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[Cainhurst Crow]

Personally I always think that majority on the internet =/= majority in real life. As indicated by the ron paul phenomena. Judging by the internet's standards, ron paul should be the nominee for the republicans every time he runs. And yet he isn't, not even close, he doesn't even get a half-way towards the majority vote. The internet is great and a lot of people are on it, but not more than the amount of people who aren't on the internet.

Also even than the number of mass effect fans probably don't even make up much of EA's revenue, those would be their sports games to be perfectly honest. Too bad they managed to ****** them off to with crappy, buggy, games.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Seboist wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Official DJ Harbinger wrote...

I wonder how many of the people from GameTrailers who "disagreed" were being paid from EAWare, or maybe they're just stupid.

It does make you wonder... given the timing of it all...


Why didn't Gametrailers address the endings in their original review of the game?  Where did their standards go for coherent storytelling and logical narratives?

ME3's ending did not have a logical narrative or a coherent story... this is not debatable.  We've tried for months, it's just not there.  If having an inconsistent, plot-hole-ridden, lore-breaking ending is something to be considered "terrible," then ME3's ending was terrible.  That's a fact.

"The Journey" and "Artistic Integrity" have nothing to do with it.  Why do writers normally make multiple drafts?  Because artistic integrity does not excuse bad writing or corner-cutting.

And all of us know that Bioware is better than that

They gave ME2 a 9.7 which was a mediocre cover shooter with one of the most illogical and incoherent story or narrative in any game told with a straight face.

So, I don't see why they'd start complaining about a lack of a decent narrative or story now.

Because regardless of how you viewed ME2, ME3's ending was far worse. 


Also, if the ending wasn't that bad... honestly, GT would not have had a reason to revisit it.  The fact alone that this is a thing GT has decided to talk about speaks volumes about how bad ME3's ending truly was.

[Erez Kristal]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Wow, haters can't simply accept the fact that they may be the vocal minority.

There's nothing to indicate that "haters" are the minority.

93 Metacritic and almost 5 million in sales....such a backlash.

1. The user rating on Metacritic is a measly 4.8, what was your point again?

2. The haters would've had to buy the game in order to dislike it, you numpty.

pretty much this

[Erez Kristal]

Seboist wrote...


They gave ME2 a 9.7 which was a mediocre cover shooter with one of the most illogical and incoherent story or narrative in any game told with a straight face.

So, I don't see why they'd start complaining about a lack of a decent narrative or story now.

we get seboist that you didnt like me2. but most of those who played it loved it excatly for those reasons.
The story and narrative immersed you in the world and made you care more for the cover shooting.

There is a lot of shooting in far cry 2. but i didnt care for any of it which is why i stopped playing after two hours and never looked back.
Bad company 2 has a lot of decent shooting, but i cant feel immersed in the story like in me2. which is why i played it for two hours and never looked back.

There is a pattern here.

[Erez Kristal]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Personally I always think that majority on the internet =/= majority in real life. As indicated by the ron paul phenomena. Judging by the internet's standards, ron paul should be the nominee for the republicans every time he runs. And yet he isn't, not even close, he doesn't even get a half-way towards the majority vote. The internet is great and a lot of people are on it, but not more than the amount of people who aren't on the internet.

Also even than the number of mass effect fans probably don't even make up much of EA's revenue, those would be their sports games to be perfectly honest. Too bad they managed to ****** them off to with crappy, buggy, games.

its a false example. 
Computer gamers use the internet a lot, which is why they make a better sample group for the general opinion of a game.
Unlike politic votes who need to repesent a larger portion of the population and would require a different sample group then you would find on the internet.

[dreamgazer]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Also, if the ending wasn't that bad... honestly, GT would not have had a reason to revisit it.  The fact alone that this is a thing GT has decided to talk about speaks volumes about how bad ME3's ending truly was.

Nah.  Controversial is controversial, whether it's "that bad" or not.  

A slow news day/week and a desire to pick at old wounds, perhaps for web traffic, led to making that video.

[Cainhurst Crow]

erezike wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Personally I always think that majority on the internet =/= majority in real life. As indicated by the ron paul phenomena. Judging by the internet's standards, ron paul should be the nominee for the republicans every time he runs. And yet he isn't, not even close, he doesn't even get a half-way towards the majority vote. The internet is great and a lot of people are on it, but not more than the amount of people who aren't on the internet.

