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[David7204]

In addition, I just don't really see what this adds aside from establishing the player character as promiscuous. I frequently speak on behalf of heroism, and I face enough accusations of any heroic character being a 'power fantasy' as it is. I can defend heroism, but I'm not sure I could defend the player character having sex with 10 women thoughout the game.

Modifié par David7204, 28 juillet 2013 - 02:30 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Ziggeh wrote...

Thedas doesn't have hundreds of years of religious bans on sexuality. Medieval Europe did. You can't compare sexual attitudes of the two because of this.

I'd say that in itself is anachronistic. One of the most interesting things about religions is their abaility to formalise and ritualise useful behavoiur without the need to explain why it's useful.

The downside being it rarely puts them down when they cease being useful
because the reason was irrelevant.

While not actually religious I like the umbrella example: people don't open umbrellas indoors because it's bad luck. It's not unlucky, what it is is ever so slightly dangerous, but being ever so slightly dangerous never stopped anyone doing anything. We adopt a useful behavoiur for reasons we don't understand.

Without access to relatively modern standards of health and cleanliness unfettered sexuality would be remarkably dangerous. The romances would be somewhat itchy affairs and Isabella would be an outright hazard. It would be unusual for their not to be a social or religious stigma associated with sexuality.

Well, either that, diseases are differently in Thedas or everyone has magic genitalia.

(I literally wrote that whole thing out in order to use the term "magic genitalia".)

While you were probably joking about magic genitalia, I believe that to be partially true; if Isabella gets a disease, she can go to Anders. If this happens before she meets Anders in Kirkwall, she just finds another apostate, possibly even Anders given that they'd apparently had sex before they met in Kirkwall. If a noble gets a disease,  he or she gets a legitimate mage, or else an apostate. And the Circle mages probably only get STDs during sex with new arrivals, since healers are so easy to get there.

Even accounting for the fact that not everyone can find, can afford, or even would use a mage's services, diseases are bound to be a lot less prevalent with that option open. The prostitutes at the Blooming Rose, for instance, ought to be spreading diseases like its going out of style, yet they're probably clean most of the time since the Madam can almost certainly afford to have their diseases removed. So, while the whole hygiene thing might make the act less enjoyable, diseases are somewhat less of a problem than they could be.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 28 juillet 2013 - 02:37 .

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...

In addition, I just don't really see what this adds aside from establishing the player character as promiscuous. I frequently speak on behalf of heroism, and I face enough accusations of any heroic character being a 'power fantasy' as it is. I can defend heroism, but I'm not sure I could defend the player character having sex with 10 women thoughout the game.

My smuggler had sex with over ten woman in TOR and was still seen as a hero to many. You where saying?

[Ravensword]

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

In addition, I just don't really see what this adds aside from establishing the player character as promiscuous. I frequently speak on behalf of heroism, and I face enough accusations of any heroic character being a 'power fantasy' as it is. I can defend heroism, but I'm not sure I could defend the player character having sex with 10 women thoughout the game.

My smuggler had sex with over ten woman in TOR and was still seen as a hero to many. You where saying?

Promiscuity =/= heroism.

Modifié par Ravensword, 28 juillet 2013 - 02:35 .

[Ziggeh]

David7204 wrote...

In addition, I just don't really see what this adds aside from establishing the player character as promiscuous. I frequently speak on behalf of heroism, and I face enough accusations of any heroic character being a 'power fantasy' as it is. I can defend heroism, but I'm not sure I could defend the player character having sex with 10 women thoughout the game.

I'd file it under personality options. You can act like a really selfish, petty arse through most of these games, which isn't terribly heroic, but they'd be weaker (or perhaps less funny) for the absence of the option.

[Inquisitor Recon]

But David what's more heroic than having your name renown throughout the brothels of the land?

[Steelcan]

David is now hating on sex???? Is there no end?

[Han Shot First]

My male human noble in DA:O was sleeping with both Leliana and Morrigan, and had a fling with both Isabela (with Leliana) and the elven maid from the origin story. It didn't make him a paragon of virtue, but that was kind of the point. I was roleplaying him as more of a realistic medieval noble than a white knight from some legend.

