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[Mcfly616]

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So early on in the Trilogy's development, some at Bioware were thinking Shepard would eventually turn to Reaper technology in order to "achieve the games goals". He/she would've essentially walked the same path as Saren. He/she would've become corrupted.....

I don't necessarily agree with the writers opinions on everything discussed , but it is interesting regardless of their opinions.

Now, some may think the idea intriguing. But I'd imagine that a specific sect of people who hate the endings particularly because they incorrectly think of them as the "Reapers choices", would've been absolutely outraged with the concept of "ReaperShep".



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Modifié par Mcfly616, 28 juillet 2013 - 04:06 .

[Karlone123]

Hell of a lot more interesting than the underdog path. This would have the storyline I would have liked to have seen this storyline of becoming the thing you were fighting against instead of being the underdog hero again.

Modifié par Karlone123, 28 juillet 2013 - 04:09 .

[Bleachrude]

It's CONCEPT art.

Of course as a "what could have been" it's easy to say "that sounds so awesome..been much better". What this ignores is that executon would be the devil in the details....think about it for a moment, people decry the auto-dialogue as taking control away from them...can you imagine the outcry if Bioware simply took  your entire character away and said, "ok, you are now a reaper slave and you have to play as kaidan or ashley

As an aside, given that so many ME characters are based on real world people (samara, jack, maleshep, miranda, TiM) , why is Tali's being based on a a stock picture so bad?

[Karlone123]

StreetMagic wrote...

Kaidan and Ashley are some of the poorest characters they've made imHo (I feel bad saying that though, because I used to talk to Stormwaltz a lot on a private board). It'd suck to have play as them. I'm bored by everything they represent.. the kind of typical Alliance soldier type. I already dislike Shepard being an Alliance buttboy again in ME3, but you get some freedom with it. With Kaidan and Ash you wouldn't.

I'd hate to see a repeat in having to be a lapdog to for the Alliance again.They did say the next protaganist will not be "Shepard 2.0" meaning anything really. It really depends on what game we're getting, if it's a spinoff then we'll probably be playing Garrus as much as a boring idea that is. All I can see is Garrus doing trick shots and delivering punch lines that will make me cringe. Or a prequel that could be about the First Contact War meaning we'll be Human and in the Alliance...again. I really do hate the Alliance. All I know is I hope Bioware tries ro deliver a game that was enjoyable and dynamic like ME2 was, and not another stale game like ME3.

[AlexMBrennan]

Well, it sounds better than the "Shepard is secretly an alien" idea (what, are there no mirrors in the future? "Oh noes, I appear to not have arms or legs but there are these tentacles. Oh well, I'm sure it's nothing")

[N7recruit]

Shepard turning to Reaper Tech to augment their power's in terms of gameplay would have been cool if they became OP as ****. But in terms of story it would just be the same story as TIM and Cerberus
"I have a great idea, I'll implant myself with mind controlling reaper tech to somehow beat them! Nothing could possibly go wrong here so I won't bother taking any precautions!" & if they just ended up like Saren or TIM(massive waste of potential) then **** THAT.

Shepard is already trans human which added diddly squat to the character + there would have to be a very compelling reason to go down Sarens path & seeing how that ended I don't see the point.

Potentially cool? Yep. Would have it been good? Probably not.

[kathic]

If I had a choice between that bad stock photo and that bald ugly Tali I would choose the photo. That said I never wanted her face revealed anyway.

[Karlone123]

I was kind of expecting a reveal to happen that Shepard was implanted with Reaper cybertech, I mean it would seem that Reaper tech properly used could revive someone from near death and probably have some major consequence for Shepard at the chance of being contolled. But now the cybernetics are nothing more than a crunch for Shepard to survive from and provide no additional advantages like enchanced strength.

[Karlone123]

kathic wrote...

If I had a choice between that bad stock photo and that bald ugly Tali I would choose the photo. That said I never wanted her face revealed anyway.

I would have kind of figured looks would not matter with Tali as that's how the relationship started off, I viewed the whole relationship as breaking social barriers and not going by the Human way of relationship by being with someone because they are considered attractive.

[Mcfly616]

Where does it say you would "play" as Kaidan or Ashley? I don't think it ever said that.


Just double checked. It doesn't say that. Nor does it imply it. It just says that Shepard would be "confronted" by one of them (I'm thinking sort of like the Citadel coup)

Modifié par Mcfly616, 28 juillet 2013 - 05:25 .

[Mcfly616]

Karlone123 wrote...

kathic wrote...

If I had a choice between that bad stock photo and that bald ugly Tali I would choose the photo. That said I never wanted her face revealed anyway.

I would have kind of figured looks would not matter with Tali as that's how the relationship started off, I viewed the whole relationship as breaking social barriers and not going by the Human way of relationship by being with someone because they are considered attractive.

Exactly. Which is why if I were a Talimancer, I would've preferred her face never been revealed. I figure if you like her, it was never about her looks. You like her for who she is. Not to mention I'm a fan of mysteriousness.

Anyways, if they really had to reveal it, it should've been rendered in-game....and she should've looked like an alien that has spent nearly every second of her life in a suit. Not some superficial crossbreed between a human and a space elf

Someone came up with a good idea in a separate thread the other day. Having her mask get partially cracked during the beam run and semi-revealing it.

[enayasoul]

I for one would have disliked Shepard using reaper tech within himself just to win. You can see where that got the illusive man in the end. Indoctrinated and dead.

My shep was there to destroy the reapers and stop the cycle. Not to join them! I refuse to even consider the other two endings because it reaks of reapers winning and getting what they want. No. Do not want... ever.

Just my opinion...

[Sir DeLoria]

Karlone123 wrote...

kathic wrote...

If I had a choice between that bad stock photo and that bald ugly Tali I would choose the photo. That said I never wanted her face revealed anyway.

