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[EatChildren]

RaduM wrote...

Be serious. You're cherry picking, just like the other guy. There are plenty of layers to Mass Effect to enjoy.

Hahaha, cherry picking. A spade's a space dude. You're exactly right; Mass Effect has many layers to enjoy, subjectively between each players. Dumb, pulpy sci-fi is one of them. The series has had sexed up dumb violence and teenage nerd pandering silliness from the start, as would be familiar to anybody rolling renegade and observing the one-liner lunacy that follows. And all of this is only natural, given Mass Effect also draws heavily from dumb pulpy sci-fi source material. It's as much as a homage to the silly 80s stuff as it is laying framework of its own.

The power creep of Cerberus is a legitimate complaint, as it has been a problem littering the series since Mass Effect 2 rolled around. And given Cerberus is Walters' narrative baby, and he's writing the comics, it's no surprise to see him force feeding it in Foundations. Half the reason I want Mass Effect 4 to be set post-Mass Effect 3 is the hope that Cerberus will be eradicated from the narrative.

Just wait until he retcons Wrex' space station Asari commando encounter to a high ranking Cerberus grunt. Then you'll (and all of us) will really have something to complain about.

[MisterJB]

I honestly have no clue what they are trying to do anymore.The little speech of Cerberus standing for something and how they protected humans from turian slavers is the sort of thing you'd expect ...except it's given by a guy who runs a mine manned by human slaves (and who supply the Alliance, if you can buy that) and was just talking about giving them to turians...what the hell? And then Brooks actually joined the organization that kept her as a slave?

Honestly, the idea that a large organization can have both good and bad elements is great except it doesn't work when they are being delivered by the very same person in a contradictory manner.

Giving Brooks some backstory is fine and, unlike some in this thread, I don't even have a problem with her shooting her rescuer for abandoning her but this backstory just doesn't make sense.

[Bleachrude]

Er...maybe I'm missing something in the first 6 pages...but where do we get the "slavery" angle from?

I thought the guy was selling the worker's contract to the turians?

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

ElitePinecone wrote...

There's a preview and a link to buy the digital edition here.

It's an interesting setup (and I like the connection to the Citadel DLC) and I'm wondering about the overarching story between the issues - especially since they seem to jump around a lot in time.

Edit: Although, the idea that the Alliance would've accepted materials and ore shipments to build Arcturus from a mining colony staffed by child labour strikes me as more than absurd. Themis is in the same system as the space station, and nobody would be incompetent or corrupt enough to not check where the supplies were coming from for a major military project. It feels unnecessarily gritty and a bit poorly thought-out.

I work for an Insert_Big_Name_Multinational_Company_Here - and if you have a hundred million things to take care of, you do not really stop by and ask what the conditions of the employees of your contractor are if you need their services STAT. Which is probably why I found that part non-stupid at all.

I am not trying to get confrontational, honest, just throwing my fiver in there. 

[N7 Shadow 90]

I loved all the other series, although I didn't enjoy Evolution as much as the others, and this was a great starts to Foundation, IMO.
- Nice twist
- Nice tie-in to the Citadel DLC
(Also, nice Mass Relay figure!)

[WhiteKnyght]

Mass Effect has never been a stranger to grit.

Look at Talitha from Mass Effect 1. She was a little girl kidnapped by Batarian slavers on Mindoir who murdered her parents and kept her like a pet that they would abuse, rape, and force to serve them on a regular basis so badly that it gave her Stockholm Syndrome. And she didn't get free until she was an adult in her 20s.

[Armass81]

MisterJB wrote...

I honestly have no clue what they are trying to do anymore.The little speech of Cerberus standing for something and how they protected humans from turian slavers is the sort of thing you'd expect ...except it's given by a guy who runs a mine manned by human slaves (and who supply the Alliance, if you can buy that) and was just talking about giving them to turians...what the hell? And then Brooks actually joined the organization that kept her as a slave?

