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[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Perhaps I should have been more specific. I meant the actual romances. The actual romances do not sleep with you on day one.

And by stating this, you completely changed the premise of your argument to something I think we all agree on. ,

Still, you did just move the goalpost.

[David7204]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Maybe I roleplay a character that thinks it is all just a joke. Ever think of that? Wouldn't it be perfectly in-character for a character to be like that?

We're not winning hearts, we're fertilizing the flower. 

Then you'll have to find another story that features that.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Perhaps I should have been more specific. I meant the actual romances. The actual romances do not sleep with you on day one.

http://social.biowar.../index/17048700

Ares, you're trying too hard. He'll find it eventually. 

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Trying to justify anything in a story on the grounds of 'it happens in real life' is ridiculous.

There are so many infinite things that happen all the time in real life that would be utterly crap writing. 'It happens in real life' is not justification for anything.

Dude, incorporating concepts from real life makes the material identifiable with the audience.

And? They aren't legitimate solely on the basis of 'this happens in real life.'

Who said anything about "solely"? Execution is always a priority, but using elements from real life specifically because they're from real life opens doors for the writing to be relatable and authentic to those experiencing it. And no, that's not "ridiculous" or "crap writing". 

Of course, that's a broader topic than just "casual sex", but hey. 

[wolfhowwl]

General Slotts wrote...

Oh come on David, we all know you like da big butts.

I like big boats, I cannot lie.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Maybe I roleplay a character that thinks it is all just a joke. Ever think of that? Wouldn't it be perfectly in-character for a character to be like that?

We're not winning hearts, we're fertilizing the flower. 

Then you'll have to find another story that features that.

You can't talk, you never played any of the DA games

[Mr.House]

Has David played DAO yet?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Maybe I roleplay a character that thinks it is all just a joke. Ever think of that? Wouldn't it be perfectly in-character for a character to be like that?

We're not winning hearts, we're fertilizing the flower. 

Then you'll have to find another story that features that.

Really? Because I totally remember being able to vocalize by my Warden that sex is meaningless to him and that he doesn't believe in romance.

That's part of the Dragon Age story.

And I also remember being able to say something similar to Jack about casual sex. I don't actually ever do it with her, but the option is there nonetheless. And Shepard does say to Allers that no attachment keeps things simple and uncomplicated. Again, I don't actually bother with it in game, but again, the option is there.

That's part of the Mass Effect story.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 28 juillet 2013 - 03:22 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Mr.House wrote...

Has David played DAO yet?

He's played Mass Effect and knows that DA:O is a BioWare game.

What else does he need to know?

[Mr.House]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Maybe I roleplay a character that thinks it is all just a joke. Ever think of that? Wouldn't it be perfectly in-character for a character to be like that?

We're not winning hearts, we're fertilizing the flower. 

Then you'll have to find another story that features that.

Really? Because I totally remember being able to vocalize by my Warden that sex is meaningless to him and that he doesn't believe in romance.

That's part of the Dragon Age story.

And I also remember being able to say something similar to Jack about casual sex.

That's part of the Mass Effect story.

You can also do it in DA2.

[David7204]

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

And? They aren't legitimate solely on the basis of 'this happens in real life.'

Who said anything about "solely"? Execution is always a priority, but using elements from real life specifically because they're from real life opens doors for the writing to be relatable and authentic to those experiencing it. And no, that's not "ridiculous" or "crap writing". 

Of course, that's a broader topic than just "casual sex", but hey. 

Apparently, to you there's a big difference between putting in content "specifically because [it's] from real life " and putting content solely on the basis of being from real life. Could you elaborate on the difference to me? Because they sound awfully similar to me.

Modifié par David7204, 28 juillet 2013 - 03:23 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mr.House wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Maybe I roleplay a character that thinks it is all just a joke. Ever think of that? Wouldn't it be perfectly in-character for a character to be like that?

We're not winning hearts, we're fertilizing the flower. 

Then you'll have to find another story that features that.

Really? Because I totally remember being able to vocalize by my Warden that sex is meaningless to him and that he doesn't believe in romance.

That's part of the Dragon Age story.

And I also remember being able to say something similar to Jack about casual sex.

That's part of the Mass Effect story.

You can also do it in DA2.

I know. I just don't like thinking about DA2. I'm less angry that way.

[Lord Raijin]

KENNY4753 wrote...

you can have pretty much unlimited casual sex in both DA games already...The Pearl and The Blooming Rose...

Not all the time at the Blooming Rose. Madam Lusine likes to be a smartass, especially when you ask her for the bad girl/boy special

[David7204]

You can have player-character dialogue that supports pretty much anything. That doesn't mean developers should actually have characters carry through on what they say.

[David7204]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

So, if I'm getting the gist of this thread right, David doesn't want the PC to be able to visit brothels because he thinks the option existing somehow cheapens the actual romances?

Maybe not brothels, but being able to charm a dozen women into boning you just by being that awesome? Yeah.

Modifié par David7204, 28 juillet 2013 - 03:26 .

[Mr.House]

Lord Raijin wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

you can have pretty much unlimited casual sex in both DA games already...The Pearl and The Blooming Rose...

Not all the time at the Blooming Rose. Madam Lusine likes to be a smartass, especially when you ask her for the bad girl/boy special

I once got put in the back room with nothing but traps around me.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

David7204 wrote...

You can have player-character dialogue that supports pretty much anything. That doesn't mean developers should actually have characters carry through on what they say.

You do realise that both games feature a brothel in which you can screw hookers and even involve your romances in the fun?

Didn't you know that, David? Haven't you played Origins (or even DA2)?

[David7204]

Can you bone a dozen non-prostitutes just because your character says romance is meaningless and all s/he cares about is sex?

[Bionuts]

It doesn't cheapen the romances for me.

My last Hawke was a regular at the brothel, slept with Isabela, etc. However, none of that stopped me from crying like a little baby feeling emotional during the Merrimance scene (always cry feel emotional during it)

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Can you bone a dozen non-prostitutes just because your character says romance is meaningless and all s/he cares about is sex?

No. 

You can only do about 3 or 4 in DA:O. I don't remember the number in DA2.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

And? They aren't legitimate solely on the basis of 'this happens in real life.'

Who said anything about "solely"? Execution is always a priority, but using elements from real life specifically because they're from real life opens doors for the writing to be relatable and authentic to those experiencing it. And no, that's not "ridiculous" or "crap writing". 

Of course, that's a broader topic than just "casual sex", but hey. 

Apparently, to you there's a big difference between putting in content "specifically because [it's] from real life " and putting content solely on the basis of being from real life. Could you elaborate on the difference to me?

Simple: you handle it properly, without leaning on "it happens in real life" as an excuse. 

As I said, incorporating real-life concepts opens doors, but it's up to the writing's quality to take the audience through those doors. 

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...

Can you bone a dozen non-prostitutes just because your character says romance is meaningless and all s/he cares about is sex?

I named the npcs oyu could have sex with, alog with kissing. It's been in both games, DAI will 99% have it along with prostitutes.

[Mr.House]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Can you bone a dozen non-prostitutes just because your character says romance is meaningless and all s/he cares about is sex?

No. 

You can only do about 3 or 4 in DA:O. I don't remember the number in DA2.

Fenris and Isabela have a casual fling(as in it's a fling, there is no romance past  depending on dialog) and Zev.