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[lightswitch]

 The one exception to this might be the Novaguard.

Other than that, they are all capable of being used to good effect, but none of them are really particularly good.

Human Adept: overrated unless you're using cheesing with incendiary ammo. Singularity-Shockwave combo takes too long to set up and set off, none of his powers really kill stuff fast.

Human Soldier: most overrated kit on BSN. There's like a bajillion kits that generate about as much weapon DPS as he does (along with a whole tier that are way out of his league), his grenades are crap especially because they don't go through walls, and CS-Cryo builds are for the birds.

Human Engineer: he's fine I guess, but he certainly doesn't compare to the best engineers (GE, MQE, and Demolisher). In my opinion the FQE and the Salarian Engineer are better (FQE has a debuff FTW and the SE can tank like a mofo).

Human Sentinel: Did you know that with warp and warp IV ammo he has better weapon DPS against armor than the Human Soldier? If only this were a significant amount of damage it might be worth talking about, but unfortunately it's pretty much in the same ballpark as half the rest of the kits in the game.

Human Infiltrator: probably the best of the kits listed so far because he has Tac Cloak, a debuff, and a heavy damage anti-armor grenade. Sort of similar to the Drell Infiltrator, or maybe the MQI. Not nearly as good as either.

Human Vanguard: I don't play vanguards. Some people I know who play vanguards think he's really good, and I believe them. So I guess he's pretty great or whatever.

None of these kits are bad. Most of them are just fine, fully function on plat or for topping scoreboards or whatever. It's just that none of them are actually as great as all you hipsters try to pretend they are either. They're mostly just sort of okay kits that will get the job done if you practice with them enough.

Modifié par lightswitch, 27 juillet 2013 - 12:36 .

[FateNeverEnds]

What you just said fits most of the kits in the game. Especially the GI.

[Cyonan]

Said Smashguard is an exception to being not all that great.

That is most illogical.

[lightswitch]

FateNeverEnds wrote...

What you just said fits most of the kits in the game. Especially the GI.

I think you are trolling.

But just in case you aren't, four multiplicative damages bonuses, two additive damage bonuses, an accuracy bonus, an AoE stagger, and a wallhack disagree. 

just saying

[FateNeverEnds]

lightswitch wrote...

FateNeverEnds wrote...

What you just said fits most of the kits in the game. Especially the GI.

I think you are trolling.

But just in case you aren't, four multiplicative damages bonuses, two additive damage bonuses, an accuracy bonus, an AoE stagger, and a wallhack disagree. 

just saying

It took me literally hundreds of hours to fully understand how the GI should be used, and I've seen countless pugs screw up big time with it, so it has a learning curve just as hard as vanillas', imho. Once you get good at the game any kit is good.

Vanillas may require a bit more of expertise than others but in the end a high quality player will do wonders with one or the other.

Modifié par FateNeverEnds, 27 juillet 2013 - 12:00 .

[lightswitch]

TchockTckocky wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Human Adept: overrated unless you're using cheesing with incendiary ammo. Singularity-Shockwave combo takes too long to set up and set off, none of his powers really kill stuff fast.

Youre joking right?

No.

I've never actually seen a human adept dominate a game to be honest. When I spent some time on him myself, and found him rather unexciting. Interesting to play or whatever, but not really a powerhouse by any stretch.

[ToLazy4Name]

Human Adept is great. 65% boosted triple BE? Yes.

Human Soldier is the ONLY kit with AR, which makes him great right off the bat.

Human Sentinel isn't all that great.

Human Engineer is great.

Novaguard is the BEST detonator in the game, period.

[Cyonan]

lightswitch wrote...

I think you are trolling.

But just in case you aren't, four multiplicative damages bonuses, two additive damage bonuses, an accuracy bonus, an AoE stagger, and a wallhack disagree. 

just saying

While I'm convinced that it is you who is trolling

I'm still going to point out that the GI doesn't have 4 multiplicative damage bonuses.

[lightswitch]

Cyonan wrote...

Said Smashguard is an exception to being not all that great.

That is most illogical.

Mostly I don't really feel qualified to comment on him.

But I have seen some rather impressive displays with that kit, and it certainly has an uncommon amount of survivability and above average usefulness as a detonator.

[Knockingbr4in]

what is this i don't even

[lightswitch]

Cyonan wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

I think you are trolling.

But just in case you aren't, four multiplicative damages bonuses, two additive damage bonuses, an accuracy bonus, an AoE stagger, and a wallhack disagree. 

just saying

While I'm convinced that it is you who is trolling

I'm still going to point out that the GI doesn't have 4 multiplicative damage bonuses.

Proximity mine debuff, Geth racial bonus, TC sniper rifle damage bonus, HM RoF bonus.

[FateNeverEnds]

lightswitch wrote...