Also even than the number of mass effect fans probably don't even make up much of EA's revenue, those would be their sports games to be perfectly honest. Too bad they managed to ****** them off to with crappy, buggy, games.

its a false example. 
Computer gamers use the internet a lot, which is why they make a better sample group for the general opinion of a game.
Unlike politic votes who need to repesent a larger portion of the population and would require a different sample group then you would find on the internet.

So the internet majority is the majority becuase gamers like to use the internet. How compelling.

Next you'll tell me bioware games make up the backbone of EA's revenue.

[Erez Kristal]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

erezike wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Personally I always think that majority on the internet =/= majority in real life. As indicated by the ron paul phenomena. Judging by the internet's standards, ron paul should be the nominee for the republicans every time he runs. And yet he isn't, not even close, he doesn't even get a half-way towards the majority vote. The internet is great and a lot of people are on it, but not more than the amount of people who aren't on the internet.

Also even than the number of mass effect fans probably don't even make up much of EA's revenue, those would be their sports games to be perfectly honest. Too bad they managed to ****** them off to with crappy, buggy, games.

its a false example. 
Computer gamers use the internet a lot, which is why they make a better sample group for the general opinion of a game.
Unlike politic votes who need to repesent a larger portion of the population and would require a different sample group then you would find on the internet.

So the internet majority is the majority becuase gamers like to use the internet. How compelling.

Next you'll tell me bioware games make up the backbone of EA's revenue.

Its not just that, and waving away this argument wouldnt help you to prove your case

if the voters are between the age range of 18-80 and split into two main groups
18-40 mostly support ron paul. and 40-80 mostly support the other cannidates. 
if 18-40 use the interenet more than 40-80 their support will be shown better on the interenet.

if the mass effect game population is mostly 15-40 and the people who spend reviewing games are mostly 18-40 
then you have more chances for correlation. moreso. if the majoriy of the people who play mass effect also use the internet on a reuglar base and the majority of the voters use the internet less.
Then there is also more chances for correlation between the gamer reviews to the actual opinion.

Now i dont about the statistics supporting ron paul. but the me2 statistics have a huge sample on all boards and are showing and clear pattern

[ShepnTali]

Internet, seems to me, is becoming more and more of a standard pulse on things. That's something I can't deny. There may be a lot of ME3 celabratory fansites out there. I don't know.

[Cainhurst Crow]

erezike wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

erezike wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Personally I always think that majority on the internet =/= majority in real life. As indicated by the ron paul phenomena. Judging by the internet's standards, ron paul should be the nominee for the republicans every time he runs. And yet he isn't, not even close, he doesn't even get a half-way towards the majority vote. The internet is great and a lot of people are on it, but not more than the amount of people who aren't on the internet.

Also even than the number of mass effect fans probably don't even make up much of EA's revenue, those would be their sports games to be perfectly honest. Too bad they managed to ****** them off to with crappy, buggy, games.

its a false example. 
Computer gamers use the internet a lot, which is why they make a better sample group for the general opinion of a game.
Unlike politic votes who need to repesent a larger portion of the population and would require a different sample group then you would find on the internet.

So the internet majority is the majority becuase gamers like to use the internet. How compelling.

Next you'll tell me bioware games make up the backbone of EA's revenue.

Its not just that, and waving away this argument wouldnt help you to prove your case

if the voters are between the age range of 18-80 and split into two main groups
18-40 mostly support ron paul. and 40-80 mostly support the other cannidates. 
if 18-40 use the interenet more than 40-80 their support will be shown better on the interenet.

if the mass effect game population is mostly 15-40 and the people who spend reviewing games are mostly 18-40 
then you have more chances for correlation. moreso. if the majoriy of the people who play mass effect also use the internet on a reuglar base and the majority of the voters use the internet less.
Then there is also more chances for correlation between the gamer reviews to the actual opinion.