I would have kind of figured looks would not matter with Tali as that's how the relationship started off, I viewed the whole relationship as breaking social barriers and not going by the Human way of relationship by being with someone because they are considered attractive.

Quarians were always supposed to be beautiful, why would they make Tali ugly. One of the ideas behind her, is the hidden beauty concept. She's pretty, but can't show it.

Modifié par Necanor, 28 juillet 2013 - 07:02 .

[Sparse]

Karlone123 wrote...

I was kind of expecting a reveal to happen that Shepard was implanted with Reaper cybertech, I mean it would seem that Reaper tech properly used could revive someone from near death and probably have some major consequence for Shepard at the chance of being contolled. But now the cybernetics are nothing more than a crunch for Shepard to survive from and provide no additional advantages like enchanced strength.

This ^

Shepard was dead, that's made clear in ME3. The only way within the in-game lore that Shepard could be made not dead would be with Reaper tech. I was expecting that to come out and be a huge factor at the end of ME3.

It would've been much better.

[dreamgazer]

Yeah, Reaper technology is kinda funny like that.

[Ryzaki]

Reap Shep would've made the whole "I CAN'T TRUST YOU!" subplot bearable for me.

Alas.

[CptData]

StreetMagic wrote...

Kaidan and Ashley are some of the poorest characters they've made imHo (I feel bad saying that though, because I used to talk to Stormwaltz a lot on a private board). It'd suck to have play as them. I'm bored by everything they represent.. the kind of typical Alliance soldier type. I already dislike Shepard being an Alliance buttboy again in ME3, but you get some freedom with it. With Kaidan and Ash you wouldn't.

Funny, I totally liked the Alliance stuff: mankind, united, finally not at each others throat all day like these days. And of course I disliked the entire Cerberus related stuff in ME2, 'though it was part of the deal.

However, I like the idea of a "corrupted" or "indoctrinated" Shepard. It should have been one of many paths to run down. While the non-corrupted Shepard is going to see the "good ending", the corrupted one would finally betray his/her entire crew and help the Reapers destroying everything. I like it, since it would mean decisions -do- matter as well as morality.

Wha'ever. I love Alliance. You rule. Finally some kind of military without a million skeletons in the closet. ^^

[jstme]

As a a proud member of that "sect" , it actually depends how they would have written it.
If it is unexplained railroading for sake of twist,pretentious themes foreign to M.E and speculations from everyone - yes it is awful.
If it is natural to the flow of narrative , does not involve submission to the reaper king and can provide fitting finale to the trilogy - it could be acceptable IMO.

[Mcfly616]

jstme wrote...

As a a proud member of that "sect" , it actually depends how they would have written it.
If it is unexplained railroading for sake of twist,pretentious themes foreign to M.E and speculations from everyone - yes it is awful.
If it is natural to the flow of narrative , does not involve submission to the reaper king and can provide fitting finale to the trilogy - it could be acceptable IMO.

the themes of the ending are in no way "foreign" or inconsistent with the narrative of Mass Effect. Nor is there much left to really be speculated after the EC. Maybe speculations for what the future holds, but when it comes to what happened and how it ended.....its pretty clear cut.

And you don't submit to the "Reaper King". It actually submits to you.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Bleachrude wrote...

It's CONCEPT art.

Of course as a "what could have been" it's easy to say "that sounds so awesome..been much better". What this ignores is that executon would be the devil in the details....think about it for a moment, people decry the auto-dialogue as taking control away from them...can you imagine the outcry if Bioware simply took  your entire character away and said, "ok, you are now a reaper slave and you have to play as kaidan or ashley

As an aside, given that so many ME characters are based on real world people (samara, jack, maleshep, miranda, TiM) , why is Tali's being based on a a stock picture so bad?

Who says we play as Ashley or Kaidan? Benezia managed to hold her psyche together long enough to help reveal the location of the Mu Relay, Saren rebelled against Sovereign momentarily and even TIM was "sane" is a relative sense until the conclusion. Reaper-Shepard only assures Shepard becomes a tragic hero, but a hero nevertheless. The storyline could pertain to her sacrificing everything, including her own humanity, to stop the Reapers, realizing upon making such a desperate decision, she has sealed her own fate. In essence, it is no different than Control or Synthesis.

Re-read what you just wrote. That's why. Frankly, the stock picture would be less egregious if it was not such a pathetically notice attempt photoshop. There are DeviantArt pics that has taken the artist an few hours tops that are infinitely better than what BioWare did. There is no excuse for blatant laziness.

[MrFob]

Very similar to the darl energy plot line, this idea has a lot of potential and personally I like it. However, it's tough to say whether or not it would have been good or not since it would depend mainly on the execution of the idea.
If executed well, the writers might still give the player the illusion that he is "doing the right thing", right up to the point where he is confronted with his/her decisions (Spec Ops: The Line comes to mind). At that point, the player might ahve a choice if s/he wants to continue down the road or try to turn things around. I can definitely see the appeal there but from a writing point of view it's really difficult to pull off. It think it's easy to make it feel forced or give the twist away too early or screw up in any number of ways.

Speaking of which, in a twisted way, one could even argue that this is exactly what happens in the last 10 minutes of the game. Shepard and the player put all their hopes into the ctucible. But they find out that in the end, it's operation actually depends on an entity that represents the reapers. Shepard is given a couple of solutions for the conflict, all by this entity and either he refuses and looses the fight or he picks one. Isn't that a way of succumbing to the reapers own devices? Isn't that ultimately corrupting the character of Shepard, his/her vision of how the conflict should end by mingling it with the reapers solution fr their (completely unrelated) problem?

I think the story ended up closer to the idea mentioned in the article than its writer realized, just the execution of this idea was really really badly done.