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[nos_astra]

Han Shot First wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Well, maybe when they said they look like humans they just meant quarians have hair? Was there any other species in the MEU that had hair?

Actually the bit about the Quarians looking like humans was often misquoted by fans who wanted Tali to look just like a human. In the book it was never stated that the Quarians look exactly like humans. The description of the unmasked Quarian was deliberately vague, and just noted that they had some humanoid features like an endoskeleton, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids. Those are of course all features that are also shared by the Drell, a species no one would ever mistake for being human.

Even better. Suddenly I have this image of quarians looking a bit like cats under their suits. ^^

[Sir DeLoria]

dea_ex_machina wrote...

Retcon? Retcon what? Truth be told, I can't help but wonder what exactly is there to retcon when it comes to Quarian faces. It's quite apparent that BioWare didn't have a concept for what Quarians looked like under their hoods. I don't count Tali's photo and the glimpses of the Quarians we got in the EC because those were obviously half-assed and/or rushed and not really thought-out. So when it comes down to it, there isn't really anything solid. Based on that, I think there's still plenty that can be done with them as we still don't have anything "definite" regarding what Quarians look like without their suits.

Imo, it isn't important what they look like under their suits anyway, as long as we don't see them without them.
Until there's some serious concept art for what the Quarians "really" look like, I think I'll just leave them in their suits and pretend I never saw anything.

Doesn't matter if it's rushed, canon is canon. Like I said, the final outcome of what Quarians look like withouth their suits was completely predictable from what we saw in ME2. You could even see her skin colour and complexity under the mask.

[CronoDragoon]

me308f1cd5c wrote...
Or should the almost human design in ME3 be the offical quarian face for the rest of the days of the franchise?

It should be the official quarian face for the rest of the days of the franchise.

[Caprea]

Necanor wrote...

Doesn't matter if it's rushed, canon is canon. Like I said, the final outcome of what Quarians look like withouth their suits was completely predictable from what we saw in ME2. You could even see her skin colour and complexity under the mask.

I actually think it does matter. Imo, it is important to have a solid concept of what you create first so you actually have an idea of what it is you're doing rather than pulling something out of your behind the last minute. What BioWare did with the Quarians there is far from reliable. To be honest, I can't take BioWare's rushed and sloppy attempts of slapping faces on the Quarians without knowing what they were doing very seriously.

To me, the question is not whether what we got is canon or not. The question that I ask myself is this: Is what we got believable or reliable? In my opinion, it isn't. It is a lot easier to retcon something that didn't even have a concept from the start than something with a solid idea behind it. And I honestly do not believe that BioWare had any clue of what they were getting themselves into when they released Tali's picture or the glimpses of the Quarians we got in the Synthesis Ending in the EC.

Apart from Tali's picture, even the glimpses we got in the EC were rather vague. As I said, I think it's quite apparent that BioWare didn't really know what they were doing and to me, this is what chips away at the credibility of the "Quarians" we got.

Modifié par dea_ex_machina, 29 juillet 2013 - 06:53 .

[Bleachrude]

I'll state agian.

Quarians faces should remain a mystery for the PLAYERS but treated in-universe as "well duh, everyone has the extranet so of course Shepard knows what a quarian looks like"...

[Reorte]

Bleachrude wrote...

I'll state agian.

Quarians faces should remain a mystery for the PLAYERS but treated in-universe as "well duh, everyone has the extranet so of course Shepard knows what a quarian looks like"...

Too much of a player / character disconnect if it's something relevent to the player's character. It would probably work if Shepard never got to see Tali's face even if romanced.

[Reorte]

DaftArbiter wrote...

I don't know why so many people think the Quarian face needs to be more alien for the sake of it.

According to every single bit of lore we've ever been given, they look like people. In ME2 you can see the outlines of their faces. And in ME3 you get the picture, obviously. They look like humans, and that's all there is to it.

As has been pointed out, like human. It's not people asking for more alien, it's that what we got was a 100% human face and therefore not alien in the slightest.

[Demonique]

 If it was good enough for Star Trek and the klingons...

[CronoDragoon]

Reorte wrote...
As has been pointed out, like human. It's not people asking for more alien, it's that what we got was a 100% human face and therefore not alien in the slightest.

It's not 100% human. The ears, eyes, and nose are all different.

Just not different enough, apparently.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 29 juillet 2013 - 08:08 .

[AresKeith]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Reorte wrote...
As has been pointed out, like human. It's not people asking for more alien, it's that what we got was a 100% human face and therefore not alien in the slightest.

