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[AutumnWitch]

[quote]MisanthropePrime wrote...

[quote]AutumnWitch wrote...

[quote]Melca36 wrote...

[quote]Renmiri1 wrote...

[quote]AutumnWitch wrote...

(I know most of you will probably flame and hate this so I probably won’t reply to replies but I think if you really look at this you will see what I do.)



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By posting it here and saying "I'm leaving" and then saying we shoukld agree to your ideas you are being rude and intelectually dishonest. If your ideas - by your own assertion - don't stand up to criticism, then I have no interest in reading them.

If you are not interested in honest debate, why not try, tumblr, a blog or fan fiction ? There you can write your opinions and ignore criticism. Here people expect a dialog.

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I am a published writer but my agent discourages me from writing fan fiction. I was so inspired by DAO I wrote a novel based on what happened to my Warden after DAO but as its not canon my agent didn't even try to submit it to Bioware/EA for consideration. I have shared it with many of my friends though. It’s a hoot. We are in the process of changing all the specific DAO references so it can be printed under my publisher’s label. Just last week we got the cover art finally sorted.


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Buddy, I'm an agent and editor. If you're a "published author" you should be beaten with a copy of Strunk and White until you're Strunk and Black and Blue.

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Mate do you really think I am going to invest time in writing something of an even mediocre calibre for a video game forum website?  Give me a break, someone asked for my opinion and I gave it to her. I also don't know anyone on this side of the pond that uses Strunk for more than a paper weight lol.....give me a break. I would like to quote David Ogilvy here just for you. "Our business is infested with idiots who try to impress by using pretentious jargon."  ROFL ....you are precious.

[AutumnWitch]

Zeldrik1389 wrote...

I guess I just blame the awful writing of DA 2 again lol But seriously, a lot of characters' actions in DA 2 didn't even make sense, or very one dimensional.

For instance, If Carver alive and join the Templar, why the heck didn't he report Anders? He said flat out he hates the guy, and he knew Anders' an abomination (I assume the whole group knows). As a freakin templar, his job is to catch mages ffs, yet he allowed a dangerous one running freely around for 5, 6 years. (=.=!) Mage Hawke didn't even bother to at least TRY to hide the fact that they are mage (running around with staff and robes, blowing thugs up left and right etc..) so it's not that turning Anders in will reveal Hawke's identity anyway.

Or in one of the banters between Anders and Aveline, he accuse her for telling on him because couple of templars were looking around darktown for him. Seriously? She was hiding his ass for years, and now suddenly she goes and reports him? Oh yeah, btw, she's a damn GUARD CAPTAIN. She can arrest him and turn him to the templar instead, what's the point of telling on him?? Why do you blame others while you yourself don't even know something as simple as "laying low"?? The stupidity of DA2 characters are just off the damn chart.

Anyway, on topic, I think Aveline will live, and maybe she will be a part of the Inquisition. She's quite idealistic, and keeping people safe seems to be her only priority so I think she will want to stop this war. We will see.

I never understood Carver either. I think both of them (his sister) were added just for the sake of added drama and not anything really significant.

[Magdalena11]

The whole Anders thing is too controversial. Whatever happens to Anders isn't what Aveline is about. Having said this, she's too boring to live. Let her fade into the shadows and be done with her.

[Lord Raijin]

AutumnWitch wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Isn't Aveline the most corrupt guard .. in like EVER?!

She covers up for a criminal (Varric), a mass murderer (Hawke), an abomination (Anders)...

yes she does BUT she honestly thinks the ends justify the means...she would never do something if she really didn't want to. She fears no one and she is no one's pawn. She even stood up to Wesley the person she loved more than anyone in the world. She is incapable of doing the wrong things. On purpose anyway.  (In my DA2 universe)

Wesley was too injured to assert himself to his wife. He gave in because he was in too much pain to argue back. I doubt he could be pushed into submissive by his manish wife. After all hes a big bad mage hunting Templar. Nobody could push them around, and I mean NOBODY!

