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[Sir DeLoria]

Reorte wrote...

Necanor wrote...
No one seems to have trouble with the Asari. Many people believe they look more humanoid. Just slap blue skin and tentacles on, done. Once again, the argument that Aliens are too human looking is ridiculous.

Whilst that gives you something very implausibly similar to humans it still doesn't look human.

The Quarian face is more human, but the Asari body is literally identical. Whereas the Quarian body is quite different. 

We don't know what aliens look like in real life, why is it so unacceptable, that an apelike species evolved on another planet?

[AresKeith]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Reorte wrote...
Take a human face, paint some lines on it and change the skin colour and eye colour and you've got a quarian face. We don't see the ears thanks to the unlikely mass of hair and the nose is the same in the picture. It's not exactly the same nose in the model under the helmet but that looks more like it's down to being a simple model for something not intended to be clearly seen.

You can clearly see the bottom of the ears, and no human ears look like that. They are attached to the face in a way that human attached lobes are not.

As for the nose, it's clear to me the nostril bulges were photoshopped out to produce a nose that - in terms of nostril shape - looks as close to turian as it does human.

Nose looks pretty human to me

[ObserverStatus]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
Nah, Bioware only retcons things when it means they have to do less work, not more.
Also, I could have sworn we've had like three threads on this today.

No, not really, I'm pretty sure that it meant more work when they retconned the appearance of qunari.

[Armass81]

Necanor wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Necanor wrote...
No one seems to have trouble with the Asari. Many people believe they look more humanoid. Just slap blue skin and tentacles on, done. Once again, the argument that Aliens are too human looking is ridiculous.

Whilst that gives you something very implausibly similar to humans it still doesn't look human.

The Quarian face is more human, but the Asari body is literally identical. Whereas the Quarian body is quite different. 

We don't know what aliens look like in real life, why is it so unacceptable, that an apelike species evolved on another planet?

An simian like species can evolve on another planet, but for it look almost exactly like humans is a longshot, unless its some transplanted offshoot or something. Batarians are a more realistic vision what it could be. They are likely a simian species too, but look nothing like us except in body structure.

Like I said before some aliens can be more "familiar", in small amount it is acceptable and we had that in the asari and drell. We didnt need a 3rd species like that, especially if its a lazy photoshop over a human picture. Some quarian sketches are good and acceptable, a manipulated human photo is not IMO.

Aliens in fiction can be classified roughly in 3 trope groups, which we see in ME too

Rubberhead Alien - Asari
Humanoid Alien/Intelligent Gerbil - Salarian, Turian, Krogan
Starfish Alien - Leviathan, Rachni

Modifié par Armass81, 29 juillet 2013 - 09:17 .

[ShepnTali]

dea_ex_machina wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Different degrees of disappointment, yes. There's no telling what reactions will be. Surprise everyone with a baboon face, and people feel troll'd.

...which is pretty much what happened. But since my male Shep didn't romance Tali anyway, I didn't care about it as much as others probably did, though I couldn't help but be irritated and slightly amused when I saw what all the fuss was about.

Oh, it was a kick in the quads, for sure. The variation pic posted above me would have atleast shown some effort. Atleast photoshop out the appropriate finger 

[me308f1cd5c]

Necanor wrote...

Reorte wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Reorte wrote...
As has been pointed out, like human. It's not people asking for more alien, it's that what we got was a 100% human face and therefore not alien in the slightest.

It's not 100% human. The ears, eyes, and nose are all different.

Just not different enough, apparently.

Take a human face, paint some lines on it and change the skin colour and eye colour and you've got a quarian face. We don't see the ears thanks to the unlikely mass of hair and the nose is the same in the picture. It's not exactly the same nose in the model under the helmet but that looks more like it's down to being a simple model for something not intended to be clearly seen.

It's unlikely for Quarians to have full hair? I've seen full haired women wear hazmat suits without a problem.

Yep and im sure the full haired women you saw did not practically live their entire life in a suit.

Realistically speaking, Tali should have had little or no hair, or if she did have hair, it should not be in the good condition it was presented in her picture (not much time to maintain/clean said hair if you barley take the suit off).

[AresKeith]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Reorte wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Reorte wrote...
As has been pointed out, like human. It's not people asking for more alien, it's that what we got was a 100% human face and therefore not alien in the slightest.

It's not 100% human. The ears, eyes, and nose are all different.

Just not different enough, apparently.

Take a human face, paint some lines on it and change the skin colour and eye colour and you've got a quarian face. We don't see the ears thanks to the unlikely mass of hair and the nose is the same in the picture. It's not exactly the same nose in the model under the helmet but that looks more like it's down to being a simple model for something not intended to be clearly seen.

It's unlikely for Quarians to have full hair? I've seen full haired women wear hazmat suits without a problem.

Yep and im sure the full haired women you saw did not practically live their entire life in a suit.

