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[Triforce Hermit]

Quarians and Asari. I love Quarians, but they are way overrated. It has been stated why Asari are overrated in previous posts.

[Barquiel]

Asari and Krogan are two of the most fleshed out alien races in the series. I don't see how these these races can be described as "overrated" (the word "overrated" is kind of stupid imo).

The Asari are more of an economic power than a military one. That's mentioned both in the codex and in the game (...multiple times). The Codex also states that they don't have the brute force of other races (Turians, Krogan), therefore they have to use guerilla warfare to survive. We know that the Asari kept the Reapers on the
defensive by using hit and run tactics for some time, and in many of the planet entries it's also described how the they managed to launch effective guerrilla campaigns against reaper forces (they actually put up a lot more of a fight than the Alliance did).

And how are the Krogan " treated like they are gods"? The codex entry on the Krogan rebellions describes their war crimes (for example dropping asteroids on civilized worlds), and the player has to decide if they have changed for the better in ME3. The game certainly doesn't whitewash them...


If this is simply a "What are your least liked races in Mass Effect"  thread -> Humans, Quarians and Turians for me

Modifié par Barquiel, 29 juillet 2013 - 02:48 .

[Felya87]

the indecision in between humans and Asari...

humans are considered "special" for no reason at all. and have gained a position in the Citadel first, and than in the council without really deserving it. just "because the plot say so" and species way more advanced and important in the council spaze didn't even have a place in the council. (Elcor, Hanar, Volus)

the Asari are usually quite arrogant, since they have a long lifespan, they pretend to be the most wise of the races. usually they try to be polite and not let see how they see the others races as weakling and plaything, or simply reproductive procedure to have more genetic materials for theirs daughter (a cultual thing, I don't think they really are mean about it. is just how they see the world)

but, in the end, most of their superior tecnology and natural predisposition to biotic powers was just a "present" of the Protheans. and even with all this help, they are destroyed just as all the others races. maybe worse, since they didn't believe the Reapers would dare attach Thessia.

[Wayning_Star]

isn't a race dependent upon the pressure they expend in any given reality? Human Race vs. The Universe said Chaos?

Like the cowardly lion pertains: Put'm up..put'm up

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The Asari, the Krogan, and the Quarians.

[Armass81]

Felya87 wrote...

the indecision in between humans and Asari...

humans are considered "special" for no reason at all. and have gained a position in the Citadel first, and than in the council without really deserving it. just "because the plot say so" and species way more advanced and important in the council spaze didn't even have a place in the council. (Elcor, Hanar, Volus)

the Asari are usually quite arrogant, since they have a long lifespan, they pretend to be the most wise of the races. usually they try to be polite and not let see how they see the others races as weakling and plaything, or simply reproductive procedure to have more genetic materials for theirs daughter (a cultual thing, I don't think they really are mean about it. is just how they see the world)

but, in the end, most of their superior tecnology and natural predisposition to biotic powers was just a "present" of the Protheans. and even with all this help, they are destroyed just as all the others races. maybe worse, since they didn't believe the Reapers would dare attach Thessia.

Pride goes before the fall...

[Armass81]

StreetMagic wrote...

Necanor wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Quarians.

*flees from Tali fans*

How are they overrated? They're one of the most demonized races in ME3.

I don't know about demonized (ostracized maybe), but definitely underrated. As much as I like bits of the Rannoch questline, I hate the whole premise. The Quarians barely get any dignity. I hate Shepard's dialogue in it especially. Like when Tali talks about losing the battle at the beginning or losing the fleet. "Not if I can help it!" says Shepard. And from then on, we get the badass human saving an entire race from a 300 year long problem probably within a week.

Also, this is why even having a set "trilogy" sucked balls. To bundle all of these big story arcs and tie up all the loose ends into one game makes it all the more ridiculous. It was one thing to fly around the galaxy and help a Zhu's Hope or find Admiral Kohaku's men or help out a squadmate's personal issues. It's another to decide fate on this scale.

/rantoff

Didnt you hear? Shepard is the Space Jesus who can magically convince anyone and beat anything. That is until the ending at least...

[Mcfly616]

What category are we talking here? I'm still confused as to what we're saying is overrated about them? In fans eyes? Materialistic looks? Culture? Or in warfare?


Because if its warfare, its just simply incorrect to say the Asari are overrated. They've never been praised or hyped as a "great military force". Therefore they cannot possibly be "overrated" in the category of War. They're an intellectual society.

That's like saying the Buffalo Bills are overrated (who have the longest playoff drought in the NFL....14 years to be exact). Nobody expects anything from them, how can they be overrated?!

Nobody expects the Asari to be the military might of the galaxy that comes to save the day. They're not overrated.

Turians on the other hand.... They're supposed to be the strongest military of all. Yet they needed the help of two other races, along with the genophage in order to stop the Krogan horde. Talk about overrated.

[Armass81]

Mcfly616 wrote...

What category are we talking here? I'm still confused as to what we're saying is overrated about them? In fans eyes? Materialistic looks? Culture? Or in warfare?


Because if its warfare, its just simply incorrect to say the Asari are overrated. They've never been praised or hyped as a "great military force". Therefore they cannot possibly be "overrated" in the category of War. They're an intellectual society.

That's like saying the Buffalo Bills are overrated (who have the longest playoff drought in the NFL....14 years to be exact). Nobody expects anything from them, how can they be overrated?!

Nobody expects the Asari to be the military might of the galaxy that comes to save the day. They're not overrated.

