I'm really eager to start my first playthrough with a female Warden and I plan on making her romance Alistair and I want to end it with a pleasant note but I'm not sure which route to take?
I can't decide whether I should have Alistair be king and have my Warden be his queen
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Let Anora rule alone and let Alistair rebuild the Grey Wardens with my Warden.
This was been bothering me a lot and I'd really appreciate anyone helping me out here.
In which ending do they seem happier?
Heh, it seems silly to be bothered by all of this but I can't help it; I want them to be happy!
Also, are there any repercussions to my decisions and are they severe? Would they mention Alistair's relationship with my Warden in DA2?
Thank you for your time!
Romancing Alistair - Best Possible Ending?
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 10:31
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Well Alistair doesn't really want to be king, and unless you actually change him, he will not be happy being king. Although he will take to the role fine if hardened and they seem pretty happy, but bear in mind if you want to marry him, your only option is HN. But the slides in awakening suggest the warden eventually disappears and leaves him behind.
Being together as wardens, would probably be the happiest for them. Alistair gets to stay a warden which he loves and he can be with the woman he love, plus you can be whatever race or origin. I can't remember if the slides show them disappearing together as wardens.
And whether you marry him or remain wardens with him, their relationship will be referenced in DA2, though the warden mention is bugged, there is a mod to fix that if you are on pc.
Being together as wardens, would probably be the happiest for them. Alistair gets to stay a warden which he loves and he can be with the woman he love, plus you can be whatever race or origin. I can't remember if the slides show them disappearing together as wardens.
And whether you marry him or remain wardens with him, their relationship will be referenced in DA2, though the warden mention is bugged, there is a mod to fix that if you are on pc.
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 10:35
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That's an easy one my dear. Being queen gives her a life of fame, fortune, and especially, personal servants and extremely comfy beds.
Being just a Grey Warden is dirty and tiresome. Have some ambition.
And yes they do mention the relationship in DA2, I believe either way; definitely if they're king and queen.
Being just a Grey Warden is dirty and tiresome. Have some ambition.
And yes they do mention the relationship in DA2, I believe either way; definitely if they're king and queen.
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Posté 27 juillet 2013 - 11:51
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Warden-Commanders have all those things too. The first two basically all the time, and the second two whenever they're not out fighting. (And the Warden-Commander doesn't need to go fight darkspawn, as long as she recruits a sufficient number of minions and doesn't get bored with not doing so.)
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Posté 28 juillet 2013 - 12:32
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Be wardens. Running around the countryside having adventures fighting back-to-back? Quite romantic. I'm sure being King is way overrated - I'm sure it's a lot of tedious politics.
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Posté 28 juillet 2013 - 12:37
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Warden ending, but I'm biased since I play as CE.
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Posté 28 juillet 2013 - 02:02
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Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Warden-Commanders have all those things too. The first two basically all the time, and the second two whenever they're not out fighting. (And the Warden-Commander doesn't need to go fight darkspawn, as long as she recruits a sufficient number of minions and doesn't get bored with not doing so.)
She can be both!
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Posté 28 juillet 2013 - 02:12
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Secretlyapotato wrote...
Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Warden-Commanders have all those things too. The first two basically all the time, and the second two whenever they're not out fighting. (And the Warden-Commander doesn't need to go fight darkspawn, as long as she recruits a sufficient number of minions and doesn't get bored with not doing so.)
She can be both!
She has to choose one for Alistair to be.
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Posté 28 juillet 2013 - 08:02
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Hmm, maybe I will be Wardens with Alistair and go on adventures and do ~things~ in the woods after all.
I never really had a legit reason to be Queen other than my character occasionally popping up in my head and going all Margaery Tyrell "I want to be THE Queen" on me
I know that if she became Queen, Alistair will mentioned her as "the old ball and chain" and I'm sure that's just witty banter but I can't help but think if there's trouble in paradise?
Alrighty then!
