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[grey_wind]

HellbirdIV wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

You can't even get the Morinth option unless you're heavily devoted to Renegade anyways. It has no bearing on players like yourself, who wouldn't bother to begin with.

Kind of missing the point; The fact the option even exists is completley ridiculous.
It's not a "Renegade" option, it's an "EVIL:devil:" option, which is completley out of character even for the most Renegade Shepard possible.

To be completely fair, Samara vows to kill a Renegade Shepard. When Shepard's faced with the choice of a religious vigilante who's going to stop at nothing to kill him the moment her oath expires versus an equally powerful vampire whose mind-control he's resistant to, one can see why Morinth is a slightly more appealing choice to certain Renegades.

This is strictly talking in ME2 terms and not what happens with Samara's and Morinth's characters in ME3.

[HellbirdIV]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

To that end, Samara compulsively murders too. She just does it over
Justicar-zealotry rather than over a disease.

Which means she's not killing compulsively. She makes a choice every time she kills, just like Shepard does. Morinth is literally addicted to murdering people.

grey_wind wrote...

To be completely fair, Samara vows to kill a Renegade Shepard. When Shepard's faced with the choice of a religious vigilante who's going to stop at nothing to kill him the moment her oath expires versus an equally powerful vampire whose mind-control he's resistant to, one can see why Morinth is a slightly more appealing choice to certain Renegades.

That stopped apparently none of them from doing the Morinth sex scene... So much for that mind-control resistance, eh?

And Samara says she might be bound by the code to kill Shepard, but never does, regardless of your degree of Renegade-ness at the end of the suicide mission. Which is kind of what I meant when I said Samara doesn't kill out of compulsion, but by choice.

StreetMagic wrote...

In any case, the more options the
better, I think.

In most cases I would agree with you. I much prefer having more options open to the player to roleplay, however Shepard is still a defined character within a set of parameters. That's what makes the cartoonishly evil choices seem so out of place.

On the flipside, I find it becomes a nuisance when Shepard can't/won't forgive/help people who have essentially just ****ed up trying to do the right thing (See: Tela Vasir). Given the other times that same option is available, it also seems "out of character", y'know?

I'm just noting that I'm not opposed to more choices, I just wish those choices to make some kind of logical sense.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 29 juillet 2013 - 02:02 .

[grey_wind]

HellbirdIV wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

To that end, Samara compulsively murders too. She just does it over
Justicar-zealotry rather than over a disease.

Which means she's not killing compulsively. She makes a choice every time she kills, just like Shepard does. Morinth is literally addicted to murdering people.

grey_wind wrote...

To be completely fair, Samara vows to kill a Renegade Shepard. When Shepard's faced with the choice of a religious vigilante who's going to stop at nothing to kill him the moment her oath expires versus an equally powerful vampire whose mind-control he's resistant to, one can see why Morinth is a slightly more appealing choice to certain Renegades.

That stopped apparently none of them from doing the Morinth sex scene... So much for that mind-control resistance, eh?

And Samara says she might be bound by the code to kill Shepard, but never does, regardless of your degree of Renegade-ness at the end of the suicide mission. Which is kind of what I meant when I said Samara doesn't kill out of compulsion, but by choice.

Come on. We all know the purple ending ain't canon. 

And Samara's vow to kill you was something I expected to materialize in ME3. It's a little unreasonable to think it'll happen in ME2 considering the SM is the endgame and tons of players just stop playing after the Suicide Mission is over.

[David7204]

If I brought a ME 2 squadmate to ME 3, I'm pretty sure I would pick Samara.

[HellbirdIV]

grey_wind wrote...

And Samara's vow to kill you was something I expected to materialize in ME3.

Yeah, especially considering how awful the Renegade option at the end of the Lessus mission is you'd think she would have wanted to kill off Shepard before she offs herself...

David7204 wrote...

If I brought a ME 2 squadmate to ME 3, I'm pretty sure I would pick Samara.

Hell yeah. Pull, Reave and uses Assault Rifles?