TchockTckocky wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Human Adept: overrated unless you're using cheesing with incendiary ammo. Singularity-Shockwave combo takes too long to set up and set off, none of his powers really kill stuff fast.

Youre joking right?

No.

I've never actually seen a human adept dominate a game to be honest. When I spent some time on him myself, and found him rather unexciting. Interesting to play or whatever, but not really a powerhouse by any stretch.

Ender the N00b would like to have a word with you.

One of my favorite biotics so far, discovered his awesome true potential a couple weeks ago and haven't looked back.

[Cyonan]

lightswitch wrote...

Proximity mine debuff, Geth racial bonus, TC sniper rifle damage bonus, HM RoF bonus.

RoF isn't a damage bonus(it's also not as effective as suggested across multiple clips).

Geth racial and TC Sniper Rifle are also very limited in what they do. Neither of them affect the highest DPS weapons in the game.

[Evil]

pretty certain geth racial is additive, since everything else in the networked ai tree is...

[lightswitch]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Human Adept is great. 65% boosted triple BE? Yes.

Human Soldier is the ONLY kit with AR, which makes him great right off the bat.

Human Sentinel isn't all that great.

Human Engineer is great.

Novaguard is the BEST detonator in the game, period.

Triple BEs are great in theory. How often do they actually happen though? Normally by the time singularity is in position and its' cooldown is over the spawn is already dispersed and/or half dead.

I love how I can do things like point out that the HSent is pretty much as good or better than the HSol and people will just straight up ignore it.

[Tallgeese_VII]

I think you like gunning down your enemies way too much lightswitch

[Lucky]

lightswitch wrote...

FateNeverEnds wrote...

What you just said fits most of the kits in the game. Especially the GI.

I think you are trolling.

But just in case you aren't, four multiplicative damages bonuses, two additive damage bonuses, an accuracy bonus, an AoE stagger, and a wallhack disagree. 

just saying

4 multiplicative bonuses? Proxy mine debuff, geth weapon bonus and sniper bonus cloak are all I can think of, which am I missing?

Ah 'd I suppose one could call ROF a multiplicative dmg boost, but that is stretching the term.

Also, Human adept is a beast Singularity for short duration and detonate means you can Cast Singularity > warp = BE > warp again > singularity duration runs out and it detonates = another BE. Two powerful BEs for one cast is top chelf in my book. Also, human engi is great for setting off reliable tech/fire explosions no matter the enemy defense type. HSol is a beast for being able to fire two or infinite typhoon clips while only reving it up once (depending on how you spec him. As you said the infil is good. Novaguard is a detonating/ I-framing tank.

H sent is the only one that really is mediocre.

Are they the best kits in the game? No. But they are very good.
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Modifié par rlucht, 27 juillet 2013 - 12:14 .

[ToLazy4Name]

Evil Mastered wrote...

pretty certain geth racial is additive, since everything else in the networked ai tree is...

It's multiplicative, as is the Prollector's Prothean/Collector weapon damage. 

[Tallgeese_VII]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Human Adept is great. 65% boosted triple BE? Yes.

Human Soldier is the ONLY kit with AR, which makes him great right off the bat.

Human Sentinel isn't all that great.

Human Engineer is great.

Novaguard is the BEST detonator in the game, period.

Hey ! Human Sentinel is better than Volus Sentinel !

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

Human engie worse than the Salarian and fem quarian? Lol neither of those are that bad, and the human engie is way more effective against crowds, armour, shields.

Human sentinal is a powerhouse, but everyone says 'power damage doesn't help if your just going to detonate' lol

Adept? 2 powerful BE's with 3 casts? Singularity on a boss, warp, boom, warp, boom. All near by mooks die and you don't even have to consider them.

Human infiltrator? Has TC? Effective yes, boring yes, as effective as GI? No. But GI>everything

Human sol? Cryo, falcon, concussive shot. Exciting, not really, but effective, yes.

I smell a troll

[ComradeShepard7]

When you are talking about the vanilla humans why are you bringing up the Smashguard? Based on your comments about the "uncommon amount of survivability" and "above average usefulness as a detonator" I'm guessing you are actually talking about the Novaguard?

[Tallgeese_VII]

Anyone who is underrating HE is not using Combat drone right...

[lightswitch]

Cyonan wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Proximity mine debuff, Geth racial bonus, TC sniper rifle damage bonus, HM RoF bonus.

RoF isn't a damage bonus(it's also not as effective as suggested across multiple clips).

Geth racial and TC Sniper Rifle are also very limited in what they do. Neither of them affect the highest DPS weapons in the game.

Mathematically RoF is identical to a damage bonus and you know it. The only difference is it gets multiplied into ammo power damage as well. It may not be the best thing for sustained DPS with any setup but it's great with some, and it's certainly great for burst DPS.

Geth racial and TC sniper rifle both effect the Javelin. They should redefine the Indra as Geth so the GI can use all four bonuses to full effect at one time. lol