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[Reorte]

o Ventus wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Tali finds out about the Reapers and is essential for the Quarian/Geth conflict,

Which she was able to do just fine without being on the squad, as per the original drafts of the script.

You could say the same thing about all other characters. The only time having someone in your squad is directly necessary to the plot are during the ME2 loyalty missions and they're mostly overall plot-irrelevent anyway.

whereas Kaidan shows us the world of biotics in ME1.

Hardly what I would call "vey important", considering that there are other characters that also do that, as well as a voiced codex.

I think it's fair to include characters who set the scene. We generally get their bit before it's expanded on with the codex. There will almost always be someone else who could fulfil any role.

[Bleachrude]

Reorte raises a good point.

There is no "essential" squad-mate since none of your squadmates HAVE to be there I think the only plot critical mission with a team-mate throughout the entire trilogy is ironically EDI on Chronos station....

[DuskWanderer]

Who could we cut? Well, that's actually pretty easy.

1.) Morinth - As a squadmate, at least. Just have her some crazy asari who can be killed to resolve her mission.

2.) Jacob - Adds nothing to the game, nothing will be lost.

3.) Liara - She's actually the one I want cut most, but Morinth and Jacob would be easier to get rid of. Her character is useless in ME1 and ME2, and in ME3, she's there for no reason.

4.) Wrex - Token heroic orc in space and changes the genophage arc in ME3 to something ridiculously simple and idiotic. With Wreav in charge, it's actually an interesting moral quandary.

5.) James - I don't dislike him, but he adds nothing to the plot.

[Reorte]

DuskWanderer wrote...

3.) Liara - She's actually the one I want cut most, but Morinth and Jacob would be easier to get rid of. Her character is useless in ME1 and ME2, and in ME3, she's there for no reason.

You need Liara to decipher the visions to work out it's Ilos in ME1 and to find the Crucible plans (shudder) in ME3. Whilst that doesn't mean that she needs to be a squadmate as I said earlier the same is true for all squadmates.

[DuskWanderer]

Reorte wrote...

DuskWanderer wrote...

3.) Liara - She's actually the one I want cut most, but Morinth and Jacob would be easier to get rid of. Her character is useless in ME1 and ME2, and in ME3, she's there for no reason.

You need Liara to decipher the visions to work out it's Ilos in ME1 and to find the Crucible plans (shudder) in ME3. Whilst that doesn't mean that she needs to be a squadmate as I said earlier the same is true for all squadmates.

Given that Shiala is willing to give Shepard the catalyst, he could very easily figure that out himself with star charts and records of Prothean ruins. Liara's presence is not necessary for that one. 

As for the Crucible, well, as Shepard mentions, they could merely be going through the data on Mars. Liara wasn't needed for that. 

[Barquiel]

Most of our ME2 squadmates, except maybe Mordin and Miranda, are pretty unimportant to the plot. James does not add anything to the story either. I guess I would simply cut the characters I use the least (Javik, Garrus, Thane, Tali, Kaidan/Ashley)

Modifié par Barquiel, 26 juillet 2013 - 08:46 .

[HellbirdIV]

ME1: Ashley - Useless from a gameplay standpoint, least interesting of the squadmates in ME1. Too normal, Kaidan and Joker provide the "normal human" perspective while still having their own scifi-quirks.

ME2: Jacob and Jack. Limited to Shotguns and Heavy Pistols with no Defense-breaker skills despite being biotics? Ugh. So crappy.

ME3: EDI. Should not have been given a body. **** that cameltoe Fembot crap. Add James as well, he's like Ashley from ME1 - too "normal" for a setting as big and fantastical as Mass Effect with nothing to distinguish him.

[Secretlyapotato]

As a squadmate: Morinth, Zaeed, EDI, Ashley (Have to kill one of them anyway), and Idk Liara as I don't especially like her anymore.

But I wouldn't actually cut any of them if I didn't have to of course.

[DarthLaxian]

Ok, here goes:

Jenkins (having him killed in the first few seconds was just bad)
Jacob (what a bore - and a backstabber if you romance him (he just leaves you))
Zaeed (can't talk to him or get mercenarry missions (except the loyalty one) from him and is a soldier character? (don't use those, i like biotics and techs))
Kasumi (they didn't do enough with the greybox etc. and you couldn't talk to her either!)
James (marine-cliché-character? - sorry, nope!)

