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[Mr. Gogeta34]

It's a known fact that some reviewers don't even finish the game before submitting their review.

[txgoldrush]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Wow, haters can't simply accept the fact that they may be the vocal minority.

There's nothing to indicate that "haters" are the minority.

93 Metacritic and almost 5 million in sales....such a backlash.

1. The user rating on Metacritic is a measly 4.8, what was your point again?

2. The haters would've had to buy the game in order to dislike it, you numpty.

1. Metacritic user rating is not reliable, hell, a person who doesn't have the game can score the game.

2. No they don't, they can rent it, borrow from a friend, etc.

You moved the goalposts and are disregarding evidence that completely counters your argument in both cases.

You're essentially saying that the vast majority people should do what only the vast minority actually did do. You're using a fallacious, uncredible and unqualified statement to try to boost your position.

You've just lost your argument by default.

Wrong

The fact is that you don't have to buy the game to play it. Its your argument that is false.

And when did I even apply that people should do something in regards to how to acquire the game? Did I even make that argument?

No I didn't

[txgoldrush]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

It's a known fact that some reviewers don't even finish the game before submitting their review.

But most reviewers have.

Tell me, of the 7 Gametrailers editors, why only two did not like the end, and only one passionately?

[chemiclord]

We're still fighting over the minority/majority thing, are we?

[AresKeith]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

It's a known fact that some reviewers don't even finish the game before submitting their review.

It is also a known fact that some people bought the game just for the MP and never touched the SP

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

It's a known fact that some reviewers don't even finish the game before submitting their review.

That's absolutely true. 

It's why I don't listen to professional reviewers that are being paid to review a game. They want to collect their paycheck, not actually get involved or care about a game.

It's not true in every circumstance, or even most circumstances, but there's more of a detached feel that a reviewer has when he plays. 

[ShepnTali]

Forum behavior aside, the backlash was generally a backdoor compliment to Bioware. As I think someone from Bioware said, they like the passion. Indifference isn't what they are looking for.

[txgoldrush]

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Tell me haters...how does ME3 just about sell 5 million copies while a game like DA2 only sells half of what DAO got?

How does ME3 get a 93 critic average while DA2 lands in the low 80's?

Maybe because a lot of people
A) Liked the ending of the game or are indifferent about it.
Didn't like the ending but liked the rest of the game. There are some 9 out of 10 critics reviews that didn't care for the ending.

Face facts, ME3 isn't a failure....and you can't change history to make it one.

High sales doesn't automatically translate into a good game. Look at Modern Warfare 2 and 3.

Did, they are good games (on the multiplayer side), despite what haters say.

Once again another internet vocal minority...COD haters.

[AresKeith]

chemiclord wrote...

We're still fighting over the minority/majority thing, are we?

Nope, just Txgoldrush on his usual BS

[txgoldrush]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

It's a known fact that some reviewers don't even finish the game before submitting their review.

That's absolutely true. 

It's why I don't listen to professional reviewers that are being paid to review a game. They want to collect their paycheck, not actually get involved or care about a game.

It's not true in every circumstance, or even most circumstances, but there's more of a detached feel that a reviewer has when he plays. 

And user reviews are better?...many didn't even play or finish the game either.

[txgoldrush]

AresKeith wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

We're still fighting over the minority/majority thing, are we?

Nope, just Txgoldrush on his usual BS

or perhaps its ignorant anti ender BS.

[dreamgazer]

chemiclord wrote...

We're still fighting over the minority/majority thing, are we?

The minority are. The vast majority no longer give a cluck.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

txgoldrush wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Wow, haters can't simply accept the fact that they may be the vocal minority.

There's nothing to indicate that "haters" are the minority.

93 Metacritic and almost 5 million in sales....such a backlash.

1. The user rating on Metacritic is a measly 4.8, what was your point again?

2. The haters would've had to buy the game in order to dislike it, you numpty.

1. Metacritic user rating is not reliable, hell, a person who doesn't have the game can score the game.

2. No they don't, they can rent it, borrow from a friend, etc.

You moved the goalposts and are disregarding evidence that completely counters your argument in both cases.

