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[Kurt M.]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Gladiador2 wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

Steal kill? The point is to kill all the enemies(except objectives that is not targets). Does not matter who does it. 

That's the theory, and I agree with it. But you know, I REALLY hate that after having had a (solo) hard fight to the death with a brute, or scion, or else for 1 or 2 full minutes, it just takes one jerk to achieve the kill with the ****ing last shot. If that doesn't ****** you off, well...then you just aren't human

But I think it's the devs fault mostly, as some of those kills may not be intentional. IMO, it should be the player who damaged an enemy the most the one who should take the kill, and not the one who shot it last.

If it takes you 1 or 2 minutes to kill those enemies the jerk did you a favor by finishing it off. It should take a team around 2 to 2:30 to finish a wave.

The jerk would indeed make me a favor if he joined me at the beginning of the fight, and not when the enemy only has 2 Armor bars left.

And there are any bonuses added for finishing a round below a certain time? (not counting objectives, normal rounds only). If the answer is "No", then please stop your elitism.

Modifié par Gladiador2, 29 juillet 2013 - 01:01 .

[FasterThanFTL]

There should be no assist points but only kill points. When 2 people murder someone with a total of 5 bullets fired and 1 person shot 3 bullets and the other shot 2 bullets. They are both charged with Murder and not 1 person charged with Murder and the other charged with Aiding and Abetting.

Modifié par FasterThanFTL, 29 juillet 2013 - 01:01 .

[Wizard of Ox]

Gladiador2 wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Kill faster.

Not everyone likes to play a goddamed Infiltrator with a Widow CXXVIII*. Or they've access to a high-damage dealing weapon of their likings, you know. Some of us have to take a slow pace with super-elites. -Yet-.

*128

Lol. Power do the same amount of damage regardless of the weapons you use. Besides, many rare weapons can deal a lot of damage and killing a brute in 2 minutes is extremely slow even with an avenger. Should people stop killing things you shoot? Do you want 60 minutes games?  

[Kurt M.]

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

Gladiador2 wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Kill faster.

Not everyone likes to play a goddamed Infiltrator with a Widow CXXVIII*. Or they've access to a high-damage dealing weapon of their likings, you know. Some of us have to take a slow pace with super-elites. -Yet-.

*128

Lol. Power do the same amount of damage regardless of the weapons you use. Besides, many rare weapons can deal a lot of damage and killing a brute in 2 minutes is extremely slow even with an avenger. Should people stop killing things you shoot? Do you want 60 minutes games?  

No. People should stop starting shooting at the last freaking time. More than once, I've had a Brute nearly dead with absolutely no help at all, only for someone to shoot literally at the last chance they had, where time wasn't already an excuse because the player solo'ing it has already spent it, and it was only a few extra seconds to finish it. Please, don't say me it's not on purpose, or for the sake of speeding things up or teamwork. We all know the reason.

P.D: I way exaggerated that 1-2 minutes mark. Make it 30 seconds-1 min. I'd have to check my record in that matter, though..

Modifié par Gladiador2, 29 juillet 2013 - 01:09 .

[Computron2000]

Gladiador2 wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Kill faster.

Not everyone likes to play a goddamed Infiltrator with a Widow CXXVIII*. Or they've access to a high-damage dealing weapon of their likings, you know. Some of us have to take a slow pace with super-elites. -Yet-.

A few things
i) Among the uncommons, you already have good weapons

ii) A single fire explosion will cause good damage. Most peeps have a detonator power

iii) Use ammo equipment. So many fail to use even a lousy level 1 incendiary to prime. In case the excuse is that you have no equipment, JEPs give 5 slots of equipment from levels 1 to 3 and unless you regularly go into gold+ games with no medigels/rockets/ops packs, you'll have bought JEPs or recuit packs (also gives level 1 equipment)

iv) Power based classes which are more weapon immune are valid choices

Seriously, 2 minutes of constant shooting to take down a brute is ridiculous. A concussive shot soldier with the avenger can easily take it down in less than 1 min, to say nothing of the common human infilitrator using a mantis with sticky grenades

[Kurt M.]

-And here it comes when I seriously grief the time I put "2 minutes for taking down a Brute" on my first post-...

Although that's true for Banshees. Goddess, I really hate Banshees...

Modifié par Gladiador2, 29 juillet 2013 - 01:16 .

[Wizard of Ox]

Gladiador2 wrote...