Note: EDIT:

i forgot the SEX-BOT  (EDI)

and final one:

the Day-One-DLC:

JAVIK - why?

1. if i would have liked a prothean, i would have wanted a SCIENTIST no "blockhead" (in his way he was worse then James IMHO and his attitude...bah, i like Jack compared to him - that's why she is not on the list)

2. No interesting side-missions where he tells you were big battles are and you go scavenge the site or check out old bases, important worlds etc. from the protheans?

3. Attitude

I could have added:

Ashley (Xenophobic and Religious? - COME ON <_< and the new look in ME3 (i never let her live, but got her to look at in the demo))
Jack (don't like her that much)
Samara (interesting, but i would have liked a huntress or a commando more then a "police/assassin-crossbreed")
Miranda (backstory not fleshed out enough IMHO and that could have been so interesting)

etc. - hell i could put the whole squad on here (because there is always some nitpicking to be done IMHO)

greetings LAX

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 26 juillet 2013 - 10:34 .

[Reorte]

DuskWanderer wrote...

Reorte wrote...

DuskWanderer wrote...

3.) Liara - She's actually the one I want cut most, but Morinth and Jacob would be easier to get rid of. Her character is useless in ME1 and ME2, and in ME3, she's there for no reason.

You need Liara to decipher the visions to work out it's Ilos in ME1 and to find the Crucible plans (shudder) in ME3. Whilst that doesn't mean that she needs to be a squadmate as I said earlier the same is true for all squadmates.

Given that Shiala is willing to give Shepard the catalyst, he could very easily figure that out himself with star charts and records of Prothean ruins. Liara's presence is not necessary for that one.

Perhaps, I'm somewhat dubious though. It was Liara's knowledge that allowed her to piece together the visions and recognise them as Ilos. Whilst you say anyone could've just pored through records that rather defeats the point of any expert knowledge being useful.

As for the Crucible, well, as Shepard mentions, they could merely be going through the data on Mars. Liara wasn't needed for that.

But again you could say the same just about every single character in every single story. Nothing ever happens that couldn't have been done by someone else; no-one is that unique.

[Bendigoe]

I have to start with what I expect everyone else has already said and completely get rid of both Vega and Jacob.
Then both Virmire survivors, didn't like either of them.
I'd let to get rid of EDI as a squadmate option but keep her as a character, the only time I ever used her was when it was mandatory.

- Jacob was essentially a non-entity in my game, after my first playthrough I never interacted with him again. I didn't kill him in the suicide mission, he lived on, but I completely ignored his mission in ME3 and never invited him to the citadel party. I could honestly care less whether he existed as a squadmate or not.

- Vega I actually harbour an intense dislike for. No outstand characteristics or quirks, run-of-the-mill soldier archetype that brings absolutely nothing new to my gaming/mass effect experience. There are so many better characters that could have replaced this hulking muscle-mass waste of space garbage character.

- Personally it wasn't Kaiden I disliked, it was his voice actor, he sends me to sleep and I could never pay any kind of attention to him. It also doesn't help that my first experience with the voice-actor was from another Bioware title with a character who he made just a bland, seriously, it's like Kaiden was based on him but given space-magic instead of blasters.

- Ashley was perfectly fine until she had plastic surgery and started fighting with her stupid hair down.

[Reorte]

Bendigoe wrote...

I have to start with what I expect everyone else has already said and completely get rid of both Vega and Jacob.
Then both Virmire survivors, didn't like either of them.

Whilst I agree as characters they don't really add much (although I actually like Vega, despite wanting to dislike him when I first heard about him) there need to be some Alliance squadmates when Shepard is working for the Alliance. It just doesn't make sense that there would be any non-Alliance personelle (or Cerberus ones in ME2) on the team.

[DuskWanderer]

Reorte wrote...

DuskWanderer wrote...

Reorte wrote...

DuskWanderer wrote...

3.) Liara - She's actually the one I want cut most, but Morinth and Jacob would be easier to get rid of. Her character is useless in ME1 and ME2, and in ME3, she's there for no reason.

You need Liara to decipher the visions to work out it's Ilos in ME1 and to find the Crucible plans (shudder) in ME3. Whilst that doesn't mean that she needs to be a squadmate as I said earlier the same is true for all squadmates.