Honestly, the idea that a large organization can have both good and bad elements is great except it doesn't work when they are being delivered by the very same person in a contradictory manner.

Giving Brooks some backstory is fine and, unlike some in this thread, I don't even have a problem with her shooting her rescuer for abandoning her but this backstory just doesn't make sense.

Thats Walters for you...It seems hes gone to the Michael Bay school of plots, unfortunately. Making sense is secondary to huge explosions, big battles and sexy women. And Cerberus.

Modifié par Armass81, 24 juillet 2013 - 10:20 .

[Wulfram]

Having child labour mines in space 12 years after the discovery of mass effect physics. Way to go humanity.

Why does space immediately make people decide that mining needs slaves?

[wolfhowwl]

Enough.

Cerberus is a cancer metastasizing into everything Mass Effect.

[B.Shep]

Wulfram wrote...

Having child labour mines in space 12 years after the discovery of mass effect physics. Way to go humanity.

Why does space immediately make people decide that mining needs slaves?

Nothing new there after all even as we speak there are several people working as slaves across the globe...

Anyway, i liked the twist by the ending:
highlight to read below
I wasn't expecting the boy to turn out to be a woman and moreover to be Brooks. By the way, TIM is really a SOB: working with a guy who uses slave human labor to take down a bunch of turians slavers is really ironic...

Modifié par B.Shep, 24 juillet 2013 - 11:52 .

[Display Name Owner]

Oh, so it's like Homeworlds then. I was wondering if 'Foundation' meant the foundations for the next instalment, but I guess that's not realistic at this stage.

Well, I didn't get Citadel nor do I even want to, so I've got no interest in Brooks. And even less interest in Cerberus at this point, for that matter.

[B.Shep]

I always kill Brooks in my playthroughs, i find it too dangerous to let a sociopath who likes to steal identities and is intelligent as the Illusive Man alive.

Anyway, next issue is about Wrex so i expect good things.

Modifié par B.Shep, 25 juillet 2013 - 02:01 .

[ElitePinecone]

Bleachrude wrote...

Er...maybe I'm missing something in the first 6 pages...but where do we get the "slavery" angle from?

I thought the guy was selling the worker's contract to the turians?

It's not made explicit, but the work site is protected by armed guards, workers are regularly beaten and they employ child labour. We know Council space forbids indentured serviture (because of the Ilium plot) so at best they're beng held against their will by threat of force, right on the Alliance's doorstep.

Given that the Alliance is some knd of supranational UN or EU, and it's democratic while also acknowledging Council laws, I can't see why *any* of those conditions would be legal. UN agencies and European human rights bodies are concerned with child labour in a modern setting, so the idea that a child could be legally employed on a mining site in 2160 is... bizarre. Let alone a mining site that physically assaults its workers and doesn't let them leave.

I get that they wanted to show the child had a terrible upbringing, but that could've been done in so many more creative and interesting ways that didn't seem ridiculous. I mean, setting it in the gangs of Earth's undercities (like the Shepard earthborn background) would've been plausible and actually show us some cool new environments.

[MrFob]

Haha, now I am speechless. Really not sure what to say. It's not like I expect anything from the comics at all but hey, way to go to even disappoint where there are no expectations in the first place.

My only recommendation is: If you want to read "Foundation", stick to Asimov.

[WhiteKnyght]

Wulfram wrote...

Having child labour mines in space 12 years after the discovery of mass effect physics. Way to go humanity.

Why does space immediately make people decide that mining needs slaves?

There was a reference to slaves in mines on Illium in ME2.

Remember, the Quarian slave said she "didn't want to be shipped off to a mine somewhere"

Either way, this is an interesting look into the backstory of Maya Brooks.

The only sad thing is, I thought Foundation was going to be an original ongoing story set in the Mass Effect universe, not Homeworlds 2.0. Though that concept has potential as well.

[WhiteKnyght]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that nobody liked issue 1 of Foundation.

You guys wouldn't like it no matter how well done it is. You just want another reason to hate and complain, not actual satisfaction.