Thank you so much for replying! I really couldn't have done it without your help
I never really had a legit reason to be Queen other than my character occasionally popping up in my head and going all Margaery Tyrell "I want to be THE Queen" on me
I know that if she became Queen, Alistair will mentioned her as "the old ball and chain" and I'm sure that's just witty banter but I can't help but think if there's trouble in paradise?
Alrighty then!
Thank you so much for replying! I really couldn't have done it without your help
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Posté 28 juillet 2013 - 12:02
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Personally I'd go with Alistair remaining Grey Warden/adventuring with Warden-Commander. Even hardened Alistair is not so sure about becoming a king. And I believe (no matter what), in Awakening ending they disappear together.
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Posté 28 juillet 2013 - 06:27
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Took out my spoilery spoilers about my favorite way to play out Alistair's romance.
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Posté 29 juillet 2013 - 02:46
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go with what comes naturally. Thats what I did on my first play through. It lets you know if the romance was meant to be
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Posté 29 juillet 2013 - 03:13
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You have to prevent Anora from executing him if she becomes queen and he doesn't become king.
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Posté 29 juillet 2013 - 04:14
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tansyuduri wrote...
go with what comes naturally. Thats what I did on my first play through. It lets you know if the romance was meant to be
Playing blind, I would have gone into the Landsmeet with unhardened Alistair and spared Loghain.
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You have to prevent Anora from executing him if she becomes queen and he doesn't become king.
I believe this only comes into play if Loghain is spared.
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Posté 29 juillet 2013 - 05:48
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Shinobu wrote...
Angrywolves wrote...
You have to prevent Anora from executing him if she becomes queen and he doesn't become king.
I believe this only comes into play if Loghain is spared.
If you don't spare Loghain, and Anora becomes queen, all Anora does is demand that Alistair take an oath disqualifying himself and his heirs from ever taking the throne. He does so quickly and casually without taking even a second to think about it.
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I think it's better to let Anora rule alone and let Alistair remain with the Grey Wardens.
Take his feelings into consideration for a moment. He NEVER wanted to be king, and he LOVES being a Grey Warden. Also, his childhood involved people making his life decisions for him without considering what he wants (making him sleep in stables, join the Chantry, etc). One of the reasons he adores Duncan is because he feels like Duncan considered what HE wanted. Regardless of whether or not it's true, it's how Alistair feels. You want to be like Eamon: a human noble making him be something he hates because it benefits you? Or (Alistair's view of) Duncan: an awesome Grey Warden that lets him be with the Grey Wardens because a) he's good at it,
it makes him happy?
To me, it's a no-brainer.
As for the Warden: as others have said, only the boring human noble can be queen. Who wants that? Any Warden from any background can remain with the Wardens and you two can remain awesome and badass together. Nothing like fighting darkspawn to keep the passion alive!
Take his feelings into consideration for a moment. He NEVER wanted to be king, and he LOVES being a Grey Warden. Also, his childhood involved people making his life decisions for him without considering what he wants (making him sleep in stables, join the Chantry, etc). One of the reasons he adores Duncan is because he feels like Duncan considered what HE wanted. Regardless of whether or not it's true, it's how Alistair feels. You want to be like Eamon: a human noble making him be something he hates because it benefits you? Or (Alistair's view of) Duncan: an awesome Grey Warden that lets him be with the Grey Wardens because a) he's good at it,
it makes him happy?To me, it's a no-brainer.
As for the Warden: as others have said, only the boring human noble can be queen. Who wants that? Any Warden from any background can remain with the Wardens and you two can remain awesome and badass together. Nothing like fighting darkspawn to keep the passion alive!
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My hardened Alistair seemed pretty sure about wanting to become king! And he pretty vehemently states that he can't stand the idea of Anora being on the throne. He is described in the epilogue to adore his Warden wife.
But it is indeed sad that if you marry Alistair, the Awakenings epilogue states that you disappear a few years later (the implication being that Alistair is left behind), but if you are in a romance and don't marry him, then you both disappear together, whether he is the king or just a warden.
