Jacob, James, Zaeed, and Kasumi are the obvious ones.
EDI as a squaddie as well.
Javik- The only reason I like him is because he gives a much needed Renegade perspective to the ME3 squad which is otherwise entirely consistent of Paragon sycophants. Otherwise, his presence is ridiculously contrived and only makes the Reapers look even more incompetent than they already do. So he would go if we could get some more Renegade characters on the ME3 squad.
Liara- This worthless blue waifu exists purely for fanservice (cough cough a virgin cough cough). She gives no unique insights into Asari culture or philosophies like Samara does, and has no interesting quirks or traits that make her unique beyond being the first Asari squaddie we get. Her only importance is getting you to Ilos (which could have been accomplished a 100 different ways), and her stint as the SB goes nowhere (plus there were half a dozen other characters who would have actually made more sense as the SB from a literary perspective).
If You HAD to Cut more than 5 Squad mates from the Series, who would they be?
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#102
Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 03:41
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Kasumi
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Morinth
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#103
Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 03:53
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That just makes your assertion that Liara is a useless character a wholly empty statement.DuskWanderer wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Conjecture.DuskWanderer wrote...
I understand your point if, for example, I had to make a new character to fill in the gap, but in this case, I don't. Liara isn't the only Prothean expert around, and Ilos is well-known enough that Liara could recognize it at a glance simply from the vision. Given the visions content, and the fact that it's Prothean (and Shep has the Cypher), Shepard could have easily pieced it together.
We're talking about hypothetically cutting characters. Everything in this topic is conjecture.
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 03:53
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Honestly, the entire (new) crew of ME2 except Mordin Solus. Don't get me wrong, I liked the characters, they just aren't important to the overarching story. I would have been fine with just having the 5 ME1 survivors for all 3 games...
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 03:57
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grey_wind wrote...
Jacob, James, Zaeed, and Kasumi are the obvious ones.
EDI as a squaddie as well.
Javik- The only reason I like him is because he gives a much needed Renegade perspective to the ME3 squad which is otherwise entirely consistent of Paragon sycophants. Otherwise, his presence is ridiculously contrived and only makes the Reapers look even more incompetent than they already do. So he would go if we could get some more Renegade characters on the ME3 squad.
Liara- This worthless blue waifu exists purely for fanservice (cough cough a virgin cough cough). She gives no unique insights into Asari culture or philosophies like Samara does, and has no interesting quirks or traits that make her unique beyond being the first Asari squaddie we get. Her only importance is getting you to Ilos (which could have been accomplished a 100 different ways), and her stint as the SB goes nowhere (plus there were half a dozen other characters who would have actually made more sense as the SB from a literary perspective).
Javik's description of the war he experienced is completely bizarre and out of place when compared to your typical Paragon playthrough where one hardly sacrifices anything and things work out wonderfully. It's almost like he's from a completely different franchise.
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 04:01
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Arturia Pendragon wrote...
Honestly, the entire (new) crew of ME2 except Mordin Solus. Don't get me wrong, I liked the characters, they just aren't important to the overarching story. I would have been fine with just having the 5 ME1 survivors for all 3 games...
And so Shepard stays dead and the latter 2 games never happen, because Miranda wasn't present to bring Shepard back to life.
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 04:12
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The saddest part is that Javik's war sounded a 100 times more interesting than Shepard's.Seboist wrote...
grey_wind wrote...
Jacob, James, Zaeed, and Kasumi are the obvious ones.
EDI as a squaddie as well.
Javik- The only reason I like him is because he gives a much needed Renegade perspective to the ME3 squad which is otherwise entirely consistent of Paragon sycophants. Otherwise, his presence is ridiculously contrived and only makes the Reapers look even more incompetent than they already do. So he would go if we could get some more Renegade characters on the ME3 squad.
Liara- This worthless blue waifu exists purely for fanservice (cough cough a virgin cough cough). She gives no unique insights into Asari culture or philosophies like Samara does, and has no interesting quirks or traits that make her unique beyond being the first Asari squaddie we get. Her only importance is getting you to Ilos (which could have been accomplished a 100 different ways), and her stint as the SB goes nowhere (plus there were half a dozen other characters who would have actually made more sense as the SB from a literary perspective).
Javik's description of the war he experienced is completely bizarre and out of place when compared to your typical Paragon playthrough where one hardly sacrifices anything and things work out wonderfully. It's almost like he's from a completely different franchise.
I'd have loved to face enemies like the Sha'til.
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 04:38
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I would argue that Shepard's contrived death happened solely to give Miranda some semblance of importance besides having a nice back side. But I'll give you that one.o Ventus wrote...
Arturia Pendragon wrote...