Realistically speaking, Tali should have had little or no hair, or if she did have hair, it should not be in the good condition it was presented in her picture (not much time to maintain/clean said hair if you barley take the suit off).

I always thought it would appropriate for Quarians to have atleast short hair if no hair at all

[me308f1cd5c]

AresKeith wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Reorte wrote...
Take a human face, paint some lines on it and change the skin colour and eye colour and you've got a quarian face. We don't see the ears thanks to the unlikely mass of hair and the nose is the same in the picture. It's not exactly the same nose in the model under the helmet but that looks more like it's down to being a simple model for something not intended to be clearly seen.

You can clearly see the bottom of the ears, and no human ears look like that. They are attached to the face in a way that human attached lobes are not.

As for the nose, it's clear to me the nostril bulges were photoshopped out to produce a nose that - in terms of nostril shape - looks as close to turian as it does human.

That's not Tali, that's just some picture Tali showed Shepard that she herself photoshoped, using a human picture off the internet (or mass effect's version of it).

Maybe Tali doesn't want Shepard to see her true face for whatever reason..............

You know......maybe bioware should take that idea.

Modifié par me308f1cd5c, 29 juillet 2013 - 09:00 .

[o Ventus]

Necanor wrote...

The Quarian face is more human

Nope.

[Dextro Milk]

AresKeith wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Reorte wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Reorte wrote...
As has been pointed out, like human. It's not people asking for more alien, it's that what we got was a 100% human face and therefore not alien in the slightest.

It's not 100% human. The ears, eyes, and nose are all different.

Just not different enough, apparently.

Take a human face, paint some lines on it and change the skin colour and eye colour and you've got a quarian face. We don't see the ears thanks to the unlikely mass of hair and the nose is the same in the picture. It's not exactly the same nose in the model under the helmet but that looks more like it's down to being a simple model for something not intended to be clearly seen.

It's unlikely for Quarians to have full hair? I've seen full haired women wear hazmat suits without a problem.

Yep and im sure the full haired women you saw did not practically live their entire life in a suit.

Realistically speaking, Tali should have had little or no hair, or if she did have hair, it should not be in the good condition it was presented in her picture (not much time to maintain/clean said hair if you barley take the suit off).

I always thought it would appropriate for Quarians to have atleast short hair if no hair at all

Quarians can... you know... have varying lengths of hair.

Who is to say Tali is one in the minority with long hair? We don't know.

[Sir DeLoria]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Yep and im sure the full haired women you saw did not practically live their entire life in a suit.

Realistically speaking, Tali should have had little or no hair, or if she did have hair, it should not be in the good condition it was presented in her picture (not much time to maintain/clean said hair if you barley take the suit off).

Don't go into that topic, Quarian enviro-suits make no sense anyway. Besides, Quarians must take of their suits as frequently, as possible in order to clean them, repair them and replace parts, that's what clean rooms are for. Many body parts couldn't be cleaned inside a suit, even through the space magic of Quarian suits, if they didn't clean them frequently though, they'd die from an infection. There is no reason for them not to have full hair, the concept art for ME2 shows her wear a skin cap over the hair anyway, so practical reasons are also irrelevant.

[AresKeith]

Dextro Milk wrote...

Quarians can... you know... have varying lengths of hair.

Who is to say Tali is one in the minority with long hair? We don't know.

And I'm positive that they can, and now that they have their homeworld back (with peace with Geth or Geth dead) they'll have long hair again

[Sir DeLoria]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

That's not Tali, that's just some picture Tali showed Shepard that she herself photoshoped, using a human picture off the internet (or mass effect's version of it).

Maybe Tali doesn't want Shepard to see her true face for whatever reason..............

You know......maybe bioware should take that idea.

Fyi, Sheploo actually saw Tali's face in ME2, the player didn't. I think his memory should be fresh enough to recognize it, especially since he sees it again, three times in ME3.

[HellbirdIV]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

That's not Tali, that's just some picture Tali showed Shepard that she herself photoshoped, using a human picture off the internet (or mass effect's version of it).

Maybe Tali doesn't want Shepard to see her true face for whatever reason...

Perhaps her real face is the reason itself?!

[me308f1cd5c]

Necanor wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

That's not Tali, that's just some picture Tali showed Shepard that she herself photoshoped, using a human picture off the internet (or mass effect's version of it).

Maybe Tali doesn't want Shepard to see her true face for whatever reason..............

You know......maybe bioware should take that idea.

Fyi, Sheploo actually saw Tali's face in ME2, the player didn't. I think his memory should be fresh enough to recognize it, especially since he sees it again, three times in ME3.

Every time he does see the face he conveinently forgets it.

Duh

Modifié par me308f1cd5c, 29 juillet 2013 - 09:13 .

[jontepwn]

I think they should just let it be. The damage is done. They were not bothered to model and design a face that Tali deserved, a character that has been in all three games and is beloved by many. However they did model and design and prioritise Jessica Chobot/Diana Allers, the walking IGN advertisement, a completely pointless and dumb character that no one wanted.