But it is indeed sad that if you marry Alistair, the Awakenings epilogue states that you disappear a few years later (the implication being that Alistair is left behind), but if you are in a romance and don't marry him, then you both disappear together, whether he is the king or just a warden.
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Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 04:16
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Faerunner wrote...
I think it's better to let Anora rule alone and let Alistair remain with the Grey Wardens.
Take his feelings into consideration for a moment. He NEVER wanted to be king, and he LOVES being a Grey Warden. Also, his childhood involved people making his life decisions for him without considering what he wants (making him sleep in stables, join the Chantry, etc). One of the reasons he adores Duncan is because he feels like Duncan considered what HE wanted. Regardless of whether or not it's true, it's how Alistair feels. You want to be like Eamon: a human noble making him be something he hates because it benefits you? Or (Alistair's view of) Duncan: an awesome Grey Warden that lets him be with the Grey Wardens because a) he's good at it,
To me, it's a no-brainer.
As for the Warden: as others have said, only the boring human noble can be queen. Who wants that? Any Warden from any background can remain with the Wardens and you two can remain awesome and badass together. Nothing like fighting darkspawn to keep the passion alive!
Exactly! I agree that it's a no-brainer: Alistair wants to stay a Grey Warden, Anora wants to remain Queen. Everyone's happy (except Eamon and I suppose the City Elves). Staying as Wardens and adventuring with Alistair is much more romantic IMO. They won't have the added stress of producing heirs, either.
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Alistair is happy as long as he's with the Warden. And "best possible ending" depends on your outlook.
I generally save Connor, let Alistair not be king/rule alongside Alistair, kill Loghain, save Amalia by tricking Kitty, slay the High Dragon that the cultists worship, save the Circle, et cetera. All ideal happily-ever-afters. But I recently finished I playthrough with my Dwarf Commoner.
With Faren, unlike most of my other Warden's, I ignored the future. The Warden is not omnipotent, and doesn't know how things are going to turn out. Because of that, Faren killed Connor because he couldn't risk leaving Connor alone while he tries to seek aid from the Circle. Cullen's warning got to him, and he knew he couldn't risk letting any mages live. He hardened Alistair and made him be king even though Alistair became furious at him for it because it was best for Ferelden. He didn't slay the High Dragon because he didn't know if he could beat it and thought it would be best to just sneak past it. With Faren I took it from a complete ignorant, RP standpoint.Some of these things ended terribly, but part of me loves that. It really enhances the RP aspect, and, while not perfect, is slightly more interesting. Similarly, with my Warden Elodie, she sides with Branka because she needs Branka's help to settle the election. She doesn't know if Caridin's would help her or not. Even if she did pity the werewolves (she didn't), she needed the help of the Dalish, and if that meant killing Witherfang and letting the werewolves continue to suffer, so be it. She needs Alistair on the throne, and she needs all the Wardens she can get. So will she trade Alistair for Loghain? Absolutely.
So instead of asking, "Which is the happier ending" perhaps you should instead ask, "What would my Warden do".
And that pretty much sums up my rant of the day.
EDIT: Adding in on which ending I think is better for the Human Noble and Alistair, I prefer having them rule together. Eamon's not the only one who will be unhappy. There were two views of the rebels who wanted to take down the Orlesian usurpor on the throne, While both believed the Orlesians and the crazy usurpor on the throne needed to go, what came next differed:
The second view is more commonly held, people who hold the view include the late Queen Rowan, Eamon's older sister, among others. Even people who don't necessarily agree with it know it's the only thing that will work (including Katriel and Loghain). When Ferelden is divided, someone of the Calenhad bloodline is the best to unite the land. Which is especially crucial in desperate times like the rebellion or the Blight.