You're essentially saying that the vast majority people should do what only the vast minority actually did do. You're using a fallacious, uncredible and unqualified statement to try to boost your position.

You've just lost your argument by default.

Wrong

The fact is that you don't have to buy the game to play it. Its your argument that is false.

And when did I even apply that people should do something in regards to how to acquire the game? Did I even make that argument?

No I didn't

That's not a false argument. You're saying that since people don't have to buy a game to play it, they must always rent the game, love it, and then buy it. That's how your message is coming across. It's pretty erroneous.

And I'm not even saying whether I'm agreeing with you or not. I'm neutrally, and casually, observing flaws in your argument. I'm telling you to shore up your argument. You're disregarding other perspectives and evidence because you don't agree with it. That's a compositional failure on the argument you're making. It's failed.

You literally just made the argument you're now denying.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

txgoldrush wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

It's a known fact that some reviewers don't even finish the game before submitting their review.

But most reviewers have.

Tell me, of the 7 Gametrailers editors, why only two did not like the end, and only one passionately?

Of the 7 Gametrailer editors, 2 payed attention while the others enjoyed "the journey" and more or less ignored the topic of the ending itself.  Another was basically like this:

//ME3 end credits

Reviewer:  ... so Shepard saved the galaxy?  Cool.   //turns off game.

[The Night Mammoth]

txgoldrush wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

We're still fighting over the minority/majority thing, are we?

Nope, just Txgoldrush on his usual BS

or perhaps its ignorant anti ender BS.

Hmm, no, it's definitely the usual txgoldrush BS, from what I can see. 

[AresKeith]

txgoldrush wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

We're still fighting over the minority/majority thing, are we?

Nope, just Txgoldrush on his usual BS

or perhaps its ignorant anti ender BS.

Assuming that any of them even mentioned it, which no one did except you 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

txgoldrush wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

We're still fighting over the minority/majority thing, are we?

Nope, just Txgoldrush on his usual BS

or perhaps its ignorant anti ender BS.

Disregarding opinions is BS. You're doing it right now because you don't agree with them. 

Everything you say is BS in doing so.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

ShepnTali wrote...

Forum behavior aside, the backlash was generally a backdoor compliment to Bioware. As I think someone from Bioware said, they like the passion. Indifference isn't what they are looking for.

It's true. We wouldn't have gotten so worked up over their creation if we didn't have such passion for it. 

[Mr. Gogeta34]

"pro ender BS" is more appropriate

What does "the journey" or "artistic integrity" have to do with a coherent/logical ending? To the majority of gametrailer reviewers... apparently it had everything to do with it, lol.

[o Ventus]

txgoldrush wrote...

Did, they are good games (on the multiplayer side), despite what haters say.

Yeah, when MW2 was still relevant, people did nothing but Javelin glitch, spam One Man Army/Danger Close grenade launchers, dual wield Model 1887's, and SPAS-12 rush. What a good game to have so many broken, abusable "tactics".

Once again another internet vocal minority...COD haters.

I'm not a COD hater. I only hate the bad CODs. The Treyarch CODs are greatly enjoyable.

[txgoldrush]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

It's a known fact that some reviewers don't even finish the game before submitting their review.

But most reviewers have.

Tell me, of the 7 Gametrailers editors, why only two did not like the end, and only one passionately?

Of the 7 Gametrailer editors, 2 payed attention while the others enjoyed "the journey" and more or less ignored the topic of the ending itself.  Another was basically like this:

//ME3 end credits

Reviewer:  ... so Shepard saved the galaxy?  Cool.   //turns off game.

so lets disregard their opinions...yeah

And what if they did find it logical? Some of them did.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

txgoldrush wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

It's a known fact that some reviewers don't even finish the game before submitting their review.

But most reviewers have.

Tell me, of the 7 Gametrailers editors, why only two did not like the end, and only one passionately?