Honestly, the entire (new) crew of ME2 except Mordin Solus. Don't get me wrong, I liked the characters, they just aren't important to the overarching story. I would have been fine with just having the 5 ME1 survivors for all 3 games...
And so Shepard stays dead and the latter 2 games never happen, because Miranda wasn't present to bring Shepard back to life.
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 04:54
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Arturia Pendragon wrote...
I would argue that Shepard's contrived death happened solely to give Miranda some semblance of importance besides having a nice back side.
You would be laughably wrong.
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 05:06
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o Ventus wrote...
Arturia Pendragon wrote...
I would argue that Shepard's contrived death happened solely to give Miranda some semblance of importance besides having a nice back side.
You would be laughably wrong.
Indeed, Shepard's contrived death happened solely to allow the premise for ME2's plot to make any bit of sense. As such though I still have to agree that really ME2 had no real point in the grand scheme of things and most characters (despite myself really liking all of them, save the one named Jacob) and plotlines being kinda unneaded in the grand scheme of things. The only character's who were somewhat realevent to the rest of the series were Mordin, Tali, and Legion as their loyalty missions set up things for the genophage and Rannoch plotlines.
And yes ME2 is still my favorite game in the series despite honestly not really having a point... not sure what that says.
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 05:55
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I... I can't do it. They're all my children.
Screw you, OP, you sadistic bastard.
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 06:00
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Zazzerka wrote...
This.ShepnTali wrote...
I... I can't do it. They're all my children.
Screw you, OP, you sadistic bastard.
Bring in the Ceti Eel's. We will have an answer!
#113
Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 06:09
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The saddest part is that Javik's war sounded a 100 times more interesting than Shepard's.
I'd have loved to face enemies like the Sha'til.
Seeing as people can't handle ME3 for "forced grimdark" or whatever, I find it hard to believe that anyone would "love" to play Javik's cycle, where your squadmates are all indoctrinated and you're forced to slay them, and where the quarian equivalent species is corrupted and forced to be destroyed (maybe without the waifu fall-off-cliff suicide, but nonetheless).
But hey, anything but ME3, right?? xD
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 06:17
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I'd be interested in actually seeing more of the Prothean war play out, particularly the horrible first wave on the Citadel and their conflicts with the Metacon and Zha'til, but other than that, but I wouldn't find much interest in actually playing it, since it's pretty much a slow grind to extinction no matter what. He does tell Shepard that it was worse in his cycle, after all.
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 06:25
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Zaeed, jacob, james, javik...kasumi I guess.
Zaeed- Honestly I just hated the character, generic mercenary badass.
Jacob- Nothing more then a black Shepard with less credentials.
James- Meathead with little and maybe even ZERO substance story wise.
Javik- Although I think finding a surviving prothean was cool, the awkward jamaican accent and horrible dialogue with him ruined it for me.
Kasumi- When I first saw her in game I was excited thinking "oh cool another female to hit on"...then this losing her love storyline played out and it made me barf. I felt like I was a character in a random spy romance novel that my fiancee would read.
Zaeed- Honestly I just hated the character, generic mercenary badass.
Jacob- Nothing more then a black Shepard with less credentials.
James- Meathead with little and maybe even ZERO substance story wise.
Javik- Although I think finding a surviving prothean was cool, the awkward jamaican accent and horrible dialogue with him ruined it for me.
Kasumi- When I first saw her in game I was excited thinking "oh cool another female to hit on"...then this losing her love storyline played out and it made me barf. I felt like I was a character in a random spy romance novel that my fiancee would read.
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 06:25
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Eh, I didn't mind ME3's grimdark atmosphere considering the situation.HYR 2.0 wrote...
grey_wind wrote...
The saddest part is that Javik's war sounded a 100 times more interesting than Shepard's.
I'd have loved to face enemies like the Sha'til.
Seeing as people can't handle ME3 for "forced grimdark" or whatever, I find it hard to believe that anyone would "love" to play Javik's cycle, where your squadmates are all indoctrinated and you're forced to slay them, and where the quarian equivalent species is corrupted and forced to be destroyed (maybe without the waifu fall-off-cliff suicide, but nonetheless).
But hey, anything but ME3, right?? xD
Hell, I was pretty indifferent to the over the top grimdarkness of the original ending (I think a part of me even preferred it to the over saccharine nature of the EC). My problems with the ending lie more in its thematic and literary disconnect from the rest of the narrative.
And I do think that Shepard's perspective of the Reaper war is a little too "clean". I'd be interested in stories about soldiers who were fighting on planets for days or months at a time. The psychological and physical toll on the grunts on Earth, fighting horrors and seeing mass slaughter for months on end, would be enormous and soul crushing. You don't really get a sense of that when you play as Shep.