Focusing solely on which ending I think is happier/sappier/romantic-er, I'd also have to say the ending where they become king and queen. I think it's cute how the epilogue says that the people loved how Alistair adored his bride and whatnot, and seeing how happy he is to see her in Awakening, and the dialogue Teagan has with Alistair in DAII if he married the Warden. It seems more likely to me that Alistair and the Warden would be able to spend more time together if they were married, whereas if they both remained Wardens, they might have seperate missions and whatnot. I also love the little dialogue Alistair has with you after you tell everyone at the Landsmeet that you'll marry him.
"I mean, I like the idea, but are you sure?"
"Am I sure I want to marry you? Yes."
"Oh. Good. Then I guess that saves me from having to ask you."
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I generally save Connor, let Alistair not be king/rule alongside Alistair, kill Loghain, save Amalia by tricking Kitty, slay the High Dragon that the cultists worship, save the Circle, et cetera. All ideal happily-ever-afters. But I recently finished I playthrough with my Dwarf Commoner.
With Faren, unlike most of my other Warden's, I ignored the future. The Warden is not omnipotent, and doesn't know how things are going to turn out. Because of that, Faren killed Connor because he couldn't risk leaving Connor alone while he tries to seek aid from the Circle. Cullen's warning got to him, and he knew he couldn't risk letting any mages live. He hardened Alistair and made him be king even though Alistair became furious at him for it because it was best for Ferelden. He didn't slay the High Dragon because he didn't know if he could beat it and thought it would be best to just sneak past it. With Faren I took it from a complete ignorant, RP standpoint.Some of these things ended terribly, but part of me loves that. It really enhances the RP aspect, and, while not perfect, is slightly more interesting. Similarly, with my Warden Elodie, she sides with Branka because she needs Branka's help to settle the election. She doesn't know if Caridin's would help her or not. Even if she did pity the werewolves (she didn't), she needed the help of the Dalish, and if that meant killing Witherfang and letting the werewolves continue to suffer, so be it. She needs Alistair on the throne, and she needs all the Wardens she can get. So will she trade Alistair for Loghain? Absolutely.
So instead of asking, "Which is the happier ending" perhaps you should instead ask, "What would my Warden do".
And that pretty much sums up my rant of the day.
EDIT: Adding in on which ending I think is better for the Human Noble and Alistair, I prefer having them rule together. Eamon's not the only one who will be unhappy. There were two views of the rebels who wanted to take down the Orlesian usurpor on the throne, While both believed the Orlesians and the crazy usurpor on the throne needed to go, what came next differed:
- As long as we get that usurpor off the throne - it's all good (Maric held this viewpoint at first)
- Ferelden tradition needs to be continued. So long as a descendent of King Calenhad lives, they must rule over Ferelden.
The second view is more commonly held, people who hold the view include the late Queen Rowan, Eamon's older sister, among others. Even people who don't necessarily agree with it know it's the only thing that will work (including Katriel and Loghain). When Ferelden is divided, someone of the Calenhad bloodline is the best to unite the land. Which is especially crucial in desperate times like the rebellion or the Blight.
Focusing solely on which ending I think is happier/sappier/romantic-er, I'd also have to say the ending where they become king and queen. I think it's cute how the epilogue says that the people loved how Alistair adored his bride and whatnot, and seeing how happy he is to see her in Awakening, and the dialogue Teagan has with Alistair in DAII if he married the Warden. It seems more likely to me that Alistair and the Warden would be able to spend more time together if they were married, whereas if they both remained Wardens, they might have seperate missions and whatnot. I also love the little dialogue Alistair has with you after you tell everyone at the Landsmeet that you'll marry him.
"I mean, I like the idea, but are you sure?"
"Am I sure I want to marry you? Yes."
"Oh. Good. Then I guess that saves me from having to ask you."
XD
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My hardened Alistair seemed pretty sure about wanting to become king! And he pretty vehemently states that he can't stand the idea of Anora being on the throne.
Mine didn't. I had to play the Landsmeet three or four times, picking different options, to try and simulate having a reasonable "Dude, what do YOU want" conversation ahead of time.
