely suffered from a lack of intestinal fortitude and an inability to stand up for her supposed principles when it came to Hawke.

I think she should have been handled like Sebastian who absolutely refused to enter the Fade (greyed out at the character select screen), or like Isabela who bailed on the party whenever Hawke entered the Qunari compound. Whenever Hawke was going to go on a mission that was...questionable in her eyes, she should have refused. It only makes sense that she would have wanted to be briefed on what mission they were going on, if for no other reason than not wanting to sully her reputation as Captain of the Guard. It would get to the point where Hawke would know better (hopefully) than to even try to bring her along for those jobs.

As it was, she was a person who turned a blind eye to "shortcomings" of people she knew and pretended that their misdeeds never happened - I guess she figured that as long as the positives outweighed the negatives, it was all good. Not as bad as the previous captain, but definitely NOT a good captain in her own right.

Edit: One thing I forgot to mention, was there some really interesting thoughts provided earlier in the thread regarding Aveline that kind of spurred my thinking on the subject - hadn't really thought about it before.

Modifié par Marakov7, 22 juillet 2013 - 07:06 .