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[Diefenbaker]

dreamgazer wrote...

Again with the digital coitus? Jeebus.

Pft, you could say that about anything.

Again with the digital gear stats?
Again with the digital exploration limits?
Again with the ditigal companion choices?
Again with the digital mount possibility?
Again with the digital conversation wheel?

You will find people are just as passionate about discussing the aspects of the game series mentioned above as they are about the casual sex options.

Similar threads are going to keep popping up over the next year, why pick on this one?

Modifié par AelixVII, 27 juillet 2013 - 05:33 .

[Legbiter]

I support the OP so long as I can express my pangender asexual demiplatonic trans-racial otherkin identity in-game as well.

[CELL55]

I don't know, it seems to me that the sex in the other two games doesn't match up with the rest of the pseudo-medieval world. On one hand, you have elves as second class citizens, court intrigue and murder, fanaticism and internal dissent, and near constant warfare. And then anyone can sleep with anyone regardless of gender or if they're even married and no one comments on it. It appears that the grittiness of the world is jarringly selective to me. The rest of the world is pretty rigid, but then suddenly opens up on the topic of sexuality for no discernable reason. Pandering to the audience? I really don't know, but I do find it odd.

Modifié par CELL55, 27 juillet 2013 - 06:57 .

[Angrywolves]

Thought we should have been able to have one night stands with npcs.
The Cousland one nighters before the castle invasion didn't have enough content.
Bella would have made a nice one nighter.
More content with Isabela in the tavern and " below decks " on her ship.
rotfl.
So I hope for more from DAI.

[AtreiyaN7]

They've already had brothels in both DA games thus far, and that seems more than adequate if you want casual sex. Surely that streak will continue in DA:I and the Orlesians will have brothels too. Frankly, I found Geralt sleeping with practically every female he came across rather off-putting in The Witcher (also off-putting was the fact that they all seemed to be dumb bimbos with bad VA). I suppose a few random flings in DA:I wouldn't be so bad, but I also don't want every single person I talk to throwing themselves at me.

[LPPrince]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

They've already had brothels in both DA games thus far, and that seems more than adequate if you want casual sex. Surely that streak will continue in DA:I and the Orlesians will have brothels too. Frankly, I found Geralt sleeping with practically every female he came across rather off-putting in The Witcher (also off-putting was the fact that they all seemed to be dumb bimbos with bad VA). I suppose a few random flings in DA:I wouldn't be so bad, but I also don't want every single person I talk to throwing themselves at me.

Note that as Geralt you don't have to sleep with someone you don't want to. You can completely avoid romantic/sexual encounters like that, same as in DA.

The only real difference between Witcher sex scenes and DA sex scenes is that the former are ACTUAL sex scenes. Where sex is happening and you're seeing it.

In DA its just implied. Though I get what the OP is saying I think, he wants more opportunities to have casual flings/one night stands like in The Witcher with characters outside of the party we'll have.

If it makes sense, I'm for it, sure. If not, then I'd rather Bioware continue as they were.

[Mello]

AelixVII wrote...

IC-07 wrote...

Mr Cloud wrote...

Wait, I have a better idea - make every single NPC you meet along the way horny enough to have sex with you at any time.

Would that satisfy you OP? Or is it still not enough?

We need that wheel from DA2 and add a 4th personality. The horny one.

NPC: "He passed away 6 months ago"

1. You have my consolences.
2. Too early for jokes?
3. Remind me why I care.
4. Come to my tent.

NPC: "We shall charge the enemy at daylight's first hour!"

1. For great honor!
2. Do I have to?
3. Get lost, I will do it alone.
4. Come to my tent first, fight later. Tent afterwards, hell, tent time on the battlefield...

NPC: "Please, You have to save her!"

1. It would be my duty.
2. Of course, how much are you willing to pay?
3. How the hell do you misplace a human being? 
4. Listen I aint Mario, If I'm going to save someone I better be getting a little something and I aint talking bout' sovereigns or a little kiss on the cheek.  

@OP
Well I guess that could happen as long as it's not forced or anything. 

Modifié par iPoohCupCakes, 27 juillet 2013 - 09:18 .

[Mike 9987]

 What do you think zevran's cameo will be for? 

[Nefla]

Note that as Geralt you don't have to sleep with someone you don't want to. You can completely avoid romantic/sexual encounters like that, same as in DA.

The only real difference between Witcher sex scenes and DA sex scenes is that the former are ACTUAL sex scenes. Where sex is happening and you're seeing it.

In DA its just implied. Though I get what the OP is saying I think, he wants more opportunities to have casual flings/one night stands like in The Witcher with characters outside of the party we'll have.

If it makes sense, I'm for it, sure. If not, then I'd rather Bioware continue as they were.

I didn't want to sleep with Triss...

Also wasn't Geralt wearing pants in the sex scenes?