No. People should stop starting shooting at the last freaking time. More than once, I've had a Brute nearly dead with absolutely no help at all, only for someone to shoot literally at the last chance they had, where time wasn't already an excuse because the player solo'ing it has already spent it, and it was only a few extra seconds to finish it. Please, don't say me it's not on purpose, or for the sake of speeding things up or teamwork. We all know the reason.

P.D: I way exaggerated that 1-2 minutes mark. Make it 30 seconds-1 min. I'd have to check my record in that matter, though..

All I'm saying is that you shouldn't care. Waiting for other people to damage enemies until they're almost dead and then killing it is no good strategy for scoring a lot of points. To be honest it's seldom happened to me and, even then, I did not drive myself mad over it. Just play the game for fun; if someone's ruining it, just leave. The skill stealing thing is ridiculous and often an excuse for low scoring. If you play properly, you'll score well, notwithstading the other players' behaviour. 

[ClydeInTheShell]

Coldest tactic for stealing kills/topping scoreboard?

Get your weight up.

[Rite All Wrong]

Gladiador2 wrote..

No. People should stop starting shooting at the last freaking time. More than once, I've had a Brute nearly dead with absolutely no help at all, only for someone to shoot literally at the last chance they had, where time wasn't already an excuse because the player solo'ing it has already spent it, and it was only a few extra seconds to finish it. Please, don't say me it's not on purpose, or for the sake of speeding things up or teamwork. We all know the reason.

Hm... no. I If there's a brute (or anything really) alive that doesn't have your name on it, everyone gets to shoot it without having to care about who wasted how much time on trying to kill it. If you did all the work, you get a massive assist, the "kill-thief" just a few points. If you want to be petty about the kill it is entirely your problem.

Modifié par Rite All Wrong, 29 juillet 2013 - 01:26 .

[Kurt M.]

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

Gladiador2 wrote...

No. People should stop starting shooting at the last freaking time. More than once, I've had a Brute nearly dead with absolutely no help at all, only for someone to shoot literally at the last chance they had, where time wasn't already an excuse because the player solo'ing it has already spent it, and it was only a few extra seconds to finish it. Please, don't say me it's not on purpose, or for the sake of speeding things up or teamwork. We all know the reason.

P.D: I way exaggerated that 1-2 minutes mark. Make it 30 seconds-1 min. I'd have to check my record in that matter, though..

All I'm saying is that you shouldn't care. Waiting for other people to damage enemies until they're almost dead and then killing it is no good strategy for scoring a lot of points. To be honest it's seldom happened to me and, even then, I did not drive myself mad over it. Just play the game for fun; if someone's ruining it, just leave. The skill stealing thing is ridiculous and often an excuse for low scoring. If you play properly, you'll score well, notwithstading the other players' behaviour. 

I guess you're right, and I do score decent scores for a Silver (been around one week since I began MP). I guess there's always the Assist bonuses...

I'm pissed off, but I won't let it ruin the party...

[ISHYGDDT]

Gladiador2 wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Kill faster.

Not everyone likes to play a goddamed Infiltrator with a Widow CXXVIII*. Or they've access to a high-damage dealing weapon of their likings, you know. Some of us have to take a slow pace with super-elites. -Yet-.

Gladiador2 wrote...
And there are any bonuses added for finishing a round below a certain time?

 If you complete matches in 20 minutes instead of 30, you will get that Widow CXXVII 33% faster. 

Also, 5-15 seconds for a brute is more typical than 30 seconds to a minute.  If you don't have decent weapons or an anti-armor power, you should focus on shielded mooks. 

[NuclearTech76]

Gladiador2 wrote...

No. People should stop starting shooting at the last freaking time. More than once, I've had a Brute nearly dead with absolutely no help at all, only for someone to shoot literally at the last chance they had, where time wasn't already an excuse because the player solo'ing it has already spent it, and it was only a few extra seconds to finish it. Please, don't say me it's not on purpose, or for the sake of speeding things up or teamwork. We all know the reason.

P.D: I way exaggerated that 1-2 minutes mark. Make it 30 seconds-1 min. I'd have to check my record in that matter, though..

Sometimes there are people that do that but a lot of the time I don't even see the health bar especially if using a SR. Quick scope and the enemy is dead. Again nothing personal but the game is coop if you're worried about getting "your" kills you have to kill fast. You're saying the player stealing kill is doing it for the scoreboard but you're fine with saying that kill belongs to you which is just as selfish. Smooth, fun games and quick clearance times are more important to most than who gets what kill.