I went the opposite route with Hawke. He was completely devoted to Isabela.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 juillet 2013 - 02:41 .

[Mr.House]

Steelcan wrote...

David is now hating on sex???? Is there no end?

He probaly hates my smuggler.

[David7204]

I don't think the player should have the ability to have explict sex with ten women just because their character is that totally awesome when it just doesn't add much meaningful content to the story.

Modifié par David7204, 28 juillet 2013 - 02:42 .

[Mr.House]

Han Shot First wrote...

My male human noble in DA:O was sleeping with both Leliana and Morrigan, and had a fling with both Isabela (with Leliana) and the elven maid from the origin story. It didn't make him a paragon of virtue, but that was kind of the point. I was roleplaying him as more of a realistic medieval noble than a white knight from some legend.

Let's see.

Joshua COusland had sex with...
Iona
Isabela
Zev
Leliana
Morrigan
Several pearl workers
A kiss from Bella
A kiss from that woman who hast he missing brother
Did the DR with Morrigan
Romanced Leli fully

So over 10 woman and a man where bedded.

[Ziggeh]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Even accounting for the fact that not everyone can find, can afford, or even would use a mage's services, diseases are bound to be a lot less prevalent with that option open. So, while the whole hygiene thing might make the act less enjoyable, diseases are somewhat less of a problem than they could be.

Good point, good point. I'd throw some caveats in their, such as the social stigma of magic, but I can't argue that wouldn't have an impact.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

I don't think the player should have the ability to have explict sex with ten women just because their character is that totally awesome when it just doesn't add much meaningful content to the story.

When does having casual sex equal meaningful content?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I vote that anything David says gets ignored until he actually plays Dragon Age. Or any other game that isn't Mass Effect for that matter.

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...

I don't think the player should have the ability to have explict sex with ten women just because their character is that totally awesome when it just doesn't add much meaningful content to the story.

Maybe the player wants to play a ladies man? You know, roleplaying, in a role playing game. My Cousland and Hawke sex life is important to their character.

[Han Shot First]

David7204 wrote...

I don't think the player should have the ability to have sex with ten women just because their character is that totally awesome when it just doesn't add much meaningful content to the story.

I do agree with this.

If a player character is going to be able to have flings with NPCs it should serve some purpose in the story, and not just be there for the sake of an achievement or wish fulfillment.

[David7204]

That's exactly the point...it doesn't add meaningful content.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

I don't think the player should have the ability to have explict sex with ten women just because their character is that totally awesome when it just doesn't add much meaningful content to the story.

heroes dont sleep around?

[Mr.House]

Han Shot First wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I don't think the player should have the ability to have sex with ten women just because their character is that totally awesome when it just doesn't add much meaningful content to the story.

I do agree with this.

If a player character is going to be able to have flings with NPCs it should serve some purpose in the story, and not just be there for the sake of an achievement or wish fulfillment.

Again why? WHy can't things exsist to establish the character you are playing.

[David7204]

Because roleplaying doesn't and shouldn't mean you get to be God and have everything go your way, including women falling at your feet. 

Modifié par David7204, 28 juillet 2013 - 02:45 .

[Ziggeh]

David7204 wrote...

I don't think the player should have the ability to have explict sex with ten women just because their character is that totally awesome when it just doesn't add much meaningful content to the story.

Fair enough, but you could use much the same argument for pretty much all of the available personality options content. They're included because they're options.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Because roleplaying doesn't and shouldn't mean you get to be God and have everything go your way, including women falling at your feet. 

Then you really have not played other RPG games

[Steelcan]

I think the Pearl adds some realism. Brothels certainly existed in Medieval times, why not let the player partake

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Because roleplaying doesn't and shouldn't mean you get to be God and have everything go your way, including women falling at your feet. 

.  A very good argument against paragon choices ALWAYS GOING YOUR WAY

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...

Because roleplaying doesn't and shouldn't mean you get to be God and have everything go your way, including women falling at your feet. 

How does going to a brothal or having sex with women you help now playing god?