[Kidd]

CELL55 wrote...

I don't know, it seems to me that the sex in the other two games doesn't match up with the rest of the pseudo-medieval world. On one hand, you have elves as second class citizens, court intrigue and murder, fanaticism and internal dissent, and near constant warfare. And then anyone can sleep with anyone regardless of gender or if they're even married and no one comments on it. It appears that the grittiness of the world is jarringly selective to me. The rest of the world is pretty rigid, but then suddenly opens up on the topic of sexuality for no discernable reason. Pandering to the audience? I really don't know, but I do find it odd.

Thedas doesn't have hundreds of years of religious bans on sexuality. Medieval Europe did. You can't compare sexual attitudes of the two because of this. Similarly you can't compare the societies' feelings on elves, since the elven situation obviously also differ.

[Wulfram]

I don't think any of the relationships in the DA series would actually be all that implausible even in the middle ages, if you assume there was a certain degree of discretion taking place when it came to people outside of their immediate circle of friends.

[Das Tentakel]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

CELL55 wrote...

I don't know, it seems to me that the sex in the other two games doesn't match up with the rest of the pseudo-medieval world. On one hand, you have elves as second class citizens, court intrigue and murder, fanaticism and internal dissent, and near constant warfare. And then anyone can sleep with anyone regardless of gender or if they're even married and no one comments on it. It appears that the grittiness of the world is jarringly selective to me. The rest of the world is pretty rigid, but then suddenly opens up on the topic of sexuality for no discernable reason. Pandering to the audience? I really don't know, but I do find it odd.

Thedas doesn't have hundreds of years of religious bans on sexuality. Medieval Europe did. You can't compare sexual attitudes of the two because of this. Similarly you can't compare the societies' feelings on elves, since the elven situation obviously also differ.

It may be that CELL55 was referring to the fact that Thedas is recognisably (if superficially) 'pseudo-medieval' in its inspiration with all its prejudice and social injustice, but is 100% recognisably modern western liberal when it comes to sex and gender.
It's reasoned away (at least I hope so, I can't remember a fully satisfactory explanation from the games) and understandable (part conviction and part convenience) from a dev point of view, but it's odd that it's identical with modern western liberal views. In the past, homosexuality or bisexuality could be fairly normal; in some cultures women might even become warriors (although that's an ongoing debate), but the situation was never identical to modern western liberal values. One would expect something similarly different from Thedas.
It's one of several things that keeps the DA setting from having a real identity of its own and keeps it cardboard-thin.

Not a big thing, and understandable given the mass-market, mainstream ambitions of BioWare (at least in terms of sales), but still...

Wulfram wrote...

I don't think any of the relationships in the DA series would actually be all that implausible even in the middle ages, if you assume there was a certain degree of discretion taking place when it came to people outside of their immediate circle of friends.

True, but there would still be a specific context that marked the place and time very different from our own. Like, erm, having laws that would have a confirmed homosexual man castrated and then executed. This also adds a certain tension to rumours of, say, the King doing the beast with two backs with one of his court favourites (as the passive * gasp* partner no less...)

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 27 juillet 2013 - 10:31 .

[BioFan (Official)]

I'm all for it, I mean, we had it with Isabella, but still.

[AtreiyaN7]

LPPrince wrote...

Note that as Geralt you don't have to sleep with someone you don't want to. You can completely avoid romantic/sexual encounters like that, same as in DA.

The only real difference between Witcher sex scenes and DA sex scenes is that the former are ACTUAL sex scenes. Where sex is happening and you're seeing it.

In DA its just implied. Though I get what the OP is saying I think, he wants more opportunities to have casual flings/one night stands like in The Witcher with characters outside of the party we'll have.

If it makes sense, I'm for it, sure. If not, then I'd rather Bioware continue as they were.

Of course you don't have to sleep with every woman in the game as Geralt  - I've always been aware of that. At the same time, I feel that it's just not realistic to have every airhead in The Witcher magically attracted to Mr. Monotone. When you throw in the sex cards too, the whole thing becomes even more off-putting to me and makes the treatment of sex seem even cheaper and more tawdry than it already is in that game.

At any rate, I certainly have no objections if BioWare were to throw in several opportunities for casual flings because they've done it before. They just need to keep it down to a believable number if they do add in any casual flings.  I maintain that it is highly unlikely that any protagonist will have 10-20 people (or more) throwing themselves at the protagonist UNLESS they happen to be a certified rock god. So maybe if our Inquisitor forms a metal band with his/her companions, gets all tatted up, and then goes platinum in Orlais, I might actually find the possibility of 10-20 (or more) casual flings believable.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 28 juillet 2013 - 12:36 .

[CELL55]

Das Tentakel wrote...