Fortunately, Kaidan is almost as good.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 29 juillet 2013 - 02:04 .

[David7204]

It's incredibly difficult to take such people seriously.

Pretty much the same thing for people advocating very silly Renegade choices on the BSN, honestly.

[David7204]

Paragon or Renegade, Shepard is always the 'good' guy in the story. It's reasonable for him or her to always be against blowing up a building full of innocent people. Particularly when the Shadow Broker nearly killed someone s/he canonically cares about.

Modifié par David7204, 29 juillet 2013 - 02:11 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

HellbirdIV wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

To that end, Samara compulsively murders too. She just does it over
Justicar-zealotry rather than over a disease.

Which means she's not killing compulsively. She makes a choice every time she kills, just like Shepard does. Morinth is literally addicted to murdering people.

She makes no choice.

All that matters to Samara is what the 'Code tells her to do, like Morinth only cares about getting her fix.

Morinth actually has a better excuse. Addiction is somewhat excusible (and can be fought). Fundamentalism is not.

[David7204]

StreetMagic wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's incredibly difficult to take such people seriously.

Pretty much the same thing for people advocating very silly Renegade choices on the BSN, honestly.

Why do you blame players for the Renegade choices? They don't make the games.

I'm not 'blaming' anyone. And I have no problems with the existence of the very silly Renegade choices. I merely said that their defenders are difficult to take seriously, as are people who defend Caesar's Legion from New Vegas.

[David7204]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's incredibly difficult to take such people seriously.

Who, Caesar?

You know, learning how to use the quote function some day might come in handy for you.

Players who defend Caesar, yes.

Modifié par David7204, 29 juillet 2013 - 02:11 .

[dreamgazer]

Which renegade choices are silly again, David?

[David7204]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

She makes no choice.

All that matters to Samara is what the 'Code tells her to do, like Morinth only cares about getting her fix.

Morinth actually has a better excuse. Addiction is somewhat excusible (and can be fought). Fundamentalism is not.

Samara made a choice to accept the code.

[MACharlie1]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

To that end, Samara compulsively murders too. She just does it over
Justicar-zealotry rather than over a disease.

Which means she's not killing compulsively. She makes a choice every time she kills, just like Shepard does. Morinth is literally addicted to murdering people.

She makes no choice.

All that matters to Samara is what the 'Code tells her to do, like Morinth only cares about getting her fix.

Morinth actually has a better excuse. Addiction is somewhat excusible (and can be fought). Fundamentalism is not.

Yeah - sorry - addiction is in no way EXCUSABLE. Understand the difference between the words "excuse" and "justification". 

[David7204]

dreamgazer wrote...

Which renegade choices are silly again, David?

Mostly the killing of people who are clearly on your side and willing to help you. But also the gleeful excitement that comes over part of the BSN when the idea of genocide comes up. The people making elaborate and very serious arguments on why the asari or quarians or whatever need to die.

Modifié par David7204, 29 juillet 2013 - 02:15 .

[Taboo]

Next time someone successfully treats a sociopath please let me know. I'm sure medical science would be glad to hear about it.

[TheGreatDayne]

Nah, I actually had 4 ME2 playthroughs that all had different choices... Well, that is I did, then my PS3 broke... and now, I am all burnt out of my interest to play that game... Curse you, drastically different controls between each games for making me not willing to play previous games, again!

Man, and I REALLY wanted to do a playthrough where I kill as many killable NPCs as possible!

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Which renegade choices are silly again, David?

Mostly the killing of people who are clearly on your side and willing to help you. But also the gleeful excitement that comes over part of the BSN when the idea of genocide comes up. The people making elaborate and very serious arguments on why the asari or quarians or whatever need to die.

That mindset doesn't really have anything to do with renegade choices in the game, though. Some renegades tend to go that far with their outlook, but it's certainly not one-for-one.  They don't speak for all. 

My renegade adept and neutral-renegon engineer aren't gleeful sociopaths, for example.