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[Dextro Milk]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Origins is not his type of game (I think). He believes that doing what feels "morally right" should have the best outcome.

What?

What if people disagree about what "feels" morally right?  What if someone (correctly) declares that the very idea of moral feelings is absurd?

Too bad for you tbh

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Origins is not his type of game (I think). He believes that doing what feels "morally right" should have the best outcome.

What?

What if people disagree about what "feels" morally right?  What if someone (correctly) declares that the very idea of moral feelings is absurd?

I didn't make that quote, but that's David for you. That's all I'm going to say.

[Steelcan]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Origins is not his type of game (I think). He believes that doing what feels "morally right" should have the best outcome.

What?

What if people disagree about what "feels" morally right?  What if someone (correctly) declares that the very idea of moral feelings is absurd?

.  Thats why all the corrclect options in ME are conveniently located in the top right hand of the dialogue wheel.  No matter how stupid they are.

[David7204]

Anything can be justified under the guise and litany of 'everything is subjective.'

[Dextro Milk]

David7204 wrote...

Anything can be justified under the guise and litany of 'everything is subjective.'

David, have you ever played DA:O? 

[spirosz]

Dextro Milk wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Anything can be justified under the guise and litany of 'everything is subjective.'

David, have you ever played DA:O? 

He can read the wiki and basically be set. 

[The Elder King]

David7204 wrote...

Oh yes. Miranda is dishonest. Intentionally by the writers, I might add.

Also, enough of this "play DA:O" nonsense. This has nothing to do with morality. Just simple logic. Miranda has a flaw, and is weaker because of it. And thus never quite on the level of Shepard and some of the others.

it's an inevitability.

Every character in the ME IP has flaws.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Anything can be justified under the guise and litany of 'everything is subjective.'

Yes, they can be. That's why I don't believe in universal morality.

What, may I ask does this have to do with Dragon Age?

[Sylvius the Mad]

David7204 wrote...

Anything can be justified under the guise and litany of 'everything is subjective.'

Yes it can.  Did you intend that as an attack of subjectivity?  I suggest that it is an even more effective attack on the very concept of morality.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

spirosz wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Anything can be justified under the guise and litany of 'everything is subjective.'

David, have you ever played DA:O? 

He can read the wiki and basically be set. 

Better yet, he can go onto TV tropes and change the story there to suit what he thinks it should be.

[Volus Warlord]

I thought all the characters I liked were perfect, but thanks for setting me straight OP.

[AresKeith]

spirosz wrote...

Dextro Milk wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Anything can be justified under the guise and litany of 'everything is subjective.'

David, have you ever played DA:O? 

He can read the wiki and basically be set. 

Pffft, likes he's gonna do that

might as well watch an LP of it, much better

[David7204]

I wonder if I'm the only one grasping the very sad irony here. We have a group of people trying to argue that nothing is objective and that intellectual players think for themselves and disagree with the writers.

And how do they do that? By presenting a game written by someone else as evidence and truth.

Modifié par David7204, 23 juillet 2013 - 11:03 .

[David7204]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Anything can be justified under the guise and litany of 'everything is subjective.'

Yes it can.  Did you intend that as an attack of subjectivity?  I suggest that it is an even more effective attack on the very concept of morality.

I tell you what. What don't you save us all some time and lay our your little agenda for us all to hear? I'm sure you're just itching to...'enlighten' me.

[The Elder King]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Better yet, he can go onto TV tropes and change the story there to suit what he thinks it should be.

I don't get the problem with Origins, though. Two choices in two different main quest have the best outcome as the morally right choice. Is his problem about the two different endings in DAO?

[Dextro Milk]

David7204 wrote...

I wonder if I'm the only one grasping the very sad irony here. We have a group of people trying to argue that nothing is subjective and that intellectual players think for themselves and disagree with the writers.

And how do they do that? By presenting a game written by someone else as evidence and truth.

I'm sorry, but what are you talkign about? 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...
I wonder if I'm the only person grasping the sad irony here.

If you're the only person who is getting something, chances are that you're the only person who didn't actually get it.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 23 juillet 2013 - 11:09 .

[AresKeith]

hhh89 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Better yet, he can go onto TV tropes and change the story there to suit what he thinks it should be.

I don't get the problem with Origins, though. Two choices in two different main quest have the best outcome as the morally right choice. Is his problem about the two different endings in DAO?

He's never played the game though

[David7204]

hhh89 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Oh yes. Miranda is dishonest. Intentionally by the writers, I might add.

Also, enough of this "play DA:O" nonsense. This has nothing to do with morality. Just simple logic. Miranda has a flaw, and is weaker because of it. And thus never quite on the level of Shepard and some of the others.

it's an inevitability.

Every character in the ME IP has flaws.

Is that right? What 'flaws' are those?

[DarkKnightHolmes]

hhh89 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Oh yes. Miranda is dishonest. Intentionally by the writers, I might add.

Also, enough of this "play DA:O" nonsense. This has nothing to do with morality. Just simple logic. Miranda has a flaw, and is weaker because of it. And thus never quite on the level of Shepard and some of the others.

it's an inevitability.

Every character in the ME IP has flaws.

More like every character from every series has flaws.

[The Elder King]

David7204 wrote...


Is that right? What 'flaws' are those?

Should I list every character's flaws? It'd be better if you list the characters you thing are perfect or without flaws, and I respond to it. It'd take less time.

Modifié par hhh89, 23 juillet 2013 - 11:07 .

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Oh yes. Miranda is dishonest. Intentionally by the writers, I might add.

Also, enough of this "play DA:O" nonsense. This has nothing to do with morality. Just simple logic. Miranda has a flaw, and is weaker because of it. And thus never quite on the level of Shepard and some of the others.

it's an inevitability.

Every character in the ME IP has flaws.

Is that right? What 'flaws' are those?

Do we really need to answer that?  You basically answered it with Miranda up top.  As I can answer it with Jack, Shepard, Anderson, blah blah. 

[RedArmyShogun]

You don't say?

[David7204]

I answered it for Miranda because Miranda is flawed. But the others characters really aren't.

A flaw is a serious thing. When people discuss this, the complaints are nearly always just petty or silly. I've always very heavily disliked the idea that flaws make characters interesting.

Modifié par David7204, 23 juillet 2013 - 11:10 .

[Mr.House]

Has David played DAO yet?