It has already been established that Quarians pretty much look like purple humans with 3 fingers now anyway. A retcon would probably anger fans even more. The real issue is that the photoshopped stock photo we got wasn't even a good photoshop. I hope we get to see a REAL Quarian face in the next Mass Effect game and not some lazy cop out.

[me308f1cd5c]

HellbirdIV wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

That's not Tali, that's just some picture Tali showed Shepard that she herself photoshoped, using a human picture off the internet (or mass effect's version of it).

Maybe Tali doesn't want Shepard to see her true face for whatever reason...

Perhaps her real face is the reason itself?!

motherf........

Modifié par me308f1cd5c, 29 juillet 2013 - 09:15 .

[HellbirdIV]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Perhaps her real face is the reason itself?!

motherf........

I love doing that.

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Fyi,
Sheploo actually saw Tali's face in ME2, the player didn't. I think his
memory should be fresh enough to recognize it, especially since he sees
it again, three times in ME3.

Every time he does see the face he conveinently forgets it.

Oh. I guess Tali actually looks like this then. My bad. I can't help it though. I forgot.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 29 juillet 2013 - 09:19 .

[wolfhowwl]

Necanor wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Yep and im sure the full haired women you saw did not practically live their entire life in a suit.

Realistically speaking, Tali should have had little or no hair, or if she did have hair, it should not be in the good condition it was presented in her picture (not much time to maintain/clean said hair if you barley take the suit off).

Don't go into that topic, Quarian enviro-suits make no sense anyway. Besides, Quarians must take of their suits as frequently, as possible in order to clean them, repair them and replace parts, that's what clean rooms are for. Many body parts couldn't be cleaned inside a suit, even through the space magic of Quarian suits, if they didn't clean them frequently though, they'd die from an infection. There is no reason for them not to have full hair, the concept art for ME2 shows her wear a skin cap over the hair anyway, so practical reasons are also irrelevant.

Wouldn't a Quarian out of their suit...

Uh

Smell really bad?



Maybe the Cerberus implants help Shepard stomach that.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 29 juillet 2013 - 09:30 .

[Sir DeLoria]

jontepwn wrote...

I think they should just let it be. The damage is done. They were not bothered to model and design a face that Tali deserved, a character that has been in all three games and is beloved by many. However they did model and design and prioritise Jessica Chobot/Diana Allers, the walking IGN advertisement, a completely pointless and dumb character that no one wanted.

It has already been established that Quarians pretty much look like purple humans with 3 fingers now anyway. A retcon would probably anger fans even more. The real issue is that the photoshopped stock photo we got wasn't even a good photoshop. I hope we get to see a REAL Quarian face in the next Mass Effect game and not some lazy cop out.

This one understands.

[Sir DeLoria]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Necanor wrote..
Don't go into that topic, Quarian enviro-suits make no sense anyway. Besides, Quarians must take of their suits as frequently, as possible in order to clean them, repair them and replace parts, that's what clean rooms are for. Many body parts couldn't be cleaned inside a suit, even through the space magic of Quarian suits, if they didn't clean them frequently though, they'd die from an infection. There is no reason for them not to have full hair, the concept art for ME2 shows her wear a skin cap over the hair anyway, so practical reasons are also irrelevant.

Wouldn't a Quarian out of their suit...
Uh
Smell really bad?



Maybe the Cerberus implants help Shepard stomach that.

The sweat is drained through space magic. They'd still have to wash frequently though. If Tali was actually covered in sweat well...Shep would probably still be more focused on other things.

[Sir DeLoria]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

That's not Tali, that's just some picture Tali showed Shepard that she herself photoshoped, using a human picture off the internet (or mass effect's version of it).

Maybe Tali doesn't want Shepard to see her true face for whatever reason...

Perhaps her real face is the reason itself?!

motherf........

Never. Open. A link. From Hellbird.

[Dextro Milk]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Necanor wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Yep and im sure the full haired women you saw did not practically live their entire life in a suit.

Realistically speaking, Tali should have had little or no hair, or if she did have hair, it should not be in the good condition it was presented in her picture (not much time to maintain/clean said hair if you barley take the suit off).

Don't go into that topic, Quarian enviro-suits make no sense anyway. Besides, Quarians must take of their suits as frequently, as possible in order to clean them, repair them and replace parts, that's what clean rooms are for. Many body parts couldn't be cleaned inside a suit, even through the space magic of Quarian suits, if they didn't clean them frequently though, they'd die from an infection. There is no reason for them not to have full hair, the concept art for ME2 shows her wear a skin cap over the hair anyway, so practical reasons are also irrelevant.

Wouldn't a Quarian out of their suit...

Uh

Smell really bad?



Maybe the Cerberus implants help Shepard stomach that.

First off, her sweat would smell good, and taste good... I would drink it all.

Second, space magic cleans their suits. Don't get mad at me, I didn't write it.