Now i dont about the statistics supporting ron paul. but the me2 statistics have a huge sample on all boards and are showing and clear pattern

That is a good case I suppose, though I don't know how many of the millions of people who bought mass effect 3 were mad enough to want to take action or be active in their opposition of bioware. Still, your point does stand, and since I cannot prove otherwise and am too lazy to really care to pull up numbers, I consede that a majority of fans probably didn't like mass effect 3, even if I feel the indifference crowd outnumbers them in real life.

[ShepnTali]

^ I agree with the indifference segment probably being the ultimate majority.

[dreamgazer]

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.

ShepnTali wrote...

^ I agree with the indifference segment probably being the ultimate majority.

Yup.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 25 juillet 2013 - 11:42 .

[Erez Kristal]

ShepnTali wrote...

^ I agree with the indifference segment probably being the ultimate majority.

i also think that the indifference are the majority.
But even if the indifference are the majority these user reviews still present a good case.
Because you get to compare them to other games.

[AlanC9]

erezike wrote...
its a false example. 
Computer gamers use the internet a lot, which is why they make a better sample group for the general opinion of a game.
Unlike politic votes who need to repesent a larger portion of the population and would require a different sample group then you would find on the internet.

"Sample group" shouldn't be used here. We're  talking about a self-selected portion of the player base, not any kind of sample. 

[Tron Mega]

Eterna5 wrote...

"next time I'll know to expect less"

So much butthurt.

what if i told myself exactly that after being dissapointed with ME2.

is it possible to be butthurt in the same way twice?

me, yes, ive learned what to do when i see biowares label on a video game.

pass.

[txgoldrush]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Wow, haters can't simply accept the fact that they may be the vocal minority.

There's nothing to indicate that "haters" are the minority.

93 Metacritic and almost 5 million in sales....such a backlash.

1. The user rating on Metacritic is a measly 4.8, what was your point again?

2. The haters would've had to buy the game in order to dislike it, you numpty.

1. Metacritic user rating is not reliable, hell, a person who doesn't have the game can score the game.

2. No they don't, they can rent it, borrow from a friend, etc.

[txgoldrush]

Tell me haters...how does ME3 just about sell 5 million copies while a game like DA2 only sells half of what DAO got?

How does ME3 get a 93 critic average while DA2 lands in the low 80's?

Maybe because a lot of people
A) Liked the ending of the game or are indifferent about it.
Didn't like the ending but liked the rest of the game. There are some 9 out of 10 critics reviews that didn't care for the ending.

Face facts, ME3 isn't a failure....and you can't change history to make it one.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

dreamgazer wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Also, if the ending wasn't that bad... honestly, GT would not have had a reason to revisit it.  The fact alone that this is a thing GT has decided to talk about speaks volumes about how bad ME3's ending truly was.

Nah.  Controversial is controversial, whether it's "that bad" or not.  

A slow news day/week and a desire to pick at old wounds, perhaps for web traffic, led to making that video.

Not this kind of "controversy"

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 26 juillet 2013 - 01:25 .

[Tron Mega]

txgoldrush wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Wow, haters can't simply accept the fact that they may be the vocal minority.

There's nothing to indicate that "haters" are the minority.

93 Metacritic and almost 5 million in sales....such a backlash.

1. The user rating on Metacritic is a measly 4.8, what was your point again?

2. The haters would've had to buy the game in order to dislike it, you numpty.

1. Metacritic user rating is not reliable, hell, a person who doesn't have the game can score the game.

2. No they don't, they can rent it, borrow from a friend, etc.

1. other then reveiwers who get paid, i like relying on people who dont get paid too. mostly because i htink those that get paid, get paid by developers in some cases. via ads, or whatever, not under the table money swaps. as a amtter of fact id like to be able to sort the games on metacritic by fans ratings not just reveiwers ratings.

2. i preordered the CE of ME3 and i HATE ME2. thats how much faith and hope i put into bioware not screwing up ME3. how is screwing up ME3 even possible. i might as well buy the CE becasue its gotta be awesome, right? like, no way ME3 will be bad......right?!?!?!?!

[Mr. Gogeta34]

txgoldrush wrote...

Tell me haters...how does ME3 just about sell 5 million copies while a game like DA2 only sells half of what DAO got?

How does ME3 get a 93 critic average while DA2 lands in the low 80's?

