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[Redbelle]

levyjl1988 wrote...

 

Agree? Disagree?

Good.

Grief

Are those who voted pro ending so enamoured of what BW offered. That they will stand by it on the grounds of being satisfied because life does not alway's give us clear and distinct resolution's? And we shold all grow up and love this edgy grown up stuff?

Where is BioWares and the Pro sayer's inner child?

The kind of mindset supported in that vid, whereby art imitates life and life imitates art, is exactly what the video game industry argues against when some group stand up and credit's violent crime with playing video games.

There is a distinct seperation between the two!

One is a daily drudge of continuing one day at a time through life in search of meaning and enjoyment.

The other is supposed to be fun. Yet by this outcome, fun is apparently found in being true to the human condition.

This is exactly what I for one, play video games to get away from. For the sport. For the social aspects. For the enjoyment of experiencing a story that has, a beginning, a middle, and an end. With a R e s o l u t i o n!

Ask a marriage councellor, what is the reason couples can argue over the same thing for years? The answer is that the arguement occurs without a resolution. There is no end. No underscore.No  putting the issue to rest.

How many years has ME3's ending debate gone on for now?

ME3's ending did exactly that. Refused to resolve the experience of playing ME3 and the trilogy as a whole.

The one who put the question and got rejected in the video called it right. If this is what BW's writing aims at because it is what their consumer's want, then to continue..... enjoying? BW games, I'll have to enter with no expectation's and be pleasently surprised with what comes out of the experience. Which is a shame.

Because people apparently dismiss an obvious oversight as to the expectation's of ME3.

ME3's expectation's was built on the work they did creating ME1 and 2. They can do better. They have done better.

But that was when they made video games for video gamers. Not a game that forget's who it's audience is, how they react, and how to hit their buttons.

Games are more science than art. But a truely great game developer can turn that science into an art form.

Modifié par Redbelle, 24 juillet 2013 - 08:37 .

[Nole]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

"next time I'll know to expect less"

So much butthurt.

Does it please you that people were really disappointed by the ending to ME3 Eterna5? Does it warm your heart to know that the trilogy was ruined for me and many, many others? If so, **** you. If not, what point continually posting these pithy, pissy little one liners of yours?

Your tears sustain him.

[Iakus]

o Ventus wrote...

Wow, that video... That video hurt.

That was bad.

And it's probably exactly the kind of "feedback" Bioware looks for and listens to as well.

[dorktainian]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Yeah, actually I'd like to see a mod done where we can make fun of the ending.

actually not a bad idea, although youtube is full of spoofs already.

[NeonFlux117]

ME3- A great game that crashed, rolled 5 times, fell of a cliff, into the ocean, got ate by a blue whale, then pooped out, then washed up on a desert island, then died of dehydration. At the end.

I've never witnessed such a great game fail so hard the last 15 minutes of an otherwise amazing 100 hour plus journey. Shocking.

[N7 Shadow 90]

Disagree. ME3's ending had a larger emotional impact on me, than any ending to any story that I've ever experienced. For that, it's my favourite ending of all time.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Well "art" and "it's fine if you play an a**hole" defense did give me a chuckle, other than that my view remains unchanged, especially as this is strictly a review of the original cut and whether it made logical sense.

[Iakus]

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Disagree. ME3's ending had a larger emotional impact on me, than any ending to any story that I've ever experienced. For that, it's my favourite ending of all time.

YEah, ME3 had a large emotional impact on me as well.

But not the one Bioware probably wanted it to have. 

[dcal31]

iakus wrote...

AC3 doesn't pretend your choices made a difference.

In fairness, when the basic premise of the game is that you are reliving someone else's memories, your technically not making any choices. It's basically an interactive storybook. That being said, AC3 was by no means a bad game.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

dcal31 wrote...

iakus wrote...

AC3 doesn't pretend your choices made a difference.

In fairness, when the basic premise of the game is that you are reliving someone else's memories, your technically not making any choices. It's basically an interactive storybook. That being said, AC3 was by no means a bad game.

Assassin's Creed 3 is not a "bad game" it's just a terrible assassin's creed game.It doesn't feel like an Assassin's creed game.More like Pirates Creed

[Bourne Endeavor]

iakus wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Wow, that video... That video hurt.

That was bad.

And it's probably exactly the kind of "feedback" Bioware looks for and listens to as well.

I remain quite eager to see what comes of DA3 and ME4. Those two games will essentially make or break BioWare. They cannot afford either to be anything less than stellar. DA3 is attempting to challenge the Elder Scrolls series and ME looks more and more likely to be their Halo equivalent. BioWare has some enormous competition if they intend to rival those games.