[AutumnWitch]

Lord Raijin wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Isn't Aveline the most corrupt guard .. in like EVER?!

She covers up for a criminal (Varric), a mass murderer (Hawke), an abomination (Anders)...

yes she does BUT she honestly thinks the ends justify the means...she would never do something if she really didn't want to. She fears no one and she is no one's pawn. She even stood up to Wesley the person she loved more than anyone in the world. She is incapable of doing the wrong things. On purpose anyway.  (In my DA2 universe)

Wesley was too injured to assert himself to his wife. He gave in because he was in too much pain to argue back. I doubt he could be pushed into submissive by his manish wife. After all hes a big bad mage hunting Templar. Nobody could push them around, and I mean NOBODY!

I mean yes...of course...templars are great... whoot for templars! Of course he just let her win how silly of me..I mean lets be real the are the hammer of the Chantry right? (please don't tell them I was bad mouthing them, don't want to be dragged out and black bagged in he middle of the night ;-S

[Bionuts]

AutumnWitch wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Isn't Aveline the most corrupt guard .. in like EVER?!

She covers up for a criminal (Varric), a mass murderer (Hawke), an abomination (Anders)...

yes she does BUT she honestly thinks the ends justify the means...she would never do something if she really didn't want to. She fears no one and she is no one's pawn. She even stood up to Wesley the person she loved more than anyone in the world. She is incapable of doing the wrong things. On purpose anyway.  (In my DA2 universe)

1. Covering up for a mass murderer, crime lord, an abomination, and a blood mage have little to do with "end justifies the means".

2. She does have fears. And she is Varric's and Hawke's pawn. She covers up for their crimes, Hawke's murdering, etc.

3. Yes, she did.

4. Absurd. She is not perfect. She does do wrong. She is flawed like anyone else. I like Kool-Aid too.

[Angrywolves]

I liked Avaline.
Didn't like the DA2 romances.
Avaline doesn't deserve to die any more than any of the other DA2 characters do.
The tc is just being silly to put it politely.

[AutumnWitch]

Bionuts wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Isn't Aveline the most corrupt guard .. in like EVER?!

She covers up for a criminal (Varric), a mass murderer (Hawke), an abomination (Anders)...

yes she does BUT she honestly thinks the ends justify the means...she would never do something if she really didn't want to. She fears no one and she is no one's pawn. She even stood up to Wesley the person she loved more than anyone in the world. She is incapable of doing the wrong things. On purpose anyway.  (In my DA2 universe)

1. Covering up for a mass murderer, crime lord, an abomination, and a blood mage have little to do with "end justifies the means".

2. She does have fears. And she is Varric's and Hawke's pawn. She covers up for their crimes, Hawke's murdering, etc.

3. Yes, she did.

4. Absurd. She is not perfect. She does do wrong. She is flawed like anyone else. I like Kool-Aid too.

what ever gets you through the nite darling....its just supposition....you are playing too seriously ;-)

[Bionuts]

AutumnWitch wrote...
what ever gets you through the nite darling....its just supposition....you are playing too seriously ;-)

And here I was trying to find the rational behind a guard - who covers up for a serial killer, abomination, crime lord, and a blood mage - being the symbol of hope for DAU, "what ought to be", and a moral compass for upper class, civilized, humane beings.

To be honest, Thedas needs less people like her, Hawke, Varric, Anders, Isabela. .. All entertaining characters, but not role-models, in the least.

[iOnlySignIn]

Lord Raijin wrote...

What part of Anders being an Abomination don't you get?

I get it. So what? Has any laws been scientifically proven that says all Abominations are dangerous and must be contained?

Any mage who allows themselves to be posessed by either a demon or a spirit is now considered a high risk against the people of the city.

Why? What is the reason for that?

Justice no longer existence. Justice use to be a spirit now a demon... Vengeance.

I don't care about either concept. As far as I'm concerned they're just names, like "Hawke" or "Isabela".

If anyone with half a brain would realize that Anders poses a high risk, and it proved at the end of ACT 3.

It proved nothing. He didn't harm anyone that I care about at the end of Act 3.

