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[AHewlett]

 Hi everyone

I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas on how old Elissa Cousland would be at the start and end of Dragon Age Origins? Including all dlcs and expansions.

Also, maybe Alistair's age?

Thanks and sorry if it's in the wrong place!

[wiccame]

I always thought of her as around 21-22. Her mothers comment on being a woman in her own right sounds still new to her to think. I wouldn't put her any younger as Bryce is confident to leave her in charge of everything. By the end I would say she's probably 24-25, as I think 2 yrs or round that has past since the end of dao and the end of witch hunt.
Alistair I like to think he's about 26-27, he still has a goofiness about him but can be mature when needed.

Modifié par wiccame, 25 juillet 2013 - 01:41 .

[ejoslin]

Ages of the origins -- this is contested everywhere. In the toolset, I remember voices supposed to be about 20. The dwarf noble is older than that most like -- probably his/her mid-twenties, but I think everyone else is about 20. Dwarf casteless could actually be younger.

I do agree that the human noble being left in charge of everything does indicate that he or she is an adult, not a child.

I think only a year passes, or a little less, in the game itself. There's not much said that indicates the passage of time. Wynne may mention to a mage that nearly a year has passed since they left the circle, Zevran can mention to a warden after the landsmeet that it has been less than a year since he's been recruited, and the dwarf noble's child and/or nephew is still an infant.

None of this, except Zevran's comment, really does say too much about how much time actually passes, though. And since Zevran is only recruited after one treaty is done, you can make an argument that Ostagar/first treaty took quite some time.

ETA: The reason why Wynne's comment doesn't say as much as Zevran's is it can happen at varying times, from fairly soon after the first treaty if you do the mage tower first and then talk to her a lot, or at almost the landsmeet where it feels more natural.  It's approval based if I recall correctly.

The reason the dwarven babies don't say as much is we never learn how long dwarven gestation is (it could be a long time, but given Awakening takes place 6 months after DAO's end, most likely they're short given that Oghren had a child in that period) nor the exact age of the child(ren).

With Zevran, you recruit him just after the first treaty, and then you get the friendship talk after the Landsmeet is called, so you have a better defined period of time.

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 juillet 2013 - 09:35 .

[Secretlyapotato]

Faerunner wrote...

I don't know, I always got the impression the Wardens were supposed to be about twenty or so during Origins, maybe 21 or 22 during Awakening. The average body types, voices, and the way NPC's treated you like a young adult gave off strong 20-22 vibes.

Mmm I always thought it was varied since they all seem to be different characters in the same universe (Of course they could all be the same age). I got the impression that the city elf was younger than the other Wardens, being around 18-19, while a Dwarf Noble would be older than the others, perhaps somewhere in their 30's.

Human Noble I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say 24; Alistair 26. I guess they can just be whatever age you want them to be. (so long as it makes sense)

Modifié par Secretlyapotato, 26 juillet 2013 - 02:43 .

[ejoslin]

Oh, city elf is kind of easy to put at 20. Shianni is the youngest of the three, and is 18. Not only are Shianni and Soris' ages in the toolset, but it just makes sense that Soris and the CE would be the same age. Not that the toolset is always accurate when it comes to character ages (it's not), but I don't think they would portray a minor being raped -- that just adds too much of a layer to an already despicable story line so you have the city elf being at the very least 19, but more likely 20.

[AHewlett]

Thanks for all your replies!

Going by fanfiction, a lot of authors have used 18-19 for the start of the game where you meet Cousland so assuming DAO takes around a year, then she would be 20 at the end. Now I can't remember how long Awakening is or Witch's Hunt but I assume she would be at least 25-26 at the end.

It's nice of Bioware to leave the age alone but also a bit annoying if you want to make timelines!

[ejoslin]

Faerunner wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Oh, city elf is kind of easy to put at 20. Shianni is the youngest of the three, and is 18. Not only are Shianni and Soris' ages in the toolset, but it just makes sense that Soris and the CE would be the same age. Not that the toolset is always accurate when it comes to character ages (it's not), but I don't think they would portray a minor being raped -- that just adds too much of a layer to an already despicable story line so you have the city elf being at the very least 19, but more likely 20.

Oh, really? Shianni is the youngest? Where does it say that? I've never heard it mentioned in-game.

Toolset.  Also, a lot of what Shianni says sounds so much like what a younger sibling or cousin would say to an older one.  Soris is the one getting married, not Shianni -- if Shianni were the older of the two, you would think that it would be her wedding day, not his.

So, aside from the toolset, just inference.  

[wiccame]

Faerunner wrote...

Secretlyapotato wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

I don't know, I always got the impression the Wardens were supposed to be about twenty or so during Origins, maybe 21 or 22 during Awakening. The average body types, voices, and the way NPC's treated you like a young adult gave off strong 20-22 vibes.

Mmm I always thought it was varied since they all seem to be different characters in the same universe (Of course they could all be the same age). I got the impression that the city elf was younger than the other Wardens, being around 18-19, while a Dwarf Noble would be older than the others, perhaps somewhere in their 30's.