Given that Shiala is willing to give Shepard the catalyst, he could very easily figure that out himself with star charts and records of Prothean ruins. Liara's presence is not necessary for that one.

Perhaps, I'm somewhat dubious though. It was Liara's knowledge that allowed her to piece together the visions and recognise them as Ilos. Whilst you say anyone could've just pored through records that rather defeats the point of any expert knowledge being useful.

As for the Crucible, well, as Shepard mentions, they could merely be going through the data on Mars. Liara wasn't needed for that.

But again you could say the same just about every single character in every single story. Nothing ever happens that couldn't have been done by someone else; no-one is that unique.

I understand your point if, for example, I had to make a new character to fill in the gap, but in this case, I don't. Liara isn't the only Prothean expert around, and Ilos is well-known enough that Liara could recognize it at a glance simply from the vision. Given the visions content, and the fact that it's Prothean (and Shep has the Cypher), Shepard could have easily pieced it together. 

[themikefest]

robot, Garrus, Tali, T'soni, Jacob

[The Night Mammoth]

DuskWanderer wrote...

I understand your point if, for example, I had to make a new character to fill in the gap, but in this case, I don't. Liara isn't the only Prothean expert around, and Ilos is well-known enough that Liara could recognize it at a glance simply from the vision. Given the visions content, and the fact that it's Prothean (and Shep has the Cypher), Shepard could have easily pieced it together. 

Conjecture. 

[Barquiel]

According to Vigil the Prothean scientists on Ilos were saved because all records about the planet were destroyed in the initial wave. If anything Liara recognising Ilos from fractions of images isn't really explained that well (she says that she recognised the place from her researches, but there was nothing about Ilos anywhere to begin with if we believe Vigil)....the idea that Shepard could have pieced it together is definitely absurd.

[KotorEffect3]

Kasumi-I like her and her LM is great but she just seems out of place since she is a thief and not a combatant.
EDI-as a squadmate but not as character, I don't use her that much

Maybe Jacob, and I only say maybe because he was one of the two Cerberus squaddies in ME 2 but not nearly as important to the game or series in general as Miranda

Maybe Zaeed, awesome character that fit perfectly with ME2's badass mercenary theme but really the game wouldn't have been diminished without him.

I am really having a hard time coming up with a 5th, I suppose Vega since the VS already fills in the alliance role but since it is possible the VS won't be rejoining the squad after the coup we need another alliance marine for the whole "back in the alliance" vibe.

[AresKeith]

Thane
Kasumi
Jacob
James
EDI's body

[Ledgend1221]

Liara
Carth Onasi
Thane
Samara
EDI

[Gold Dragon]

SSPBOURNE wrote...

The only reason I didn't have Miranda on this list is because you can't ignore DAT ASS

The very reason she's second on my list.

Liara: the way that she is pushed upon Shepard AT EVERY TURN is a turn off.  Kaidan for Femshep or Ash for MaleShep always, now.

Miranda: All she's in ME for is sex appeal.  Nothing else.

Morinth:  Why would I want a psychopath on-board, anyways?  True, she gets her need for killing from everyone that shoots Shepard, but really?

Jenkins:  In the game five minutes, so why bother anyways?

Javik:  Placed only because I needed a fifth person:devil:

[DOsquareZER]

AresKeith wrote...

Thane
Kasumi
Jacob
James
EDI's body

This pretty much sums it up for me as well.  Throw in Samara while we're at it.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Kaidan -- I hardly used him -- it's actually his voice actor who bugs me more than the character.
Miranda -- I hardly used her
Grunt -- Kind of a waste
EDI bot -- Keep EDI though
Wrex -- you only have him for 1 game -- love him as a character for that game, but there are two more games.

[adayaday]

Do i get something in return for getting rid of a squad mate?like will i get an expanded arc for Morinth if i get rid of James.

[DuskWanderer]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

DuskWanderer wrote...

I understand your point if, for example, I had to make a new character to fill in the gap, but in this case, I don't. Liara isn't the only Prothean expert around, and Ilos is well-known enough that Liara could recognize it at a glance simply from the vision. Given the visions content, and the fact that it's Prothean (and Shep has the Cypher), Shepard could have easily pieced it together. 

Conjecture. 

We're talking about hypothetically cutting characters. Everything in this topic is conjecture.