It's not 100% human. The ears, eyes, and nose are all different.

Just not different enough, apparently.

Well from the pic you can't really see the ears, and the nose still looks human

It's basically a terrible photoshop, So I'd say 90% human 

Modifié par AresKeith, 29 juillet 2013 - 08:12 .

[ShepnTali]

Bleachrude wrote...

I'll state agian.

Quarians faces should remain a mystery for the PLAYERS but treated in-universe as "well duh, everyone has the extranet so of course Shepard knows what a quarian looks like"...

I wish. There's that saying, 'be careful what you ask for...'. With characters up front, you adapt naturally. With a big mystery reveal later, disappointment is inevitable.

[o Ventus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Reorte wrote...
As has been pointed out, like human. It's not people asking for more alien, it's that what we got was a 100% human face and therefore not alien in the slightest.

It's not 100% human. The ears, eyes, and nose are all different.

Just not different enough, apparently.

The nose IS human. The eyes are ony different in that there isn't a noticeable pupil.

So you're right. It isn't 100% human. Only 97%.

[Armass81]

Reorte wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

I don't know why so many people think the Quarian face needs to be more alien for the sake of it.

According to every single bit of lore we've ever been given, they look like people. In ME2 you can see the outlines of their faces. And in ME3 you get the picture, obviously. They look like humans, and that's all there is to it.

As has been pointed out, like human. It's not people asking for more alien, it's that what we got was a 100% human face and therefore not alien in the slightest.

Yes the point is you can make a quarian out of any human by simply altering his hands and feet, eyes and ears and add a couple of lines to the face, and change the color of their skin...

Thats Star Trek rubber head alien territory. Im not even going into the possibilities of lifeform so similar looking evolving on an alien planet, and in the same cycle.... twice...

Modifié par Armass81, 29 juillet 2013 - 08:28 .

[Caprea]

ShepnTali wrote...

I wish. There's that saying, 'be careful what you ask for...'. With characters up front, you adapt naturally. With a big mystery reveal later, disappointment is inevitable.

Depends on how it's done, really. Sure, you can't prevent the fact that there will be people who are butthurt one way or another, but the way BioWare handled the Tali/ Quarian thing... it's no surprise it backfired on them.

Modifié par dea_ex_machina, 29 juillet 2013 - 08:27 .

[CronoDragoon]

o Ventus wrote...

The nose IS human. The eyes are ony different in that there isn't a noticeable pupil.

So you're right. It isn't 100% human. Only 97%.

The nose isn't human. There are no nostril bulges; you can check out side-by-side comparisons to see. Don't look at the fan-made photoshop because it forgot to alter the nose.

I'd say the face is definitely above 90% human though.

[ShepnTali]

dea_ex_machina wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

I wish. There's that saying, 'be careful what you ask for...'. With characters up front, you adapt naturally. With a big mystery reveal later, disappointment is inevitable.

Depends on how it's done, really. Sure, you can't prevent the fact that there will be people butthurt one way or another, but the way BioWare handled the Tali/ Quarian thing... it's no surprise it backfired on them.

Different degrees of disappointment, yes. There's no telling what reactions will be. Surprise everyone with a baboon face, and people feel troll'd.

[Armass81]

Demonique wrote...

 If it was good enough for Star Trek and the klingons...

Most classic Star Trek aliens are the laziest ones you can find design wise, which were limited by the budgets and make up. The Appearance of their ilk should be extremely limited in modern Scifi games, where you can design without life actors under them. I get that you can have the asari as a nod there for all the green women Kirk slept with, but that should be it.

And even in ST they gave some kind of half assed progenitor species explanation to the whole thing, theres none in ME. Universe loves diversity, unless its a female alien LI.

Modifié par Armass81, 29 juillet 2013 - 08:36 .

[Reorte]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Reorte wrote...
As has been pointed out, like human. It's not people asking for more alien, it's that what we got was a 100% human face and therefore not alien in the slightest.

It's not 100% human. The ears, eyes, and nose are all different.

Just not different enough, apparently.

Take a human face, paint some lines on it and change the skin colour and eye colour and you've got a quarian face. We don't see the ears thanks to the unlikely mass of hair and the nose is the same in the picture. It's not exactly the same nose in the model under the helmet but that looks more like it's down to being a simple model for something not intended to be clearly seen.

[Caprea]

ShepnTali wrote...

