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[Cainhurst Crow]

KaiserShep wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Already happened....

He looks like Baron Werner Ünderbheit.

Head-canon accepted.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 25 juillet 2013 - 05:46 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Armass81 wrote...



I like this design for the quarians, it would have been alien but still cute enough for LI, at least IMO. But no, had to be purple space elves.

Awww, they're adorable. I would've MUCH preferred this over some crappy photo stock photo shop. <_<

[satunnainen]

bayofangels wrote...

Shepard could have resorted to using the Reapers for his own ends and would have come up against the new human spectre (the VS). Would have been like the Saren and Shepard showdown in the first Mass Effect. 

Ofcourse using reaper implants would have meant that shep is indoctrinated, so You, the player would have to, at some point after Virmire, switch to play the rest of the game with Virmire survivor spectre and try to beat the reapers + shep-reaper + possibly Saren. That would have made the Virmire choice something. Maybe a bit too much for main stream game?

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Armass81 wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Triforce Hermit wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Triforce Hermit wrote...

Seeing the concept art for Tali's face make me glad that they didn't use it.

The concept was before Mass Effect 1 and before you had hordes of fans clamoring her to be a LI. The Tali concept is more alien because it was designed without a romance with Shepard in mind.

Romance or not, that face doesn't belong in ME universe.

Can you explain? Not seeing why not. What's so different about it from krogan faces, asari faces, turian, or even thorian..? There's room for anything it seems.

It's all about the uncanny valleys. To illustrate, here's three different individuals and how most people view them:

Duckling = cute (left peak of the valley)

Normal woman = attractive (right peak of the valley)

Duck-woman = nightmare fuel (trough of the valley)


Turians and Krogan fall into the "duck" pile because they look so radically different from people (Turians have a sort of feline appearance and Krogan look like big fat turtles). Asari and Quarians are in the area between the two peaks (where they each are, your mileage may vary) but the general consensus is that they sit far enough from the trough of the valley to where they're both aesthetically appealing.

Chalk-white bald-as-a-cucumber alien lady is way closer to that trough, to where plenty of people find that just plain creepy.


Unrelated note, I think it's strange how many fans believed that Tali had to be bald and/or purple. Why, because she wears a helmet with a purple visor? They never said Quarians were bald, and on a planet where the megafauna does the pollinating, giving them hairs for pollen/spores to cling to makes sense, ecologically.

Only males apparently, and even that is subjective. But can you explain why females like Garrus so much? Is it just the stereotype that males go more for look and females more for personality? Remember that Tali didnt even have face before she was wanted for LI.

I find it funny that a bipedal space alien dragon bird can become favorite love intrest for females, but for males it has to be something thats very human looking. We already had a species for that, the asari. Do we really need another alien babe race for shallow males instead of something a little more exotic? Or maybe the devs just played it safe and went for the lowest common denominator: Space elf.

The fact that we didnt see any alien females apart from asari who pretty much presented all fem xenos in the first two games is also a thing i dont like. Devs confimed this by pretty much by saying facepalm worthy kid visions"we dont know how to draw them. Should we add breasts or lipstick", which made it sound more like "if we cant make it sexy for human males, dont show it." Im sorry but you can make females who dont have to be super sex bombs, cant you? You dont have to stoop to Team Ninja levels in making females, just showing us big breasts and rear ends. Well at least in the third game they finally showed us some other female aliens...

I agree with the third paragraph in what you said, but you missed my point.

Garrus is appealing precisely because he looks so completely different from anything human. He's on the peak that's to the left of the valley.

The things that don't have that appeal are in the middle between that definitively non-human appearance and something that is extremely human. For a female character of the "alien" type to appeal to most guys, she'd have to be on either side. Asari look almost exactly like people, which is why they're not found as repulsive. If they looked nothing like humans, they probably wouldn't be viewed as being repulsive, either (for the same reason Garrus isn't). Same goes for Quarians. They may have chicken feet/hands, but they're otherwise the Dextro "mirror image" of a human. Something like that concept art isn't nearly as human-looking as what was presented in ME3, and it's way closer to that "trough" that can lead to total revulsion.

