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Just Because You Like a Character, Doesn't Mean They're Perfect.

Débuté par Bionuts , juil. 23 2013 12:44

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AresKeith
Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:11

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David7204 wrote...

I answered it for Miranda because Miranda is flawed. But the others characters really aren't.

A flaw is a serious thing. When people discuss this, the complaints are nearly always just petty or silly. I've always very heavily disliked the idea that flaws make characters interesting.


No it's not

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:11

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David7204 wrote...

I answered it for Miranda because Miranda is flawed. But the others characters really aren't.

A flaw is a serious thing. When people discuss this, the complaints are nearly always just petty or silly. I've always very heavily disliked the idea that flaws make characters interesting.


So you're arguing to the exclusion fallacy now. And making a general assumption fallacy, and a mind projection fallacy.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

And most importantly, you have no purpose in this thread.

Do I need to contact a moderator?

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 23 juillet 2013 - 11:12 .

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:12

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dreamgazer wrote...

Just because a character's perfect, doesn't mean you have to like 'em.


Liara's a good example of this. ;)

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:12

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David7204 wrote...

I answered it for Miranda because Miranda is flawed. But the others characters really aren't.

What... the... hell...

Are you serious?

#130
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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:13

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So Jack, Liara ect have no flaws? I WANT A REFUND. Bioware gave me the wrong game.

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:13

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Completely serious. The characters in Mass Effect are strong and brave and kind and honest and smart. What 'flaws' do they have?

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:13

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David7204 wrote...

I answered it for Miranda because Miranda is flawed. But the others characters really aren't.

A flaw is a serious thing. I've always very heavily disliked the idea that flaws make characters interesting.


You're assuming that is a thing that "stands" out for a character to interesting, which can be the case, you're right, but there are many which the flaws don't even make a person look twice.  A character can be interesting to somebody because they can relate to them or maybe the person enjoys someone who is a clown in a sense, a joker - Alistair, for example or someone who extremely smart, like Mordin, etc.  You can find all sorts of aspects to make a character interesting.  

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:14

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Let's start the ME character flaw train!

Garrus: Doesn't think for himself. Either makes his decisions based on what Shepard tells him to do, or to do the opposite of what someone else wants him to do.

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:15

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David7204 wrote...

Completely serious. The characters in Mass Effect are strong and brave and kind and honest and smart. What 'flaws' do they have?

Umm, I could give you the list, but that would be off topic. 

David, if you are seriously this ignorant, make a thread over in the ME forums, I dare you.

NO, I TRIPPLE BANNANANANA DOG DARE YOU.

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:15

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David7204 wrote...

Completely serious. The characters in Mass Effect are strong and brave and kind and honest and smart. What 'flaws' do they have?


Liara:Has cases of obsession which can lead to people being creeped out
Jack:Loves voilence too much and has alot of trust issues where she pushes people away
Garrus:Has issues with orders and tends to think with emotions first.

I can go on and on.

Modifié par Mr.House, 23 juillet 2013 - 11:16 .

#136
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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:15

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David7204 wrote...

Completely serious. The characters in Mass Effect are strong and brave and kind and honest and smart. What 'flaws' do they have?


Jack's defensive wall, not her fault obviously, but one can see that as a flaw.  

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:16

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David7204 wrote...

I answered it for Miranda because Miranda is flawed. But the others characters really aren't.

A flaw is a serious thing. When people discuss this, the complaints are nearly always just petty or silly. I've always very heavily disliked the idea that flaws make characters interesting.

"For such a smart man, professor, you always had difficulty recognizing data that clashed with your preconceptions. When will you accept that I'm here because I wish to be here?"

Flaw.

"Eh, Genophage, First Contact War, pretty much the same thing, right?"

Flaw.

Not everyone likes it when every character is the embodiment of some archetype or another.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 23 juillet 2013 - 11:20 .

#138
David7204
Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:16

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Being subservient is not a flaw. That's silly.

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:16

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Varric

Dislike:

I dislike the way he toys with my sexuality. That thrice damned sexy dwarf.

Garrus

Dislike:

I dislike the way he spends his time working and not enough time drinking with me.

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:16

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Dextro Milk wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Completely serious. The characters in Mass Effect are strong and brave and kind and honest and smart. What 'flaws' do they have?

Umm, I could give you the list, but that would be off topic. 

David, if you are seriously this ignorant, make a thread over in the ME forums, I dare you.

NO, I TRIPPLE BANNANANANA DOG DARE YOU.

Dat sh*t's hardcore, bananananana dog dares are srs stuff.

#141
The Hierophant
Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:17

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@House - nope

Modifié par The Hierophant, 23 juillet 2013 - 11:31 .

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:17

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David7204 wrote...

Completely serious. The characters in Mass Effect are strong and brave and kind and honest and smart. What 'flaws' do they have?


I consider kindness a flaw to a degree. They're all flawed to a degree. I consider bravery as something that can be ridiculously idiotic. They're even more flawed.

You're not defining strength and intelligence. Those are very broad. You aren't even defining the other two concepts either. 

You're not even making an argument.

And lastly, AGAIN:

Are you going to talk about Dragon Age, or shall I report you for spam (again)?

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:17

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David7204 wrote...

Being subservient is not a flaw. That's silly.


Garrus does this without thinking for himself at certain, important times.  

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:18

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David7204 wrote...

Being subservient is not a flaw. That's silly.


It is totally a flaw, especially when you're subservient because you're weak and non-thinking.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 23 juillet 2013 - 11:18 .

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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:18

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David7204 wrote...

Being subservient is not a flaw. That's silly.

You are acting silly tbh :lol:

lol

lolz

haha

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#146
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Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:19

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Being too much of anything is a flaw. Even good things are bad in excess.

Also...the only character (with decent character development) I'd argue WASN'T flawed in ME was...um...yeah...um...damn...um..CRAP.

Someone give me a character cause I can't think of a single one. :lol:

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 juillet 2013 - 11:20 .

#147
David7204
Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:19

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I didn't say every character. I probably wouldn't include Mordin on the list. As for Jack, yes, she absolutely has issues in ME 2.

No, being subservient is not a flaw. People should not vilified for making such a choice.

#148
AresKeith
Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:20

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David you should play DA:O, you might enjoy it

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Dextro Milk
Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:21

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AresKeith wrote...

David you should play DA:O, you might enjoy it

NAH, IT LACKS THE PARAGON "GOODIE TWO SHOES" WHEEL. HE can't think without it.

#150
AresKeith
Posté 23 juillet 2013 - 11:22

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David7204 wrote...

I didn't say every character. I probably wouldn't include Mordin on the list. As for Jack, yes, she absolutely has issues in ME 2.

No, being subservient is not a flaw. People should not vilified for making such a choice.


What characters do you think is perfect?
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