Human Noble I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say 24; Alistair 26. I guess they can just be whatever age you want them to be. (so long as it makes sense)

As for Alistair, I actually think he's supposed to be 20 or so. O.o If memory serves, Anora is definitely around 30, she's supposed to be around 5 years older than Cailan (making him 25-26) and I think Alistair is supposed to be several years younger than Cailan (making him somewhere in the 18-21 range). Yeah, I know Alistair doesn't look or sound it (he seems like he should be in his late 20's at the youngest), but if we're going by timelines...

Really? I always think him as older than Cailan. He says his birth was a secret as they felt him a threat to Cailan's rule, unless Fereldan's line of sucession is different, the throne is always passed down to the first born (son). So I just assumed he was older otherise he couldn't really be a threat.

[AHewlett]

I'm just going to rephrase my question a bit - if you did a TV script for example or fanfiction, which age would seem best for Cousland? From start to end, including DLCs and expansions.

[wiccame]

I would say 22 to start and by the end of witch hunt 25.

[ejoslin]

Oh, on a TV script, I'd put her at 21 at the start. A year for the blight, then another year I guess for awakening including the 6 months between the end of the blight and the end of awakening. IIRC, WH takes place 2 and a half years after the mother is killed. So 21 - 24/25 ish.

I also think of Alistair as quite young. He was training to be a templar, but had not become one yet, so he had to be fairly young as he was taken to the chantry while he was still a boy.

[theskymoves]

Alistair's year of birth is given as 9:10 Dragon in The World of Thedas.

[BevH]

According to The World of Thedas, the timeline puts his birth at 9:10 Dragon. So that would make him 20 or about to turn 20.

[Secretlyapotato]

Faerunner wrote...

EDIT: I agree about them probably being whatever age you want, though. It seems pretty clear that BioWare left their ages deliberately vague so you can fill in the blanks yourself. (Too bad they don't do this for their latest games.) It's pretty clear you're supposed to be an older teen or early adult of some kind, since most adults treat you like an upstart whelp or a child. I think anywhere between 16 and 26 works fine for most Origins.

Idk from what I recall I personally did not feel that vibe, except during an Origin story or when talking to older characters such as Wynne. I actually thought my main Warden was being treated older than she actually was at times. I just can't picture the Dwarf Noble outside of their very early 30's for some reason.

ejoslin wrote...

Toolset. Also, a lot of what Shianni says sounds so much like what a younger sibling or cousin would say to an older one. Soris is the one getting married, not Shianni -- if Shianni were the older of the two, you would think that it would be her wedding day, not his.

I think Bioware said toolset ages aren't relevant to the canon.

As for Shianni not being married first, I just thought she was older but they hadn't found anyone for her yet or it never worked out or whatever. :/ lol

BevH wrote...

According to The World of Thedas, the timeline puts his birth at 9:10 Dragon. So that would make him 20 or about to turn 20.

I think I may refuse to accept this. >.< He just doesn't look it at all lol

[BevH]

Secretlyapotato wrote...

I think I may refuse to accept this. >.< He just doesn't look it at all lol

I'm of the opinion that Alistair should be a bit younger... maybe 18?  He was sent to the Chantry at age 10 and he hadn't yet taken his final vows for the Templars.

[ejoslin]

Oh, I said in an earlier message that the toolset ages weren't accurate. However, with characters like Shianni being 18 and Soris being 20, I give those weight because they are there to set the scene. With Alistair's age in there being 32, it's obviously not correct, but that is more likely because the character was changed after his character sketch. He originally was going to be in his early 30s, therefore Cailin's older brother, but early in development the writers changed their mind.

ETA: I think that's why there are still some lines in there that suggest Alistair is older than Cailin -- they were most likely written before Alistair was changed.  Since there are thousands of lines of dialog, it's not surprising that a few slipped through.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 juillet 2013 - 12:38 .

[Wulfram]

Fereldan succession doesn't seem like it necessarily follows strict age order - that guy in the origin suggests the HN is likely to inherit the Teyrnir, and while there might be some flattery involved it wouldn't make sense unless it was at least possible.

[ladyiolanthe]

The World of Thedas definitively places Alistair's birth in 9:10 Dragon, making him ~20 at the beginning of Dragon Age: Origins, which starts in 9:30 Dragon and ends in 9:31 Dragon.

In Dragon Age: Awakening, Oghren tells the PC that he's only been above ground for less than two years, so it must take place beginning in 9:32 Dragon but certainly no later than 9:33 Dragon. So by then, Alistair would be 22-23 years old.

As others say, Elissa must be close in age to Alistair, based on what her parents say/how they treat her.

[AHewlett]

Thanks for all the replies.

I've got a good idea about ages for Elissa and Alistair. Let's hope we find out more in DA3/Inquisition (yes, I know it's not DA3 but it's easier to write, haha).

Mods, thread no longer needed! Thanks once again to everyone. You've all been a big help.