Maybe because a lot of people
A) Liked the ending of the game or are indifferent about it.
Didn't like the ending but liked the rest of the game. There are some 9 out of 10 critics reviews that didn't care for the ending.

Face facts, ME3 isn't a failure....and you can't change history to make it one.

Its ending is a failure.  The game is not.  The majority of ending haters would even admit that.

[o Ventus]

txgoldrush wrote...

Tell me haters...how does ME3 just about sell 5 million copies while a game like DA2 only sells half of what DAO got?

How does ME3 get a 93 critic average while DA2 lands in the low 80's?

Maybe because a lot of people
A) Liked the ending of the game or are indifferent about it.
Didn't like the ending but liked the rest of the game. There are some 9 out of 10 critics reviews that didn't care for the ending.

Face facts, ME3 isn't a failure....and you can't change history to make it one.

High sales doesn't automatically translate into a good game. Look at Modern Warfare 2 and 3.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

txgoldrush wrote...

Tell me haters...how does ME3 just about sell 5 million copies while a game like DA2 only sells half of what DAO got?

How does ME3 get a 93 critic average while DA2 lands in the low 80's?

Maybe because a lot of people
A) Liked the ending of the game or are indifferent about it.
Didn't like the ending but liked the rest of the game. There are some 9 out of 10 critics reviews that didn't care for the ending.

Face facts, ME3 isn't a failure....and you can't change history to make it one.

Overhype perhaps? I bought the game before I played it, like most people. By the time I was pissed and raging, I had already bought the game. The number had already gone to BW. 

Improper and irrelevant conclusions for everything, stemming from an irrelevant comparison. You're trying to link things that are only tangenitally related. This point has no purpose. That said, it's really easy to overhype a game.

Why is the score on Amazon so much lower than GameFaqs or IGN?

I trust what other gamers and fans say about something far more than I do trust anything by some professional critic.

I trust the mass of users who say something is not good is a lot better than the one guy who works for a company who says that something is good.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Tell me haters...how does ME3 just about sell 5 million copies while a game like DA2 only sells half of what DAO got?

How does ME3 get a 93 critic average while DA2 lands in the low 80's?

Maybe because a lot of people
A) Liked the ending of the game or are indifferent about it.
Didn't like the ending but liked the rest of the game. There are some 9 out of 10 critics reviews that didn't care for the ending.

Face facts, ME3 isn't a failure....and you can't change history to make it one.

Its ending is a failure.  The game is not.  The majority of ending haters would even admit that.

I know a lot of people, myself included, who can put up a strong argument of how the game... doesn't necessarily fail, but it definitely falls short and is disappointing.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

txgoldrush wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Wow, haters can't simply accept the fact that they may be the vocal minority.

There's nothing to indicate that "haters" are the minority.

93 Metacritic and almost 5 million in sales....such a backlash.

1. The user rating on Metacritic is a measly 4.8, what was your point again?

2. The haters would've had to buy the game in order to dislike it, you numpty.

1. Metacritic user rating is not reliable, hell, a person who doesn't have the game can score the game.

2. No they don't, they can rent it, borrow from a friend, etc.

You moved the goalposts and are disregarding evidence that completely counters your argument in both cases.

You're essentially saying that the vast majority people should do what only the vast minority actually did do. You're using a fallacious, uncredible and unqualified statement to try to boost your position.

You've just lost your argument by default.

[AresKeith]

txgoldrush wrote...

Tell me haters...how does ME3 just about sell 5 million copies while a game like DA2 only sells half of what DAO got?

How does ME3 get a 93 critic average while DA2 lands in the low 80's?

Maybe because a lot of people
A) Liked the ending of the game or are indifferent about it.
Didn't like the ending but liked the rest of the game. There are some 9 out of 10 critics reviews that didn't care for the ending.

Face facts, ME3 isn't a failure....and you can't change history to make it one.

When your finishing having your head in a certain place

As someone already told you, people who are disappointed in ME3 still bought the game 

You also forgot to take into consideration that some people never even finished the SP and/or just bought the game for the MP only

ME3 being a failure or not will always be subjective around the fans/consumers, and your little arrogant post won't change that either

And I'm willing to bet somewhere later on your gonna bash another random game