[AlanC9]

Redbelle wrote...

Where is BioWares and the Pro sayer's inner child?

Don't have one. Not sure I ever did.

[AlanC9]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
I remain quite eager to see what comes of DA3 and ME4. Those two games will essentially make or break BioWare. They cannot afford either to be anything less than stellar. DA3 is attempting to challenge the Elder Scrolls series and ME looks more and more likely to be their Halo equivalent. BioWare has some enormous competition if they intend to rival those games.

ME3 was solidly profitable, DA2 made less money but was kinda cheap. Why is Bio in trouble?

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
I remain quite eager to see what comes of DA3 and ME4. Those two games will essentially make or break BioWare. They cannot afford either to be anything less than stellar. DA3 is attempting to challenge the Elder Scrolls series and ME looks more and more likely to be their Halo equivalent. BioWare has some enormous competition if they intend to rival those games.

ME3 was solidly profitable, DA2 made less money but was kinda cheap. Why is Bio in trouble?

ME3 was financially successful.  But they seriously cashed in on goodwill riding the coattails of their previous successes.  You can only do that for so long.  Trust is a currency that's hard to earn and easily spent.

In the future, people are going to be a lot more cautious.

[Hadeedak]

Like I said at the time, and I stand by it....

The original endings were not terrible. They just weren't good. At all. But the rest of the game was good, so I kind of took my lumps.

With Extended Cut, they're pretty all right, and I'm happy.

[MageTarot]

AlanC9 wrote...

ME3 was solidly profitable, DA2 made less money but was kinda cheap. Why is Bio in trouble?

I'm gonna say SWTOR figures into the equation somewhere.

[Bourne Endeavor]

AlanC9 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
I remain quite eager to see what comes of DA3 and ME4. Those two games will essentially make or break BioWare. They cannot afford either to be anything less than stellar. DA3 is attempting to challenge the Elder Scrolls series and ME looks more and more likely to be their Halo equivalent. BioWare has some enormous competition if they intend to rival those games.

ME3 was solidly profitable, DA2 made less money but was kinda cheap. Why is Bio in trouble?

Statistics a while back had DAO outselling DA2 by double. Regardless, the circumstances have differed significantly. BioWare had the amour of the fanbase, who eagerly anticipated ME3. Now you have cautious buyers. While I doubt BioWare suddenly goes belly up regardless of ME4 or DA3's success, or lack thereof. It only further digs them into a hole should it be the latter.

I need only point to Final Fantasy to show a series struggling to live up to its predecessors.

[FlamingBoy]

RiouHotaru wrote...

To be honest, expecting less is a better idea. Because people expected too much.

The endings of me3 are bare minimium effort, I think expecting more than that atrocity is not that much of a stretch.

[FlamingBoy]

chemiclord wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

The video kind of shows the disconnect between idelogy in terms of being pro-developer or pro-consumer in the industry, they didn't use the buzzwords such as entitlement or vocal minority but some of these guys got pretty close to the terms.

I guess I really don't see the mutual disconnect that others do.  Personally, I fully agree that a developer can (and should) have the right to tell a story how they damn well see fit, and if players don't like it... too bad.  You stop supporting that developer if you don't like what they are providing.  That's the exchange.

But at the same time, I cringe whenever a developer or critic uses those buzzwords as a attempt to shield themselves from criticism.  "You don't like it?  Well, that's just because you don't UNDERSTAND it.  It's art, you filthy plebe."  Just because you created something doesn't mean it's good, and if it isn't, your customers are GOING to let you know.  Yes, some of them are going to cross the line from critique to abuse, but that's something a creator should know going in, and that's something you just have to learn to brush off and ignore.

In any case, the whole video games are art put forth by rivas is not really relevant to the question put forth by the video.

It only serves to distract from actually defending the ending.

[Cainhurst Crow]

It's been over a year now since the endings came out, can we let the discussion and these forums just die already?

[o Ventus]

Hadeedak wrote...


The original endings were not terrible.

Yes they were.

[KaiserShep]

Hadeedak wrote...

Like I said at the time, and I stand by it....

The original endings were not terrible. They just weren't good. At all. But the rest of the game was good, so I kind of took my lumps.

With Extended Cut, they're pretty all right, and I'm happy.

I can overlook quite a lot if I like the game enough, but the original endings were kind of a big WTF with how vague they were. It was galactic dark age, and 2 out of 3 choices with the reapers just flying away with no further explanation.