Of the 7 Gametrailer editors, 2 payed attention while the others enjoyed "the journey" and more or less ignored the topic of the ending itself.  Another was basically like this:

//ME3 end credits

Reviewer:  ... so Shepard saved the galaxy?  Cool.   //turns off game.

so lets disregard their opinions...yeah

And what if they did find it logical? Some of them did.

Which you've already done.

Explain how it's logical. 

[txgoldrush]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Wow, haters can't simply accept the fact that they may be the vocal minority.

There's nothing to indicate that "haters" are the minority.

93 Metacritic and almost 5 million in sales....such a backlash.

1. The user rating on Metacritic is a measly 4.8, what was your point again?

2. The haters would've had to buy the game in order to dislike it, you numpty.

1. Metacritic user rating is not reliable, hell, a person who doesn't have the game can score the game.

2. No they don't, they can rent it, borrow from a friend, etc.

You moved the goalposts and are disregarding evidence that completely counters your argument in both cases.

You're essentially saying that the vast majority people should do what only the vast minority actually did do. You're using a fallacious, uncredible and unqualified statement to try to boost your position.

You've just lost your argument by default.

Wrong

The fact is that you don't have to buy the game to play it. Its your argument that is false.

And when did I even apply that people should do something in regards to how to acquire the game? Did I even make that argument?

No I didn't

That's not a false argument. You're saying that since people don't have to buy a game to play it, they must always rent the game, love it, and then buy it. That's how your message is coming across. It's pretty erroneous.

And I'm not even saying whether I'm agreeing with you or not. I'm neutrally, and casually, observing flaws in your argument. I'm telling you to shore up your argument. You're disregarding other perspectives and evidence because you don't agree with it. That's a compositional failure on the argument you're making. It's failed.

You literally just made the argument you're now denying.

So you are inventing arguments for them now...when did I say they MUST do it, because I recall I say they CAN do it. Two different things.

And I disregard you opinions because you base them off of invalid evidence or inaccurate information. Metacritic user scores and internet polls are not really valid, they are biased and flawed. Market research is, and why would Bioware lie to itself when Mericzan claims that the majority don't want more post ending DLC.

Nevermind anti enders disregard others opinions...like the 5 editors who liked the ending. Nevermind I don't even like the original ending, they do...tough.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 26 juillet 2013 - 02:28 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

txgoldrush wrote...

So you are inventing arguments for them now...when did I say they MUST do it, because I recall I say they CAN do it. Two different things.

And I disregard you opinions because you base them off of invalid evidence or inaccurate information. Metacritic user scores and internet polls are not really valid, they are biased and flawed. Market research is, and why would Bioware lie to itself when Mericzan claims that the majority don't want more post ending DLC.

Nevermind anti enders disregard others opinions...like the 5 editors who liked the ending. Nevermind I don't even like the original ending, they do...tough.

You invented the argument there, Butch. They can do it, correct, but you're also phrasing your argument to sound as if they all did it. I'd wager that less than 5 percent of players took that route. I have no evidence, but then again, neither do you.

So I'm to trust BW at their word, just because they say so? Why? What have they done to engender trust from me and for the masses? Am I to take them at their word just because their BW? Jessica Merizan is the last person I trust with information from BW. It's her job to make the company look good. She's being paid to do so. BW can make whatever claim they want to make since only they hold their information. I certainly don't trust it. I think BW is just trying to defend themselves. I don't trust anything they say, but I'm not at all surprised that they're saying whatever suits their interests.

Of course they're going to inflate their own opinion! It's their product on the line. I agree; Metacritic and internet polls are not entirely accurate. Very few sources for official polling on the internet are. But that street goes both ways.

By the way, admitting that you disregard opinions means you just admitted that you broke your own argument. Especially when you make claims that everyone who doesn't agree with you is unfair and biased, without credible proof, of which I can guarantee you have none.

I'm not disregarding other opinions. I'm asking them to back them up. More often than not, they can't. Why did the 5 editors like the ending? Can they make a rational argument defending it narratively and thematically and from its execution? Can you?

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 26 juillet 2013 - 02:41 .