Different degrees of disappointment, yes. There's no telling what reactions will be. Surprise everyone with a baboon face, and people feel troll'd.

...which is pretty much what happened. But since my male Shep didn't romance Tali anyway, I didn't care about it as much as others probably did, though I couldn't help but be irritated and slightly amused when I saw what all the fuss was about.

[Sir DeLoria]

Armass81 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...
I don't know why so many people think the Quarian face needs to be more alien for the sake of it.

According to every single bit of lore we've ever been given, they look like people. In ME2 you can see the outlines of their faces. And in ME3 you get the picture, obviously. They look like humans, and that's all there is to it.

As has been pointed out, like human. It's not people asking for more alien, it's that what we got was a 100% human face and therefore not alien in the slightest.

Yes the point is you can make a quarian out of any human by simply altering his hands and feet, eyes and ears and add a couple of lines to the face, and change the color of their skin...

Thats Star Trek rubber head alien territory. Im not even going into the possibilities of lifeform so similar looking evolving on an alien planet, and in the same cycle.... twice...

No one seems to have trouble with the Asari. Many people believe they look more humanoid. Just slap blue skin and tentacles on, done. Once again, the argument that Aliens are too human looking is ridiculous.

[Reorte]

Armass81 wrote...

Demonique wrote...

 If it was good enough for Star Trek and the klingons...

Most classic Star Trek aliens are the laziest ones you can find design wise, which were limited by the budgets and make up. The Appearance of their ilk should be extremely limited in modern Scifi games, where you can design without life actors under them.

And even in ST they gave some kind of half assed progenitor species explanation to the whole thing, theres none in ME. Universe loves diversity, unless its a female alien LI.

Even in Star Trek Spock looks more alien.

[Armass81]

Necanor wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...
I don't know why so many people think the Quarian face needs to be more alien for the sake of it.

According to every single bit of lore we've ever been given, they look like people. In ME2 you can see the outlines of their faces. And in ME3 you get the picture, obviously. They look like humans, and that's all there is to it.

As has been pointed out, like human. It's not people asking for more alien, it's that what we got was a 100% human face and therefore not alien in the slightest.

Yes the point is you can make a quarian out of any human by simply altering his hands and feet, eyes and ears and add a couple of lines to the face, and change the color of their skin...

Thats Star Trek rubber head alien territory. Im not even going into the possibilities of lifeform so similar looking evolving on an alien planet, and in the same cycle.... twice...

No one seems to have trouble with the Asari. Many people believe they look more humanoid. Just slap blue skin and tentacles on, done. Once again, the argument that Aliens are too human looking is ridiculous.

Asari are ok, because they were just one race and homage to Trek. Personally I find them passable, tough I dont like that they were created as purely fanservice race and to represent all female xenos, while other female xenos were "hiding".

But when you arbitrarily start adding more species like this, my suspension of disbelief in the universe wavers.

Modifié par Armass81, 29 juillet 2013 - 08:42 .

[Reorte]

Necanor wrote...
No one seems to have trouble with the Asari. Many people believe they look more humanoid. Just slap blue skin and tentacles on, done. Once again, the argument that Aliens are too human looking is ridiculous.

Whilst that gives you something very implausibly similar to humans it still doesn't look human.

[Sir DeLoria]

Reorte wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Reorte wrote...
As has been pointed out, like human. It's not people asking for more alien, it's that what we got was a 100% human face and therefore not alien in the slightest.

It's not 100% human. The ears, eyes, and nose are all different.

Just not different enough, apparently.

Take a human face, paint some lines on it and change the skin colour and eye colour and you've got a quarian face. We don't see the ears thanks to the unlikely mass of hair and the nose is the same in the picture. It's not exactly the same nose in the model under the helmet but that looks more like it's down to being a simple model for something not intended to be clearly seen.

It's unlikely for Quarians to have full hair? I've seen full haired women wear hazmat suits without a problem.

[CronoDragoon]

Reorte wrote...
Take a human face, paint some lines on it and change the skin colour and eye colour and you've got a quarian face. We don't see the ears thanks to the unlikely mass of hair and the nose is the same in the picture. It's not exactly the same nose in the model under the helmet but that looks more like it's down to being a simple model for something not intended to be clearly seen.

You can clearly see the bottom of the ears, and no human ears look like that. They are attached to the face in a way that human attached lobes are not.

As for the nose, it's clear to me the nostril bulges were photoshopped out to produce a nose that - in terms of nostril shape - looks as close to turian as it does human.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 29 juillet 2013 - 08:42 .