It may be that CELL55 was referring to the fact that Thedas is recognisably (if superficially) 'pseudo-medieval' in its inspiration with all its prejudice and social injustice, but is 100% recognisably modern western liberal when it comes to sex and gender.
It's reasoned away (at least I hope so, I can't remember a fully satisfactory explanation from the games) and understandable (part conviction and part convenience) from a dev point of view, but it's odd that it's identical with modern western liberal views. In the past, homosexuality or bisexuality could be fairly normal; in some cultures women might even become warriors (although that's an ongoing debate), but the situation was never identical to modern western liberal values. One would expect something similarly different from Thedas.
It's one of several things that keeps the DA setting from having a real identity of its own and keeps it cardboard-thin.

Not a big thing, and understandable given the mass-market, mainstream ambitions of BioWare (at least in terms of sales), but still...

Yeah that was what I was aiming for. So much of Thedas is so heavily pseudo-medieval that whenever the sexual attitudes get brought up (which I would say is a lot more open than even a lot of places now) the contrast knocks me out of the story for a bit.

It's all about perception, I think. Even if the sexual attitudes are reasonable and explainable for Thedas, so much of the rest of the world appears too close to 'ye olde medieval tymes' for them to be anything other than jarring.

Or maybe I'm just too picky. 

[Han Shot First]

I'm all for it so long as it serves a purpose, such as completing or failing a quest, opening up a new quest, affecting how other characters interact with you, setting you up to be robbed, swindled or ambushed, provoking a fight with a jealous suitor, using sex as a means to bribing or manipulating a character, ect, ect.

It shouldn't be there however just for some silly achievement.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 juillet 2013 - 01:56 .

[Ziggeh]

CELL55 wrote...

It's all about perception, I think. Even if the sexual attitudes are reasonable and explainable for Thedas, so much of the rest of the world appears too close to 'ye olde medieval tymes' for them to be anything other than jarring.

Or maybe I'm just too picky. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

I remember having a long discussion with a chap for whom heavy armour having penalties for weight broke his suspension of disbelief. I think he owned several sets of armour. Which is to say: the specific elements that hold up immersion are so subjective that their discussion will rarely be meaningful.

I would say that the setting is largely anachronistic - that despite being roughly medieval it has elements from a span of history, many of which are strictly modern, such as it's language and use of humour. But that's fairly irrelevant, because immersion isn't logical and no argument changes your experience.

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Thedas doesn't have hundreds of years of religious bans on sexuality. Medieval Europe did. You can't compare sexual attitudes of the two because of this.

I'd say that in itself is anachronistic. One of the most interesting things about religions is their abaility to formalise and ritualise useful behavoiur without the need to explain why it's useful.

The downside being it rarely puts them down when they cease being useful
because the reason was irrelevant.

While not actually religious I like the umbrella example: people don't open umbrellas indoors because it's bad luck. It's not unlucky, what it is is ever so slightly dangerous, but being ever so slightly dangerous never stopped anyone doing anything. We adopt a useful behavoiur for reasons we don't understand.

Without access to relatively modern standards of health and cleanliness unfettered sexuality would be remarkably dangerous. The romances would be somewhat itchy affairs and Isabella would be an outright hazard. It would be unusual for their not to be a social or religious stigma associated with sexuality.

Well, either that, diseases are differently in Thedas or everyone has magic genitalia.

(I literally wrote that whole thing out in order to use the term "magic genitalia".)

Modifié par Ziggeh, 28 juillet 2013 - 02:13 .

[David7204]

Frankly, I'm against this. I think it would really cheapen the romances if the player has the option of sleeping around the whole game. At least for some of the characters.

Modifié par David7204, 28 juillet 2013 - 02:13 .

[Ziggeh]

David7204 wrote...

Frankly, I'm against this. I think it would really cheapen the romances if the player has the option of sleeping around the whole game. At least for some of the characters.

But you wouldn't be forced to? Does the fact that other sex exists cheapen monogomy?

[Han Shot First]

The sexual mores of Thedas seem more in line with ancient Europe than those of medieval Europe. So I'm not sure that a more prudish medieval attitude towards sexuality should have any bearing on what characters do or don't do with other characters in the game.

[David7204]

You wouldn't be forced to, but there's no way BioWare would be able to make characters react in a satisfying way when it should be a huge deal. They can't spend that kind of resources of on the player possibly screwing someone else. Besides, I seriously doubt it would have a satisfying and meaningful outcome.

Modifié par David7204, 28 juillet 2013 - 02:20 .

[Ziggeh]

David7204 wrote...

You wouldn't be forced to, but there's no way BioWare would be able to make characters react in a satisfying way when it should be a huge deal. They can't spend that kind of resources of on the player possibly screwing someone else. Besides, I seriously doubt it would have a satisfying and meaningful outcome.

Ahhh, I see, you mean in the reaction of the companions (or rather love interests). That's a pretty good point. the content it would require would rise exponentially.