You can thank Aveline for not arresting him earlier on.

Yes, I do thank her for that.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 23 juillet 2013 - 08:20 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

iOnlySignIn wrote...
It proved nothing. He didn't harm anyone that I care about at the end of Act 3.

This seems like an unfair criteria to fill to try to prove that something is dangerous.

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Why the f!ck should I care about the Veil tear, or anything that happens to Thedas?

It's a crapsack world as it is. I say let demons and spirits overrun it. It's likely to be an improvement over its current residents.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 23 juillet 2013 - 08:32 .

[Lord Raijin]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

What part of Anders being an Abomination don't you get?

I get it. So what? Has any laws been scientifically proven that says all Abominations are dangerous and must be contained?

Any mage who allows themselves to be posessed by either a demon or a spirit is now considered a high risk against the people of the city.

Why? What is the reason for that?

Justice no longer existence. Justice use to be a spirit now a demon... Vengeance.

I don't care about either concept. As far as I'm concerned they're just names, like "Hawke" or "Isabela".

If anyone with half a brain would realize that Anders poses a high risk, and it proved at the end of ACT 3.

It proved nothing. He didn't harm anyone that I care about at the end of Act 3.

You can thank Aveline for not arresting him earlier on.

Yes, I do thank her for that.

1. Scientifically proven? This isn't real life Were talking about a fictional game. No need to bring science involved in a fictional world because it's irrelvent. An addition do you even know what an Abomination is? If not go to http://dragonage.wik...iki/Abomination and read some lore about them before you start picturing them as innocent little flowers that can't hurt a fly. While you're at it go to the Templar Hall and go speak with Knight-Commander Meredith regarding to her past, and her sister.... better yet I've already done the portion of your homework http://youtu.be/JR8MZmzZ25k?t=1m45s Listen and heed.

2. "It proved nothing. He didn't harm anyone that I care about at the end of Act 3."  It proved that he was a psyhotic mage that needed to be executed or sent to the circle prison. Just because he didn't kill any of your love ones or care about doesn't make it right. While I do not fully agree with the Grand Cleric does not justiy Anders killing her PLUS babies and children that were being cared for in the Chantry... Oh yes The Chantry takes care of orphaned children... So your little Anders became a mass child murderer. I guess that means nothing to you because after all you don't know these children that became a victim of this Abomination. This proves my point that allowing abominations to run freely in the city is not such a good idea.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 23 juillet 2013 - 09:01 .

[Ieldra]

@OP:
I think you're reading too much into Aveline. Also, what she represents or not is a matter of interpretation and preference.

[Wulfram]

What crimes of Varric does Aveline cover up?

[Magdalena11]

As far as I know, Varric is a ****e-stirrer in a general sense but only in the tall tales dept. At one point Aveline denies him the chance to "steal ownership of the Hanged Man" and accuses him falsely of printing pornographic recruitment posters. He keeps Anders' clinic under protection and protects Merrill from herself, neither of which seem very criminal. He doesn't associate with the carta and avoids the merchants' guild like the plague so I always thought of him as more of a Robin Hood type character than a dangerous criminal.

[Star fury]

Wulfram wrote...

What crimes of Varric does Aveline cover up?

Calling Hawke mass murderer is one of the most bull**** things too. And I don't even like Hawke.

[IC-07]

TL;DR, but I agree, she must die. And Hawke. And Sebastian. Hell, almost everyone from DA2 must die.

[Bionuts]

Star fury wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

What crimes of Varric does Aveline cover up?

Calling Hawke mass murderer is one of the most bull**** things too. And I don't even like Hawke.

Hawke IS a mass murderer.

[Star fury]

Bionuts wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

What crimes of Varric does Aveline cover up?

Calling Hawke mass murderer is one of the most bull**** things too. And I don't even like Hawke.

Hawke IS a mass murderer.

Facepalm. Care to elaborate?

[Wulfram]

Star fury wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Hawke IS a mass murderer.

Facepalm. Care to elaborate?