[Legbiter]

 http://images.euroga...0x-1/quality/91

Tali! <3

Modifié par Legbiter, 25 juillet 2013 - 01:44 .

[nos_astra]

Han Shot First wrote...

Triforce Hermit wrote...

Seeing the concept art for Tali's face make me glad that they didn't use it.

The concept was before Mass Effect 1 and before you had hordes of fans clamoring her to be a LI. The Tali concept is more alien because it was designed without a romance with Shepard in mind.

It would have been the perfect way to troll the fanbase. Be careful what you wish for! And it would have made people think about whether they're really into Tali's personality.

I doubt it.

None of the alien love interests where really alien.

Edit: Just read the blog entry. The line of thinking: What if Tali was just a bit too alien? Would the player accept her based on her personality and the time they spent together or not? Also the idea of the fat Cerberus trooper who comes in looking like an idiot, then kills someone in cold blood and takes out half of your health in one attack. It didn't fit visually. Bioware isn't exactly known for being bold and daring.

Modifié par klarabella, 25 juillet 2013 - 04:02 .

[nos_astra]

DaftArbiter wrote...
Garrus is appealing precisely because he looks so completely different from anything human. He's on the peak that's to the left of the valley.

And on top of that Garrus acts entirely human and is ... subservient.

[ShepnTali]

Accepting the lower half and not knowing what's behind the mask is fair enough. Revealing a creature feature as an experiment for lulz would not have been smart, which is why it didn't happen. In fact, they went beyond average, going for straight beauty.

[Han Shot First]

Darth Brotarian wrote...



Not bad concept for edi, but given the backstory in game for the body, it doesn't quite work.

I'm guessing they probably decided to make EDI a squadmate first, then came up with an explanation as to why she had a body afterwards. Looking all the different concepts, that is the only thing that makes sense.

[Han Shot First]

klarabella wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Triforce Hermit wrote...

Seeing the concept art for Tali's face make me glad that they didn't use it.

The concept was before Mass Effect 1 and before you had hordes of fans clamoring her to be a LI. The Tali concept is more alien because it was designed without a romance with Shepard in mind.

It would have been the perfect way to troll the fanbase. Be careful what you wish for! And it would have made people think about whether they're really into Tali's personality.

I doubt it.

None of the alien love interests where really alien.

Edit: Just read the blog entry. The line of thinking: What if Tali was just a bit too alien? Would the player accept her based on her personality and the time they spent together or not? Also the idea of the fat Cerberus trooper who comes in looking like an idiot, then kills someone in cold blood and takes out half of your health in one attack. It didn't fit visually. Bioware isn't exactly known for being bold and daring.

If Tali had been revealed to be extremely alien-looking in ME3, and not just slightly alien-looking, my bet would be on a small number of fans loving the reveal and an extremely angry majority that would either have rage quit or reloaded an old save. By that point they had all head canon'd something attractive underneath. And as much as some fans liked to claim that Tali's appeal was her personality and not her looks, it was really mostly about dem hips. Had Tali been a little less curvy in ME1, fans would have never clamored for her to be an LI. Male gamers are shallow.

[CronoDragoon]

Han Shot First wrote...
it was really mostly about dem hips.

Well, you are wrong in my case. There are a lot of attractive females in Mass Effect and all of them have hips, and I chose the one wearing a mask. I personally did not want a face reveal, however when BW said they "knew exactly" what they were going to do with Tali's face, I was on board. I was not fine with the shoddy execution of it, though.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 25 juillet 2013 - 04:46 .

[Stigweird85]

I liked some of those ideas,

The baby reaper would have been this generations Giygas.

I did like the Tali picture with the more humanoid appereance although I would have been fine with any of the alien ones either. Unlike all the other female characters in the game who had sexuality to the max(Miranda ass shots anyone) Tali always seems the more realistic to me.

Modifié par bigstig, 25 juillet 2013 - 05:12 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Awww, they're adorable. I would've MUCH preferred this over some crappy photo stock photo shop. <_<

Serving up that grey alien demon Satan realness.

[LeEpicGingy]

Thank the lord they didn't use that Tali concept. It's just as bad as the stock photo in ME3.

