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[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

 What evidence do you have that the Normandy would not be moving at a very fast rate into the atmosphere?  

Ill ignore the ad hominem.

"Bob killed Alice. What evidence do you have that Bob didn't kill Alice?"

What would a laywer say to that, Steelcan?

.  Ignoring the question will get you nowhere

[David7204]

Iakus, I'd like you to explain to me exactly how the methane/ammonia atmosphere is going to affect human tissues. I'd also like you to explain to me how this 'irreversible brain damage' works.

Modifié par David7204, 31 juillet 2013 - 01:57 .

[HiddenInWar]

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[David7204]

Steelcan wrote...

Ignoring the question will get you nowhere

That's just it, Steelcan. I don't have to 'get' anywhere. I'm perfectly fine where I stand. I only need to show you don't have conclusive proof.

[Iakus]

dreamgazer wrote...

How about an eye-witness account, like Jacob?

Or Liara:
Shepard: "I didn't realize it was that bad"

Liara: "I saw what was left of you.  I thought you knew"

[dreamgazer]

Also, Shepard was unconscious during the descent, so there was no way to cushion the blow with methodical free-fall techniques or directional guidance. Shepard splatted wherever Shepard splatted.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Iakus, I'd explain you to explain to me exactly how the methane/ammonia atmosphere is going to affect human tissues. I'd also like you to explain to me how this 'irreversible brain damage' works.

I'll take this one.

With the lack oxygen in Shepard's blood the brain cells would start to degrade due to their reliance on aerobic respiration.  These vrain cells are not easily replacable and ven if they are replaced the memories of the original cell would not be saved.  Shepard would have no memory of anything prior to the establishment of new neurons.  The atmosphere itself would not damage the tissue, but given its lack of oxygen the cells would also be destroyed by prolonged anerobic conditions.

[David7204]

Are we done here? I think I've heard everything I'm going to hear. Does anyone have any actual reasoning explaining why Shepard's body being a mess should prevent Cerberus from restoring function to it with the technology available?

[David7204]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Iakus, I'd explain you to explain to me exactly how the methane/ammonia atmosphere is going to affect human tissues. I'd also like you to explain to me how this 'irreversible brain damage' works.

I'll take this one.

With the lack oxygen in Shepard's blood the brain cells would start to degrade due to their reliance on aerobic respiration.  These vrain cells are not easily replacable and ven if they are replaced the memories of the original cell would not be saved.  Shepard would have no memory of anything prior to the establishment of new neurons.  The atmosphere itself would not damage the tissue, but given its lack of oxygen the cells would also be destroyed by prolonged anerobic conditions.

And why wouldn't the memories be saved or salvageable, Steelcan? How are memories preserved when cells naturally die? Or when humans suffer extensive physical trauma to the brain and survive with intact memories, as has happened on multiple documented occansions?

Modifié par David7204, 31 juillet 2013 - 02:03 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Are we done here? I think I've heard everything I'm going to hear. Does anyone have any actual reasoning explaining why Shepard's body being a mess should prevent Cerberus from restoring function to it with the technology available?

Brain cells damaged or destroyed due to an anerobic environment would not store Shepard's old memories.  Furthermore there are not enough cells that could be used to completely reform his brain.  They would need to clone additional stem cells, but this would not result in the end product we got in Lazarus.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

Are we done here? I think I've heard everything I'm going to hear. Does anyone have any actual reasoning explaining why Shepard's body being a mess should prevent Cerberus from restoring function to it with the technology available?

Are you pulling Clarke's law here?

[KaiserShep]

The presence of oxygen or otherwise doesn't really make a difference when necrosis is in effect.

[AresKeith]

Don't you just love when college students act like they know everything about everything

[Steelcan]

Memories are not preserved when neurons die. As for the numerous occasions, brain damage would not be complete in that case so the surviving cells would still retain memory. But no one who goes through brain damage is 100% ok anyone who says they did is full of it.

[David7204]

You've got no idea how the brain works, Steelcan. You're clumsy.

I'll admit that I don't really don't either. The great thing is I don't have to.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

You've got no idea how the brain works, Steelcan. You're clumsy.

I'll admit that I don't really don't either. The great thing is I don't have to.

.  Right you are a physicist in training.

And since you clearly have no clue what you are talking about, Ill ignore the second ad hominem.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

You've got no idea how the brain works, Steelcan. You're clumsy.

I'll admit that I don't really don't either. The great thing is I don't have to.

And yet you act like you do but claims Steel doesn't, when he probably does

[KaiserShep]

Not much use trying to determine the ins and outs of scifi technomagic. By all rights Shepard should be dead as a doornail. Obviously whatever tech involved with Project Lazarus has some insane capacity to reverse this while preserving memory. Dark matter temporal displacement medical voodoo techno-mage goodness, and let's just leave it at that.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

AresKeith wrote...

Don't you just love when college students act like they know everything about everything

If he's a college student, then I've already lost faith in humanity. We're boned.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 31 juillet 2013 - 02:12 .

[David7204]

It's very clear to me that nobody here has any clue how such phenomena in the brain actually function. Which is hardly unexpected - it's highly specialized knowledge few people have access to.

However, that does mean that any declarations about what Lazarus could or couldn't do are not only meritless, but incredibly foolish.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

It's very clear to me that nobody here has any clue how such phenomena in the brain actually function. Which is hardly unexpected - it's highly specialized knowledge few people have access to.

However, that does mean that any declarations about what Lazarus could or couldn't do are not only meritless, but incredibly foolish.

I may not be a neuroscientist, but I know what is hokum passing off as science to advance a plot.

[David7204]

You very clearly don't, Steelcan. This is what happens when you smile and nod to any post on the BSN gleefully shilling accusations of 'bad writing.' A very foolish road to walk, and sadly a very popular road on the BSN.

Modifié par David7204, 31 juillet 2013 - 02:15 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

You very clearly don't, Steelcan.

.  Just because you reject my arguments doesnt mean they are wrong.  It simply means you are full of yourself.