Hell, I'll just paste everything on that page of note.
" The Black City is the Fade manifestation of the Red Lyrium and the magisters intent was to exploit it to preserve their empire
We know that a lot of the Fade are actually variations of objects which exist in the physical world (Weishaupt fortress, the Gallows, the Circle tower in Ferelden, etc...). So we can suppose that the black city is actually the manifestation of something huge in the physical world: something like huge veins of red lyrium. Now we know that the Dwarven kingdoms were in good term with the Tevinter imperium of old AND that Dwarves found red lyrium. Now remember that the first succesfull rebelions against the imperium started 300 years before the magisters tried to enter the Golden City and that Tevinter had been on a steady decline ever since. The powerful blood magic of the magisters did not suffice to keep the imperium lower class from rebelling, and the near-constant state of quasi-civil war was weakening the imperium even more. So the magisters tried to find a way to reverse this decline before it gained too much momentum: and here arrives red lyrium, found by the dwarven allies, which is way more potent than ordinary lyrium: wanting to exploit this new ressource in order to save their crumbling empire, the magisters went after the Fade manifestation of red lyrium: except that instead of merely giving them more power, it overwhelmed them like it would overwhelm Bartrand and Meredith more than 1.000 years later.
Maybe the darkspawn weren't an accident at all, but a biological weapon made purposefully by the Imperium. That's why its tied to their gods. I would bet the Empire would have fallen if not for the darkspawn."
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" The Nature of Red Lyrium
Red and blue lyrium are both sources of magical power and they can both cause insanity with prolonged exposure. Blue lyrium gives resistance to its effects and by extension the Fade. Red lyrium has the opposite effect; exposure increases sensitivity to the Fade. It could even restore someone's connection to the Fade after it's been severed entirely. That's how Sandal became a Dwarven mage(see corresponding WMG above); Bohdan found him wandering the Deep Roads after he came in contact with red lyrium. Even Dwarves that don't have the potential to become mages are opened to the Fade and recover their lost ability to dream. When Bartrand went nuts, Anders said that if Bartrand were anything besides a dwarf he would have suspected demonic involvment. He could easily have been wrong. Someone as greedy as Bartrand and newly exposed to the Fade would be a perfect target for a Desire Demon. Look at Meredith. Even before she got ahold of the lyrium idol she was stuck up and nearly completely convinced she was doing the right thing no matter how horrible it was. Once she become more sensitive to the Fade, even though she had not yet become a mage herself, she became a perfect target for a Pride Demon. The reason Sandal didn't become possesed was because the awakening of his magic severely impacted his mental facilities, leaving him much less desirable to any demons when there were so many mentally fit mages to take advantage of. He may even have effectively shut down his mind on purpose so the demons would leave him alone."
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"The lyrium idol is connected to the Darkspawn and the remaining Archdemons/Old Gods.
Both the Mother in Dragon Age: Awakening and Bartrand kept raving about how they wanted to hear "the song" again. That can't be a coincidence.
Even normal lyrium seems to have this effect as seen when Justice is given the Lyrium ring in Awakening.
Pure lyrium sings. Literally. That's how the dwarves find it.
The same thing is mentioned by Rhys and Cole in Asunder."
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"Red Lyrium created the Darkspawn.
As related to the above post. The Tevinter Magisters created/found Red Lyrium in a A God Am I attempt and it went very very badly.
Note that the darkspawn aren't connected to the Fade, however. That doesn't invalidate this, I'm just pointing back to the "red lyrium increases connections to the Fade" theory. It's mentioned in lyrium's codex entry that prolonged exposure can cause mutations, and that the magister-lords of Tevinter didn't even look human anymore.
The red lyrium idol caused hallucinations of a song and music, to the point of madness. The darkspawn hear the call of the old gods as a song that compels them to search for said gods. Possible connection.
Worth noting is that red lyrium has only been found in a thaig that remains untouched by the darkspawn. What this means is anyone's guess.
