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[DarthLaxian]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Humans like to eat.... junk food. Hence would be be the special species for consuming and recycling dark energy as a reaper! I figured it out. We're McDonald's addicts. That's the entire deal behind the dark energy plot. Junk food and fast food. There it is. Why didn't they just make a Vorcha reaper and get it over with? They could have picked anything. Because Hoomunz R Speshul.

And the Asari? Well lets just say that biotics don't do a hell of a lot of good when your enemy is taller than skyscrapers.

But in ME1, Sovereign? Having a crap ton of those things? Come on, really, Drew? They had no fascination to me. They were big and bad and we had to stop them. ME2? So we got the derp and more derp. and finding out how they harvest and make a reaper didn't destroy what they were. I still wasn't fascinated with them. I still just wanted them dead.

In ME3? I mean Mac, WTF are we supposed to do? We were playing with both hands tied behind our backs. Three years? It should have taken them 20 years, Mac. We should have been able to overcome the political BS. Garrus was working on that. We should have been far better prepared. We should have been able to have made peace with the Geth and Quarians, or the Quarians taken Rannoch and put the Geth back under control well before the reapers arrived.

And that ending.... Ugh...

agreed - on all counts (at least everything after "In ME3?")

why would they use a Vanguard (Sovereign) and 2 different Relays (the Citadel and the Alpha-Relay as a backup) if they can just walz in in a few months (the Vanguard i can still accept - give it QEC and it does make sense, but everything else?...i mean why alert people (and destroy there government on the citadel) when you can just fly in (in a few months) and do what you like anyway?) if you don't "need" either of those relays to show up in reasonable timeframe (a few months is a blink of an eye to an immortal being like a reaper!)...it's illogical to do it (and another plot-hole IMHO)

greetings LAX
ps: i would have loved a game where i would only have had to fight galactic politics (in order to prepare for the reapers) at least till the end-game (when my armada would have awaited the reapers) and the following battles

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 31 juillet 2013 - 02:20 .

[Iakus]

David7204 wrote...

Iakus, I'd like you to explain to me exactly how the methane/ammonia atmosphere is going to affect human tissues. I'd also like you to explain to me how this 'irreversible brain damage' works.

Do you know how amonia reacts to water, say in the human body?  It combines to become ammonium hydroxide, a rather corrosive acid.  That's how people get chamical burns when exposed to the stuff.  SHepard's body would likely dissolve before too long on the planet's surface.

Irreversible brain damage is justs like it sounds.  No oxygen=brain cells die.  Brain cells die, brain is damaged.  This can happen with just a few minutes of oxygen deprivation.  I already provided a link.  But here's another one:

Cerebral Hypoxia

relevant passage:

Brain damage can occur both during and after oxygen deprivation. During oxygen deprivation, cells die due to an increasing acidity in the brain tissue (acidosis). Additionally, during the period of oxygen deprivation, materials that can easily create free radicals build up. When oxygen enters the tissue these materials interact with oxygen to create high levels of oxidants. Oxidants interfere with the normal brain chemistry and cause further damage. This is called reperfusion injury.Techniques for preventing damage to brain cells are an area of on-going research. Hypothermia therapy for neonatal encephalopathy is the only evidence-supported therapy, but anti-oxidant drugs, control of blood glucose levels, and hemodilution (thinning of the blood) coupled with drug-induced hypertension are some treatment techniques currently under investigation.[23] Hyperbaric oxygen therapy is being evaluated with the reduction in total and myocardial creatine phosphokinase levels showing a possible reduction in the overall systemic inflammatory process.[24]In severe cases it is extremely important to act quickly. Brain cells are very sensitive to reduced oxygen levels. Once deprived of oxygen they will begin to die off within five minutes.[23

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

You very clearly don't, Steelcan. This is what happens when you smile and nod to any post on the BSN gleefully shilling accusations of 'bad writing.' A very foolish road to walk, and sadly a very popular road on the BSN.

Dude, if you actually want to get your hands dirty with this, stop with the ad hominems and refute the points presented to you. You're not helping your credibility.

[GreyLycanTrope]

David7204 wrote...
It's very clear to me that nobody here has any clue how such phenomena in the brain actually function. Which is hardly unexpected - it's highly specialized knowledge few people have access to.

That is the biggest load of crap I've yet heard from you. Anyone with access to a Biology 100 course in a community college can tell you how the basics of how neurons functions. Any undergraduate has access to this info.

And yes Steelcan is right about them.

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You very clearly don't, Steelcan. This is what happens when you smile and nod to any post on the BSN gleefully shilling accusations of 'bad writing.' A very foolish road to walk, and sadly a very popular road on the BSN.

Dude, if you actually want to get your hands dirty with this, stop with the ad hominems and refute the points presented to you. You're not helping your credibility.

He doesn't have any left

[David7204]

dreamgazer wrote...

Dude, if you actually want to get your hands dirty with this, stop with the ad hominems and refute the points presented to you. You're not helping your credibility.

Dude, what 'points' do I need to refute, dude?

[Steelcan]

@Iakus, I'm sorry, but you just wastes your time in answering him with such a well done answer. He's just not going to listen.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Dude, if you actually want to get your hands dirty with this, stop with the ad hominems and refute the points presented to you. You're not helping your credibility.

Dude, what 'points' do I need to refute, dude?

And this is why, even with my ****** poor argument, as it very clearly was, people still side against you.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Dude, if you actually want to get your hands dirty with this, stop with the ad hominems and refute the points presented to you. You're not helping your credibility.