All that said, I can see why fans say ME3 could have still been a little more lighthearted in places, like when you dock at the Citadel. The game needed more moments like shooting bottles with Garrus to balance out the dark atmosphere, and it would be fine as long as it didn't go too far in the opposite direction to create a complete tonal disconnect (I'm looking at you, Citadel).
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 09:58
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N7recruit wrote...
N7PT wrote...
Jacob, Kasumi, Zaeed, Samara and Jack.
Not getting rid of Grunt? Just curious
grunt's ace other than that yeh althogh I'd keep Samara and get rid of Jacob other than that I'd keep that above list the asme
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 10:17
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grey_wind wrote...
The saddest part is that Javik's war sounded a 100 times more interesting than Shepard's.
I'd have loved to face enemies like the Sha'til.
That's because the war setting of Mass Effect 3 was a lackluster to begin with.
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 10:29
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Zazzerka wrote...
This.ShepnTali wrote...
I... I can't do it. They're all my children.
Screw you, OP, you sadistic bastard.
Well what can I say, I Enjoyed shooting Wrex, Murdering Mordin, Decapitating Leliana, butchering the mages & (You'll love this one Zazzerka) stabbing Morrigan when she was my LI so... "Deal with it:police:":lol:
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 12:31
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Kaidan, Ashley, Jacob, James, Jenkins, Wilson.
(I used a loophole!)
(I used a loophole!)
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 04:23
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1. Jacob - Has no redeeming qualities, definitely my least favourite squad mate
2. Zaeed - I find him too erratic and boring, but he gets a bit better in ME3
3. Ashley - She is just kind of annoying and I don't like how she didn't give aliens a chance in ME1
4. Kaidan - I like him but he is kind of dull
5. Liara - I like her as well but she is overused, sometimes annoying and usually creepy
2. Zaeed - I find him too erratic and boring, but he gets a bit better in ME3
3. Ashley - She is just kind of annoying and I don't like how she didn't give aliens a chance in ME1
4. Kaidan - I like him but he is kind of dull
5. Liara - I like her as well but she is overused, sometimes annoying and usually creepy
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HYR 2.0 wrote...
Seeing as people can't handle ME3 for "forced grimdark" or whatever, I find it hard to believe that anyone would "love" to play Javik's cycle, where your squadmates are all indoctrinated and you're forced to slay them, and where the quarian equivalent species is corrupted and forced to be destroyed (maybe without the waifu fall-off-cliff suicide, but nonetheless).
The stuff in bold should have been in the Refusal ending.
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Posté 28 juillet 2013 - 02:02
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I would cut out:
1. Thane - hes dying and it made no sense to get someone like this
2. Kasumi - thief with no purpose she even admits this
3. Jack - dumb concept all around we have her job filled by less crazy just as strong biotics
4. Kaiden - is boring, make a new male LI for fshep more interesting then him. Also his merging with Ash later doesn't help we don't need clones.
5. Samara - I do like her Justicar idea she just needed to fallow it not be so loose about it shes for good yet is fine to deal with ren shep and doesn't bat an eye on anything he does that would be against her own code if she was not just in theory principled I'd say keep her but she's just a mook with bad armor sense
6. Grunt- a Wrex wanna be we had Ash for backup tank duty so she could've filled the role
7. Mordin's active duty - I would keep Mordin physically just cut his role as an active squad mate his age made him perfect for ship duty like Chakwas but risking his brains for death on the battlefield was pointless.
8. Legion- a contrived character by 3 if he was to lie to us for two or go proreaper indoctrinated fanboy for 3 I'd keep him but no twist was done with this character that was an obvious twistable figure. He was used for a glorified pity popper/self loathing/propaganda party by the end and I can't support this
9. Vega - He's an insubordinating, stereo typical media latino, sexual harrasser who needs to go he also manages to break immersion and the seriousness of the game he's a cartoon and a horrible concept in multiple ways.
10. Cortez job wise - either make him a ground crewmen to replace Vega or remove him he was a glorified taxi driver we didn't need but his personality is better then Vegas save his odd mourning scene over his no anchor husband that scene needed major rewrites it was corny. I remove him for taxi driver but I'd rather him be ground crewmen instead.
11. Javik - for being a prothean I never liked the last of their kind gimiks like this always cheaps the series he hurt the series by being introduced him being a racist also doesn't make me like him either.
12. Edi squadmate - her physical robo body needs to go it took up space we could've used for anyone else from ME - ME2. They should've done a choice here bring the body she's a squadmate and Joker LI don't and she's just a disimbodied voice.