I did eventually give him the throne on that PT (Zevromancing Brosca, so queenship didn't enter the picture) but it wasn't at all an obvious or easy call for me.
If I were to romance him without That One Damn Ending occurring, I'd leave him a Warden. But the One Damn Ending is pretty good (even if it also has ~Issues~).
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My hardened Alistair seemed pretty sure about wanting to become king! And he pretty vehemently states that he can't stand the idea of Anora being on the throne. He is described in the epilogue to adore his Warden wife.
No offense, but I never saw that. I was planning on making him a hardened king in one playthrough but still felt guilty about making him something he doesn't want, so my Warden kept questioning him about the throne to get some sign that he might want it. No such affirmation. (Thankfully, after letting him fight Loghain, Eamon declared he was king on the spot, so I was off the hook.)
Not wanting Anora on the throne =/= wanting the throne for its own sake.
He might be happy with the Warden, but that doesn't mean he's happy with the situation, or as happy as he could be with a job and life he loves. I can love a guy to pieces, but my overall happiness wouldn't be as high if he arranged for us to live in a place I hate, doing a job I can't stand, as opposed to having a home and a job I adore.Alistair is happy as long as he's with the Warden. And "best possible ending" depends on your outlook.
Contrary to popular belief, "Love" doesn't conquer all. "Love" is not enough.
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Exactly! I agree that it's a no-brainer: Alistair wants to stay a Grey Warden, Anora wants to remain Queen. Everyone's happy (except Eamon and I suppose the City Elves). Staying as Wardens and adventuring with Alistair is much more romantic IMO. They won't have the added stress of producing heirs, either.
Exactly, I agree. Can't say I lose sleep over how Eamon feels after the way he treated Alistair growing up, but the City Elf part kills me. I don't like the way Anora handles the Alienage, but a protagonist that romances Alistair really can't in good conscious claim to love him and then disregard his wishes by making him be something he hates, in my book.
Double Edit: I agree about adventuring. I see a lot of fics and fan art that gush about how romantic it is for the royal couple to take time out of their stressful schedules or boring paperwork to cuddle, and it just seems boring to me. Travel, adventure, fighting darkspawn, cuddling around a fire, laughing and telling stories with other Wardens, being the ideal couple that junior Wardens envy and senior Wardens disapprove of, being free to go wherever they want when they aren't on the clock all sounds way more fun and romantic to me.
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It never seemed to me that Alistair would "hate" being king, in fact afterwards he seems to like it just fine. He just seems weak and hesitant to lead and afraid of the power and responsibilities that come with it. (which he overcomes if he's hardened) Tis why I have no problems pushing him towards that direction.
And I'm sure they'll travel a lot if they're royalty, that's exactly what Alistair does in DAII. (Only as king you get to do it in styyyyyyle)
And I'm sure they'll travel a lot if they're royalty, that's exactly what Alistair does in DAII. (Only as king you get to do it in styyyyyyle)
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I agree with Secretlyapotato.
I honestly don't think Alistair would see the Warden that often if he stays a Warden. At the end of the game, I talk to him and he's like "Well, I'm probably never gonna see you again, soooooo thanks for everything, I guess
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And while I agree that love doesn't conquer all, I still think that, with these two possible outcomes, Alistair would be happy either way, since he's with the Warden. Whether king or a Warden, he'd be happy. I'm not saying he'd be happy in prison with the Warden, I mean out of these two choices.
As for the City Elf, I guess it depends. I mean, my Dwarf Commoner understood where Alistair was coming from. Hating how something you were born into that you can't control shapes your life, but I think it's because of that that he knows Alistair must be king. The Dwarf Commoner had to do a lot of **** growing up because of being casteless. But he had to. You might not want it, but it's your duty, and you need to fulfill it. It might not make you happy, but if it makes someone you care about happy, then that's all that really matters. At the funeral, Alistair even says that the Warden helped him to understand that he was needed on the throne. Especially if you know the history of Ferelden, you know why it's important for Alistair to take the throne. There's no such thing as happily ever after. In order for someone to be smiling, someone else has to have suffered.