Dude, what 'points' do I need to refute, dude?

The points that he laid out for you 1 or 2 pages back lol

[David7204]

I know.

I know Steelcan. I know.

I know exactly why people are siding with your ****** poor arguments instead of me.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

I know.

I know Steelcan. I know.

I know exactly why people are siding with your ****** poor arguments instead of me.

.  Because ypur arguments are even worse, plus I dont go around insulting people who disagree with me

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Dude, if you actually want to get your hands dirty with this, stop with the ad hominems and refute the points presented to you. You're not helping your credibility.

Dude, what 'points' do I need to refute, dude?

Awww, you're getting snippy! Adorable.

Explain reviving the brain post-death, post-reentry, and how there are no problems there. Don't lean on Clarke's law as the answer, either. Go back through the thread, notice the opposing points about oxygen, about memories, about Shepard's lack of consciousness, about Jacob and Liara's comments, and actually refute them.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 31 juillet 2013 - 02:27 .

[DarthLaxian]

AresKeith wrote...

He doesn't have any left

yeah, ran out ages ago without noticing probably (as for the brain being to damaged to repair - that is for todays science, but who says that there is no way to get the information (consciousness) from a dead-brain (the cells themselves might no longer function, but who says that the information they contained can't be "saved" and imprinted onto a new one (yes, Lazarus was not that good an idea in the first place - and that comes from a guy who loves ME2)?)

greetings LAX

[GreyLycanTrope]

It's cause your argument sucks David.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 31 juillet 2013 - 02:27 .

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

I know.

I know Steelcan. I know.

I know exactly why people are siding with your ****** poor arguments instead of me.

Your argument is that you don't need an argument because the Space Magic whose function you can't explain Cannot Be Refuted.

Insert flying spaghetti monster comment here.

[David7204]

These 'points' haven't earned any credibility I can refute. Shepard's brain cells died. Shepard's body was a mess. Shepard hit the ground.

So what?
So what?
So what?

No. You need to prove how any of this would conclusively make it impossible to restore function with the brain and body with the technology available.

Modifié par David7204, 31 juillet 2013 - 02:28 .

[dreamgazer]

"With the technology available".

Explain this magical technology, David.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

These 'points' haven't earned any credibility I can refute. Shepard's brain cells died. Shepard's body was a mess. Shepard hit the ground.

So what?
So what?
So what?

No. You need to prove how any of this would conclusively make it impossible to restore function with the brain and body with the technology available.

.  Dead neurons do not store memories and cannot be restored.  Without the original neurons, those memories are gone forever.

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

These 'points' haven't earned any credibility I can refute. Shepard's brain cells died. Shepard's body was a mess. Shepard hit the ground.

So what?
So what?
So what?

No. You need to prove how any of this would conclusively make it impossible to restore function with the brain and body with the technology available.

And you can't even define what "the technology available" is. Hence your argument is that you don't need an argument, and anyone who dares to challenge your non-position is an idiot by default.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 31 juillet 2013 - 02:32 .

[David7204]

I don't have to define it. I don't have to prove anything. I only have to show that you haven't conclusively proved it can't exist. Prove to me this technology can't exist. Tell me which physical law it violates.

Modifié par David7204, 31 juillet 2013 - 02:33 .

[Seboist]

Lazarus is one of the most moronic plot points in the series. There's very few things that are arguably even dumber like the whole plot around giant baby arnold.

[Iakus]

David7204 wrote...

These 'points' haven't earned any credibility I can refute. Shepard's brain cells died. Shepard's body was a mess. Shepard hit the ground.

So what?
So what?
So what?

No. You need to prove how any of this would conclusively make it impossible to restore function with the brain and body with the technology available.

No we don't.

People die of these things.  If technology exists in teh ME universe that makes this reversible, it's up to the writer to tell us about it.

Otherwise we could just say teh Lazarus Project consisted of Miranda rubbing a magic lamp and telling the genie that popped out to bring Shepard back to life.

Prove that isn't what happened.


Frack it, this is getting too stupid for me.  I'm out.

Modifié par iakus, 31 juillet 2013 - 02:34 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

David7204 wrote...
No. You need to prove how any of this would conclusively make it impossible to restore function with the brain and body with the technology available.

ME1 side mission, guy on life support, brain damaged from lack of oxygen. No treatment options available, doctor recommends pulling the plug.
ME3 President Huerta was brain damaged was only restored by implanting a VI into his brain which remembers things for him.
We know from EDI Shep's brain is fully organic so it's not a VI or cybernetics helping Shep along.
Even future tech has limits in application it seems.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 31 juillet 2013 - 02:35 .

[David7204]

Greylycantrope wrote...

David7204 wrote...
No. You need to prove how any of this would conclusively make it impossible to restore function with the brain and body with the technology available.

ME1 side mission, guy on life support, brain damaged from lack of oxygen. No treatment options available, doctor recommends pulling the plug.
ME3 President Huerta was brain damaged was only restored by implanting a VI into his brain which remembers things for him.
We know from EDI Shep's brain is fully organic so it's not a VI or cybernetics helping Shep along.
Even future tech has limits in aplication it seems.

Is that guy on the spaceship Shepard? Is the ship's doctor Cerberus? Did they spend billions of credits and two years working with the best human medical minds available to find a solution? 

Is President Huerta Shepard? Did they 'die' in the same circumstances? Is there any evidence at all suggesting the brain damage is in any way comparable? Again, did they spend billions of credits and two years working with the best human medical minds avaliable?

Modifié par David7204, 31 juillet 2013 - 02:38 .