This is lingering Mac Walters ME3 Ending Resentment spilling in to his other works. You're never gonna let him live it down because Bioware refused to redo the ending and just expanded on it. So hating on everything Mac Walters has done(which includes Garrus in Mass Effect 1 if nobody noticed) and ever will do, despite him being a part of the ME team since the very beginning, being approved by Drew Karpyshyn to be his co-lead writer in ME2, and his replacement for ME3, out of some perverted sense of boycotting.

And all the hate solely focused on Mac Walters and Casey Hudson is due to lies. The statement by Patrick Weekes that Mac and Casey shut all the other writers out of the ending was some troll who hacked his account on Penny Arcade looking to stir up drama. And anybody who would think about it without a mind of of hate would realize after eight years of working on Mass Effect with the entire team, they wouldn't do something so asinine as to hog the ending all to themselves. And even the other writers besides Weekes have stated that they all approved of the ending before it shipped out, and that the controversy has been a "learning experience".

[AresKeith]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that nobody liked issue 1 of Foundation.

You guys wouldn't like it no matter how well done it is. You just want another reason to hate and complain, not actual satisfaction.

This is lingering Mac Walters ME3 Ending Resentment spilling in to his other works. You're never gonna let him live it down because Bioware refused to redo the ending and just expanded on it. So hating on everything Mac Walters has done(which includes Garrus in Mass Effect 1 if nobody noticed) and ever will do, despite him being a part of the ME team since the very beginning, being approved by Drew Karpyshyn to be his co-lead writer in ME2, and his replacement for ME3, out of some perverted sense of boycotting.

And all the hate solely focused on Mac Walters and Casey Hudson is due to lies. The statement by Patrick Weekes that Mac and Casey shut all the other writers out of the ending was some troll who hacked his account on Penny Arcade looking to stir up drama. And anybody who would think about it without a mind of of hate would realize after eight years of working on Mass Effect with the entire team, they wouldn't do something so asinine as to hog the ending all to themselves. And even the other writers besides Weekes have stated that they all approved of the ending before it shipped out, and that the controversy has been a "learning experience".

Are you done throwing a fit over something that has nothing to do with the comic?

[Steelcan]

Lol @Grey Nayr, thinking that the endings are the only reason SuperMac sucks as a writer

[Lenimph]

Preview convinced me against a buy... a knife fight...with a old fashioned normal knife seriously? Wolverine claws... seriously?
NOT EVEN AN WOLVERINE OMNIBLADE....?

[Seboist]

B.Shep wrote...

I always kill Brooks in my playthroughs, i find it too dangerous to let a sociopath who likes to steal identities and is intelligent as the Illusive Man alive.

Anyway, next issue is about Wrex so i expect good things.

I wouldn't consider an idiot who deliberately implants reaper tech into his head as "intelligent".

Modifié par Seboist, 25 juillet 2013 - 04:07 .

[Seboist]

EatChildren wrote...

RaduM wrote...

Be serious. You're cherry picking, just like the other guy. There are plenty of layers to Mass Effect to enjoy.

Hahaha, cherry picking. A spade's a space dude. You're exactly right; Mass Effect has many layers to enjoy, subjectively between each players. Dumb, pulpy sci-fi is one of them. The series has had sexed up dumb violence and teenage nerd pandering silliness from the start, as would be familiar to anybody rolling renegade and observing the one-liner lunacy that follows. And all of this is only natural, given Mass Effect also draws heavily from dumb pulpy sci-fi source material. It's as much as a homage to the silly 80s stuff as it is laying framework of its own.

The power creep of Cerberus is a legitimate complaint, as it has been a problem littering the series since Mass Effect 2 rolled around. And given Cerberus is Walters' narrative baby, and he's writing the comics, it's no surprise to see him force feeding it in Foundations. Half the reason I want Mass Effect 4 to be set post-Mass Effect 3 is the hope that Cerberus will be eradicated from the narrative.