[Kurt M.]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Gladiador2 wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Kill faster.

Not everyone likes to play a goddamed Infiltrator with a Widow CXXVIII*. Or they've access to a high-damage dealing weapon of their likings, you know. Some of us have to take a slow pace with super-elites. -Yet-.

Gladiador2 wrote...
And there are any bonuses added for finishing a round below a certain time?

 If you complete matches in 20 minutes instead of 30, you will get that Widow CXXVII 33% faster. 

Also, 5-15 seconds for a brute is more typical than 30 seconds to a minute.  If you don't have decent weapons or an anti-armor power, you should focus on shielded mooks. 

That's also true. I should begin dusting off one-timers. I've a good reserve of them, which always "gives me pity" to use them. Time to get rid of that Diogenes syndrome

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

If it takes you 1 or 2 minutes to kill those enemies the jerk did you a favor by finishing it off. It should take a team around 2 to 2:30 to finish a wave.

I lol'd, and it's funny because it's true.

If it's alive, I'm shooting at it. Period.

I remember once leaving the last banshee in the wave to three team mates while I positioned for the start of the next wave. After about a minute of focus fire, the banshee was still alive, and I decide to take matters into my own hands and kill off the banshee. Someone switched his mic on and said "way to kill steal", and I then switched on my mic with the retort, "kill faster then".

I got kicked in the lobby afterwards. Fun times.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

Boogie used a mic? What alternate universe is this?

You must have me confused with silentstep (yes, I went there). I only turn it on when others do though or I get a party invite, and they barely hear what I've got to say anyway because my mic is bugged.

[paranoio]

I do not know how you care about kill stealing... Score whoring is one thing... But i have got the final kill on an atlas once, where he got like 1.9l assist, and i got 50 kill points...

The scores are pretty much equal to the damage you deal to the target...

Also.. At some point i was sure this was a co-op game to get to the end of the map... Why are you guys competing, when you can just lean THAT more back and let your team mates do the job, if they insist on rushing in there and kill everything...

Yes i will try and save you, and yes, i will take over where 3 banshees hugged you, just because you wanted the points

[Computron2000]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

paranoio wrote...
The scores are pretty much equal to the damage you deal to the target...

Was this sarcasm?

I hope so, cause you can't explain why a game would dole out 1500 points for putting one bullet in a nearly destroyed Atlas, and yet scenarious like that have happened far too many times. When it's the reverse, it's so disheartening.

The scores really does depend on damage dealt (plus assists, medals, etc). The main problem IIRC from the score mechanics thread, is there is a bug when you overkill. Apparently, it's more obvious for high damage single shots. Possibly the entire damage inflicted is considered as part of damage dealt to the target even if the target had 1 hp left.

I use auto weapons which don't do that much damage per bullet so i don't see this bug much

Modifié par Computron2000, 29 juillet 2013 - 03:25 .

[RedJohn]

FasterThanFTL wrote...

There should be no assist points but only kill points. When 2 people murder someone with a total of 5 bullets fired and 1 person shot 3 bullets and the other shot 2 bullets. They are both charged with Murder and not 1 person charged with Murder and the other charged with Aiding and Abetting.

Man I don't know why but you make it sound too serious 

[RedJohn]

My opinion about this: People should just learn to play and stop complaining about other people who do better than them.

[bob e sardaukar]

RedJohn wrote...

My opinion about this: People should just learn to play and stop complaining about other people who do better than them.

I don't mind people doing better than me (most people do). This thread is about how some people go about it. Most  play  it straight up and are just to damn good without being cheap about it. Some even helpful with revives, clutching or friendly mic-guidance - bless 'em. 

Not complaining just curious.

[paranoio]

RedJohn wrote...

My opinion about this: People should just learn to play and stop complaining about other people who do better than them.

Just enjoy the game as a total.. end of

[AlphaMaeko]

If they shoot the prime I've been wittling down, I don't care.

If they shoot him instead of the guy behind me, that's when I think they could've had better priorities.

[corporal doody]

dont know if has been mentioned...but get in a last second shot just as someone missiles it...KILL for you! i mean full credit kill! all the points!

Modifié par corporal doody, 29 juillet 2013 - 04:17 .