Well, there are quite a few quests that would legally constitute murder.  Even if the people being killed are generally pretty nasty guys.

Hawke can be a pretty straightforward murderer.  Like killing Javaris Tintop.  Or some of the things you do for that mercenary guy.  Of course that wouldn't apply to all Hawkes, but Aveline doesn't report even the really nasty ones.

But, for some more commonly done examples, just because the guys Gamlen sold your house to are slavers, doesn't give you the legal right to kill them.  And Fenris' recruitment quest - you break into someones house in order to steal some lyrium on behalf of a smuggler and then kill the people who intervene.

Limiting to main quests, killing Templars who are attempting to carry out their duty by arresting Anders would probably be legally counted as murder.  The Tal-Vashoth you kill in Blackpowder Promise you don't really have a legal basis for doing so, even if they are bandits and murderers.

Modifié par Wulfram, 23 juillet 2013 - 12:42 .

[Big I]

Firstly, Aveline annoyed me by a) not choosing a side in the mage/templar debate, and yet having an opinion against both sides she expresses at every turn. If she's taken into the Fade and falls to Desire, she sees value in controlling mages, and as captain hands over some apostates to the templars. If she's taken to Meredith in Act 3 she questions Meredith's totalitarian tactics. You can't have it both ways, especially after seeing the problem for 6 or 7 years. Either you value mage freedom over "public safety" or vice versa.


Secondly, Aveline is massively corrupt, and it begins before Act 1. My Hawke was a smuggler who worked with Athenril to defraud the Kirkwall government of thousands of gold in customs duties. Aveline couldn't help but know that and yet maintains her relationship with the Hawkes, who are also harboring an apostate. She lets Merril, Anders and Mage Hawke live unmolested, lets Fenris illegaly squat in a mansion in Hightown, associates with known and suspected criminals (i.e. Isabella and Varric), and depending on game choices can be an accomplice to Hawke's acts of murder, theft, blood magic, and slavery. All this while being pledged to uphold the law.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I don't think Thedas, and the Free Marches in particular, have a quite as strict law enforcement, as some of us are used to. Still, what Hawke does is not technically murder, but more akin to manslaughter. Though Hawke can indeed also be a "mass-murderer". Not all Hawkes are though.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 23 juillet 2013 - 01:08 .

[Bionuts]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Firstly, Aveline annoyed me by a) not choosing a side in the mage/templar debate, and yet having an opinion against both sides she expresses at every turn. If she's taken into the Fade and falls to Desire, she sees value in controlling mages, and as captain hands over some apostates to the templars. If she's taken to Meredith in Act 3 she questions Meredith's totalitarian tactics. You can't have it both ways, especially after seeing the problem for 6 or 7 years. Either you value mage freedom over "public safety" or vice versa.


Secondly, Aveline is massively corrupt, and it begins before Act 1. My Hawke was a smuggler who worked with Athenril to defraud the Kirkwall government of thousands of gold in customs duties. Aveline couldn't help but know that and yet maintains her relationship with the Hawkes, who are also harboring an apostate. She lets Merril, Anders and Mage Hawke live unmolested, lets Fenris illegaly squat in a mansion in Hightown, associates with known and suspected criminals (i.e. Isabella and Varric), and depending on game choices can be an accomplice to Hawke's acts of murder, theft, blood magic, and slavery. All this while being pledged to uphold the law.

Too much truth.

Modifié par Bionuts, 23 juillet 2013 - 01:19 .

[Wulfram]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Firstly, Aveline annoyed me by a) not choosing a side in the mage/templar debate, and yet having an opinion against both sides she expresses at every turn. If she's taken into the Fade and falls to Desire, she sees value in controlling mages, and as captain hands over some apostates to the templars. If she's taken to Meredith in Act 3 she questions Meredith's totalitarian tactics. You can't have it both ways, especially after seeing the problem for 6 or 7 years. Either you value mage freedom over "public safety" or vice versa.

Aveline thinks that it's reasonable to limit mage's freedoms but thinks Meredith might be going too far.  I don't see the problem there.