Just wait until he retcons Wrex' space station Asari commando encounter to a high ranking Cerberus grunt. Then you'll (and all of us) will really have something to complain about.

I guarantee Derperus will be in ME4 in some form or another.  The Illusive moron talking about Derperus being an "idea" alludes to this.

[MrFob]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that nobody liked issue 1 of Foundation.

You guys wouldn't like it no matter how well done it is. You just want another reason to hate and complain, not actual satisfaction.

This is lingering Mac Walters ME3 Ending Resentment spilling in to his other works. You're never gonna let him live it down because Bioware refused to redo the ending and just expanded on it. So hating on everything Mac Walters has done(which includes Garrus in Mass Effect 1 if nobody noticed) and ever will do, despite him being a part of the ME team since the very beginning, being approved by Drew Karpyshyn to be his co-lead writer in ME2, and his replacement for ME3, out of some perverted sense of boycotting.

And all the hate solely focused on Mac Walters and Casey Hudson is due to lies. The statement by Patrick Weekes that Mac and Casey shut all the other writers out of the ending was some troll who hacked his account on Penny Arcade looking to stir up drama. And anybody who would think about it without a mind of of hate would realize after eight years of working on Mass Effect with the entire team, they wouldn't do something so asinine as to hog the ending all to themselves. And even the other writers besides Weekes have stated that they all approved of the ending before it shipped out, and that the controversy has been a "learning experience".

Not at all. In fact, the only reason why I didn't point out specifics in my post is because I believe they are well covered on the first page of this thread.
I was (and still am) very disappointed by the endings, yes, but I don't transfer this to all other things concerning Mass Effect. For example I liked almost all of the story DLCs for ME3 well enough with Citadel being an outstanding example despite some minor flaws.
If I think the comic is crap, than this is a judgement of the comic, not the endings and I think that your generalization that people are unable to differentiate is wrong and even a little insulting.

More generally speaking, it's interesting how these forums often get characterised as having deteriorated from the good old days, developed a "more poisonous atmosphere" and how the number of "whiners and complainers" has increased.
One might also veture the hypothesis that the number of complaints and criticism has increased because the material that can be criticized has increased as well.

Modifié par MrFob, 25 juillet 2013 - 04:36 .

[SilJeff]

I went to Books a Million today hoping to buy the comic... results were problematic.

I'd rather not pay online for something that's only $4.00, plus I prefer (like Kasumi said in ME2) actual paper in your hands to read something.

[Mr.House]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that nobody liked issue 1 of Foundation.

You guys wouldn't like it no matter how well done it is. You just want another reason to hate and complain, not actual satisfaction.

This is lingering Mac Walters ME3 Ending Resentment spilling in to his other works. You're never gonna let him live it down because Bioware refused to redo the ending and just expanded on it. So hating on everything Mac Walters has done(which includes Garrus in Mass Effect 1 if nobody noticed) and ever will do, despite him being a part of the ME team since the very beginning, being approved by Drew Karpyshyn to be his co-lead writer in ME2, and his replacement for ME3, out of some perverted sense of boycotting.

And all the hate solely focused on Mac Walters and Casey Hudson is due to lies. The statement by Patrick Weekes that Mac and Casey shut all the other writers out of the ending was some troll who hacked his account on Penny Arcade looking to stir up drama. And anybody who would think about it without a mind of of hate would realize after eight years of working on Mass Effect with the entire team, they wouldn't do something so asinine as to hog the ending all to themselves. And even the other writers besides Weekes have stated that they all approved of the ending before it shipped out, and that the controversy has been a "learning experience".

Typical Nayr, so blind so critisim that anytime people dislike it must be because of the ending! Hate to break it to you, people dislike it because like every other comic, it sucks. The writing is bad and the art makes me look like I can draw.

But go ahead and keep putting all critism under hate ending, it's good entertaiment.

Modifié par Mr.House, 25 juillet 2013 - 04:33 .

[bleetman]

What the hell is that.

Modifié par bleetman, 25 juillet 2013 - 04:44 .