Not only is it ugly (and I don't mean that in the typical superficial way) it just looks super lazy, even if they fleshed it out.

[Cainhurst Crow]

LeEpicGingy wrote...

Thank the lord they didn't use that Tali concept. It's just as bad as the stock photo in ME3.

Not only is it ugly (and I don't mean that in the typical superficial way) it just looks super lazy, even if they fleshed it out.

Reminds me of kaminoan from star wars, only with shorter necks.

[What a Succulent Ass]

dp

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 25 juillet 2013 - 07:22 .

[In Exile]

Han Shot First wrote...


The concept was before Mass Effect 1 and before you had hordes of fans clamoring her to be a LI. The Tali concept is more alien because it was designed without a romance with Shepard in mind.

Actually, they thought of making Tali an LI but figured no one would go for an alien. And, well ... 

[Quaay]

I love this!! I am so glad they shared it.

[N7PT]

In Exile wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...


The concept was before Mass Effect 1 and before you had hordes of fans clamoring her to be a LI. The Tali concept is more alien because it was designed without a romance with Shepard in mind.

Actually, they thought of making Tali an LI but figured no one would go for an alien. And, well ... 

And then they made an alien LI (granted, it was a blue woman with tentacles for hair, but still)

[Bleachrude]

At its heart, Me is still space opera and in space opera, any potential female LI is going to be attractive.

I'm reminded of farscape which on their boards used to have the same debate.

D[argo, who I don't think as handsome, had a huge female following but just look at him...


yet the "alien" ladies all look conventionally attractive

Modifié par Bleachrude, 27 juillet 2013 - 10:50 .

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Drell were specifically made to appeal to female gamers.

Well, I happen to be a gamer of the female persuasion and if it were up to me, I would blow the lot of them out the nearest airlock. But that is just me

To stay on-topic - damn that is an amazing, gloriously huge dump of awesome. And while I really do like the concept for Tali quite a bit (the "official" full-body one, I think it is bloody perfect), I have to admit my favorite pieces of artwork are the ones relating to Cerberus troops - I simply love everything about the goofy designs and the idea of making something not all that threatening-looking terrifying through its actions. I LOVE the bubble - head and the mercedes visor-slit heavy has got to be one of my favorite shock troop designs period. Admittedly they might look a little bit silly, but they are so inventive, so new and unlike anything I have ever encountered in a game before - gah, now I want to fight them bastards somewhere - anywhere!

Modifié par Phoenix_Also_Rises, 28 juillet 2013 - 06:48 .

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

Phoenix_Also_Rises wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Drell were specifically made to appeal to female gamers.

Well, I happen to be a gamer of the female persuasion and if it were up to me, I would blow the lot of them out the nearest airlock. But that is just me:)

To stay on-topic - damn that is an amazing, gloriously huge dump of awesome. And while I really do like the concept for Tali quite a bit (the "official" full-body one, I think it is bloody perfect), I have to admit my favorite pieces of artwork are the ones relating to Cerberus troops - I simply love everything about the goofy designs and the idea of making something not all that threatening-looking terrifying through its actions. I LOVE the bubble - head and the mercedes visor-slit heavy has got to be one of my favorite shock troop designs period. Admittedly they might look a little bit silly, but they are so inventive, so new and unlike anything I have ever encountered in a game before - gah, now I want to fight them bastards somewhere - anywhere!

dammit, misclicked. Can somebody delete this, please?

Modifié par Phoenix_Also_Rises, 28 juillet 2013 - 06:47 .

[FERMi27]

So the ME3 wing of BSN is dying off. Shame.

Back in the old days, this thread would've caused a 500 pages ****storm, not petty 5 pages.

[Gorguz]

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

i read the article. I would have mmmmmmmmmmmmmuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccch preferred this to ME3. Why do they have to scrap awesome, mature themes in favour of silly juvenile plots?

It seems like they have messed up on purpose, doesn't it?

[rekn2]

the fact that theyre even humanoid is just lame as hell. aliens should look different. thats why a lot of people are afraid of bugs, they look and act different.


humanoid is such a tight form of genetics to even consider that we would see it again somewhere else in the universe is laughable