1. Thane - hes dying and it made no sense to get someone like this
2. Kasumi - thief with no purpose she even admits this
3. Jack - dumb concept all around we have her job filled by less crazy just as strong biotics
4. Kaiden - is boring, make a new male LI for fshep more interesting then him. Also his merging with Ash later doesn't help we don't need clones.
5. Samara - I do like her Justicar idea she just needed to fallow it not be so loose about it shes for good yet is fine to deal with ren shep and doesn't bat an eye on anything he does that would be against her own code if she was not just in theory principled I'd say keep her but she's just a mook with bad armor sense
6. Grunt- a Wrex wanna be we had Ash for backup tank duty so she could've filled the role
7. Mordin's active duty - I would keep Mordin physically just cut his role as an active squad mate his age made him perfect for ship duty like Chakwas but risking his brains for death on the battlefield was pointless.
8. Legion- a contrived character by 3 if he was to lie to us for two or go proreaper indoctrinated fanboy for 3 I'd keep him but no twist was done with this character that was an obvious twistable figure. He was used for a glorified pity popper/self loathing/propaganda party by the end and I can't support this
9. Vega - He's an insubordinating, stereo typical media latino, sexual harrasser who needs to go he also manages to break immersion and the seriousness of the game he's a cartoon and a horrible concept in multiple ways.
10. Cortez job wise - either make him a ground crewmen to replace Vega or remove him he was a glorified taxi driver we didn't need but his personality is better then Vegas save his odd mourning scene over his no anchor husband that scene needed major rewrites it was corny. I remove him for taxi driver but I'd rather him be ground crewmen instead.
11. Javik - for being a prothean I never liked the last of their kind gimiks like this always cheaps the series he hurt the series by being introduced him being a racist also doesn't make me like him either.
12. Edi squadmate - her physical robo body needs to go it took up space we could've used for anyone else from ME - ME2. They should've done a choice here bring the body she's a squadmate and Joker LI don't and she's just a disimbodied voice.
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Posté 28 juillet 2013 - 02:20
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Jack-i love her but she is not needed we have samara and Miranda if she was just a side mission then that would be cool but to be a main squadmate no she's not needed
Kasumi-do we really need a thief even if she is DLC, and Shepard didn't even know what can happen during the collectors base she wasn't needed same with Jack if she was just a side mission that would be great hell even in ME3 it shows she wasn't needed.
Thane-Other than being a love interest for FemShep we didn't need him I love assassins don't get me wrong but if he just like the others were a side mission that would be fine.
Jacob-Do i need to say anything, lol yes i did like him he was alright but he was so boring compared to the other characters he just wasn't needed. He story was alright but do we really need daddy issues
Mordin-As a squadmate wasn't needed if he was a character like Dr.Chakwas that would have been great but for a teammate seems eh..
EDI in mass effect 3- wasn't needed but since Garrus or Tali can die i see why they would put her
James-I enjoy james but he wasn't needed
There is two more (Zaeed and Grunt) but im to lazy to get into details
Kasumi-do we really need a thief even if she is DLC, and Shepard didn't even know what can happen during the collectors base she wasn't needed same with Jack if she was just a side mission that would be great hell even in ME3 it shows she wasn't needed.
Thane-Other than being a love interest for FemShep we didn't need him I love assassins don't get me wrong but if he just like the others were a side mission that would be fine.
Jacob-Do i need to say anything, lol yes i did like him he was alright but he was so boring compared to the other characters he just wasn't needed. He story was alright but do we really need daddy issues
Mordin-As a squadmate wasn't needed if he was a character like Dr.Chakwas that would have been great but for a teammate seems eh..
EDI in mass effect 3- wasn't needed but since Garrus or Tali can die i see why they would put her
James-I enjoy james but he wasn't needed
There is two more (Zaeed and Grunt) but im to lazy to get into details
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Posté 28 juillet 2013 - 02:28
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Miranda: I don't like her much tbh.
Jacob: He tends to state the obvious and has no contribution to ME2 or ME3.
EDI: I like her as a character, but not as a squaddie.
Morinth: No character arch and the only time you see her in ME3, is when she is a Banshee.
Vega: He's really just there as filler. And plus, if Garrus, Tali, and VS are dead, you'd only have Liara and EDI as your squaddies (Javik is a DLC character so he isn't a default squaddie).
Jacob: He tends to state the obvious and has no contribution to ME2 or ME3.
EDI: I like her as a character, but not as a squaddie.
Morinth: No character arch and the only time you see her in ME3, is when she is a Banshee.
Vega: He's really just there as filler. And plus, if Garrus, Tali, and VS are dead, you'd only have Liara and EDI as your squaddies (Javik is a DLC character so he isn't a default squaddie).