There could be a somewhat more mundane answer there; the lost thaig was home to the profane and the rock wraith, along with several demons. It's possible they've just fought off all darkspawn that would encroach on their territory. There's something of a precedent for this; the Calling shows a dragon keeping darkspawn out of its lair. "
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" Sandal is a member of Primeval thaig
All things considered, including his ability to actually handle a shard of the lyrium idol, which is inside the Primeval thaig, point out that he might be one of its member, and probably a dwarven mage too.
...Except the Primeval Thaig has been abandoned since before the Blights. The only living things who have lived there since then are the Profane and various other monsters inhabiting it. Sandal might have been there once before (that could have been what fratzed his mind and gave him his enchanting abilities), or maybe he's descended from whatever dwarves once lived there (assuming the Primeval Thaig was built by dwarves), but he's definitely not a "member" of the Primeval Thaig.
"Definately" nothing! This is a fantasy game with some immortal creatures in it. Suspended animation is a possibility, among other things. The Primeval Thaig is built in dwarven architecture even though it lacks the statues of the Paragons and other important details, so it's highly unlikely that anyone else could be behind it, unless they are some forgotten people who taught the dwarves all they know."
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" There's something strange going on with Dwarven History.
The first hint of this really comes with the Witch Hunt DLC, when the Warden can point out that Cadash Thaig isn't supposed to be old enough to have taken in refugees from Arlathan. Then Dragon Age II drops the Primeval Thaig on us, complete with Golems that date before Caridin, with the Codex commenting on the strangeness. Plus there's the ominous murmurings about something 'underneath' Orlais. Dragon Age III is probably going to drop some big revelations about the secret history of the Dwarves, probably relating to lyrium, the Fade, and the Dwarven resistance to magic.
The Memories (the records of Dwarven civilization) are accepted as the Gospel Truth as much as the Chant of Light is to the human world and the Lore of the Dalish elves. If it was altered in the distant past there may not be any dwarves left that know the real history of their race and no one would dare question the authenticity of the Memories. And something really bad would have had to happen to justify the altering of an entire race's historical records. Since the only other known thaig is Kal Sharok the key to the truth may be located there in a future game or expansion. Bartrand's observations during the expedition and the codex entry for the Primeval Thaig gives strong credence to this. To take it even further, every race's view of history is wrong with the Chant and the elves' Lore being misremembered (or deliberately falsified) accounts of the real history of Thedas.
Arlathan is said to have been sunk underground by Tevinter Magisters' Blood Magic. What if it became one of the thaigs of the old Dwarven Empire and was lost during the First Blight?
Could be addressed next game if the Stone under Orlais=The Stone, aka the thing the dwarves 'return' to at death. Maybe lyrium is dwarves souls, who go into the ground instead of the Fade."
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" The Black City is the Fade manifestation of the Red Lyrium and the magisters intent was to exploit it to preserve their empire
We know that a lot of the Fade are actually variations of objects which exist in the physical world (Weishaupt fortress, the Gallows, the Circle tower in Ferelden, etc...). So we can suppose that the black city is actually the manifestation of something huge in the physical world: something like huge veins of red lyrium. Now we know that the Dwarven kingdoms were in good term with the Tevinter imperium of old AND that Dwarves found red lyrium. Now remember that the first succesfull rebelions against the imperium started 300 years before the magisters tried to enter the Golden City and that Tevinter had been on a steady decline ever since. The powerful blood magic of the magisters did not suffice to keep the imperium lower class from rebelling, and the near-constant state of quasi-civil war was weakening the imperium even more. So the magisters tried to find a way to reverse this decline before it gained too much momentum: and here arrives red lyrium, found by the dwarven allies, which is way more potent than ordinary lyrium: wanting to exploit this new ressource in order to save their crumbling empire, the magisters went after the Fade manifestation of red lyrium: except that instead of merely giving them more power, it overwhelmed them like it would overwhelm Bartrand and Meredith more than 1.000 years later.
Maybe the darkspawn weren't an accident at all, but a biological weapon made purposefully by the Imperium. That's why its tied to their gods. I would bet the Empire would have fallen if not for the darkspawn."
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