I'm a glass-half-full kinda person.
I honestly don't think Alistair would see the Warden that often if he stays a Warden. At the end of the game, I talk to him and he's like "Well, I'm probably never gonna see you again, soooooo thanks for everything, I guess
"And while I agree that love doesn't conquer all, I still think that, with these two possible outcomes, Alistair would be happy either way, since he's with the Warden. Whether king or a Warden, he'd be happy. I'm not saying he'd be happy in prison with the Warden, I mean out of these two choices.
As for the City Elf, I guess it depends. I mean, my Dwarf Commoner understood where Alistair was coming from. Hating how something you were born into that you can't control shapes your life, but I think it's because of that that he knows Alistair must be king. The Dwarf Commoner had to do a lot of **** growing up because of being casteless. But he had to. You might not want it, but it's your duty, and you need to fulfill it. It might not make you happy, but if it makes someone you care about happy, then that's all that really matters. At the funeral, Alistair even says that the Warden helped him to understand that he was needed on the throne. Especially if you know the history of Ferelden, you know why it's important for Alistair to take the throne. There's no such thing as happily ever after. In order for someone to be smiling, someone else has to have suffered.
I'm a glass-half-full kinda person.
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Secretlyapotato wrote...
It never seemed to me that Alistair would "hate" being king, in fact afterwards he seems to like it just fine. He just seems weak and hesitant to lead and afraid of the power and responsibilities that come with it. (which he overcomes if he's hardened) Tis why I have no problems pushing him towards that direction.
I guess "hate" is the wrong word, but it's definitely something he never, ever, ever wanted. Alistair consistently expresses a very strong desire not to be king if unhardened, and only wants to if hardened just to keep Anora from gaining too much power because he doesn't trust her. Even the DA comic books by David Gaider seem to have King Alistair constantly angsting about how he still feels it was a mistake to make him king. Doesn't sound like he wants or enjoys it at any stage of his life to me.
Bleh. I'm not talking about moving from court to court, castle to castle just to talk to the local nobles and high clerics about politics and petty squabbles over land and status by people who already have so much (God, that's Hell to me), I'm talking about actually going places, seeing the world, and enjoying what local landscapes, cities, towns, peoples and cultures have to offer. As Zevran says, a country's true character can be found among it's poor (or lower classes), which the Wardens can see while the royals don't.And I'm sure they'll travel a lot if they're royalty, that's exactly what Alistair does in DAII. (Only as king you get to do it in styyyyyyle)
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I agree with Secretlyapotato.
I honestly don't think Alistair would see the Warden that often if he stays a Warden. At the end of the game, I talk to him and he's like "Well, I'm probably never gonna see you again, soooooo thanks for everything, I guess
Did you romance him in that playthrough? Because when I did it he made it pretty clear that they're going to stay together, and the epilogue slides enforce it. It might depend on what boon you accept from Anora and what you tell her you plan to do next.
I say again, being with someone you love is not enough to make your life truly happy because you're only sharing your life with that person; that person isn't your life. You can love them and enjoy being around them, but you can't be together 100% of the time, and you won't even like being around each other 100% of the time. If you hate where you are and what you do, their presence alone isn't enough to make you as happy as you would be if you enjoy your life and/or job.And while I agree that love doesn't conquer all, I still think that, with these two possible outcomes, Alistair would be happy either way, since he's with the Warden. Whether king or a Warden, he'd be happy. I'm not saying he'd be happy in prison with the Warden, I mean out of these two choices.
That's why I say "'Love' isn't enough." Love isn't enough to make up for a job you hate (which, again, Gaider's comic seems to hint continues even after he's crowned). It's also why I think, from a purely romantic perspective, the Grey Warden ending would be better than the royal ending because I think Alistair is happier as a Grey Warden that would make the relationship happier too. (Plus, I just think the Grey Warden lifestyle is better than the royal one.
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