Turians on the other hand.... They're supposed to be the strongest military of all. Yet they needed the help of two other races, along with the genophage in order to stop the Krogan horde. Talk about overrated.

That was hundreds of years ago when the turians only appeared on the multispecies galactic stage, we dont know how strong they were militarily back then, likely not as much as today. Its likely they only build their massive armies after becoming a council race, carving a place of major peacekeepers to themselves.

Modifié par Armass81, 29 juillet 2013 - 03:25 .

[Mcfly616]

Armass81 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

What category are we talking here? I'm still confused as to what we're saying is overrated about them? In fans eyes? Materialistic looks? Culture? Or in warfare?


Because if its warfare, its just simply incorrect to say the Asari are overrated. They've never been praised or hyped as a "great military force". Therefore they cannot possibly be "overrated" in the category of War. They're an intellectual society.

That's like saying the Buffalo Bills are overrated (who have the longest playoff drought in the NFL....14 years to be exact). Nobody expects anything from them, how can they be overrated?!

Nobody expects the Asari to be the military might of the galaxy that comes to save the day. They're not overrated.

Turians on the other hand.... They're supposed to be the strongest military of all. Yet they needed the help of two other races, along with the genophage in order to stop the Krogan horde. Talk about overrated.

That was hundreds of years ago when the turians only appeared on the multispecies galactic stage, we dont know how strong they were militarily back then, likely not as much as today. Its likely they only build their massive armies after becoming a council race, carving a place of major peacekeepers to themselves.

pretty sure the Turians were invited to join the council because of their military prowess. Which makes sense....Asari being the intellectual/philosophical thinkers, Salarians excelling in science, and the Turian militaristic way of life.

[Armass81]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

What category are we talking here? I'm still confused as to what we're saying is overrated about them? In fans eyes? Materialistic looks? Culture? Or in warfare?


Because if its warfare, its just simply incorrect to say the Asari are overrated. They've never been praised or hyped as a "great military force". Therefore they cannot possibly be "overrated" in the category of War. They're an intellectual society.

That's like saying the Buffalo Bills are overrated (who have the longest playoff drought in the NFL....14 years to be exact). Nobody expects anything from them, how can they be overrated?!

Nobody expects the Asari to be the military might of the galaxy that comes to save the day. They're not overrated.

Turians on the other hand.... They're supposed to be the strongest military of all. Yet they needed the help of two other races, along with the genophage in order to stop the Krogan horde. Talk about overrated.

That was hundreds of years ago when the turians only appeared on the multispecies galactic stage, we dont know how strong they were militarily back then, likely not as much as today. Its likely they only build their massive armies after becoming a council race, carving a place of major peacekeepers to themselves.

pretty sure the Turians were invited to join the council because of their military prowess. Which makes sense....Asari being the intellectual/philosophical thinkers, Salarians excelling in science, and the Turian militaristic way of life.

Sure, im just saying turians were likely not as strong as they were today.

[Mcfly616]

Armass81 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

What category are we talking here? I'm still confused as to what we're saying is overrated about them? In fans eyes? Materialistic looks? Culture? Or in warfare?


Because if its warfare, its just simply incorrect to say the Asari are overrated. They've never been praised or hyped as a "great military force". Therefore they cannot possibly be "overrated" in the category of War. They're an intellectual society.

That's like saying the Buffalo Bills are overrated (who have the longest playoff drought in the NFL....14 years to be exact). Nobody expects anything from them, how can they be overrated?!

Nobody expects the Asari to be the military might of the galaxy that comes to save the day. They're not overrated.

Turians on the other hand.... They're supposed to be the strongest military of all. Yet they needed the help of two other races, along with the genophage in order to stop the Krogan horde. Talk about overrated.

That was hundreds of years ago when the turians only appeared on the multispecies galactic stage, we dont know how strong they were militarily back then, likely not as much as today. Its likely they only build their massive armies after becoming a council race, carving a place of major peacekeepers to themselves.

pretty sure the Turians were invited to join the council because of their military prowess. Which makes sense....Asari being the intellectual/philosophical thinkers, Salarians excelling in science, and the Turian militaristic way of life.

Sure, im just saying turians were likely not as strong as they were today.

ofcourse. I agree. I'm sure their forces have grown over the past 1200 years. However, as the codex states that they have come to rely on intelligence from the Salarians, and the Asari for diplomacy. They would lose more than they would gain if the other two races were ever removed.

Which leads me back to my original point (which isn't about the Turians). The Asari are diplomats. They excel at diplomacy. They are not an autocratic society of warriors (unlike the Turians). Therefore, they're not overrated in matters of war. What they bring to the table is rather expected.

[Sir DeLoria]

StreetMagic wrote...

Necanor wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...
Quarians.

*flees from Tali fans*

How are they overrated? They're one of the most demonized races in ME3.

I don't know about demonized (ostracized maybe), but definitely underrated. As much as I like bits of the Rannoch questline, I hate the whole premise. The Quarians barely get any dignity. I hate Shepard's dialogue in it especially. Like when Tali talks about losing the battle at the beginning or losing the fleet. "Not if I can help it!" says Shepard. And from then on, we get the badass human saving an entire race from a 300 year long problem probably within a week

Exactly. But that won't stop the prejudiced individuals *cough*Massively*cough*, from labeling them as 'overrated'.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Necanor wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...
Quarians.

*flees from Tali fans*

How are they overrated? They're one of the most demonized races in ME3.

I don't know about demonized (ostracized maybe), but definitely underrated. As much as I like bits of the Rannoch questline, I hate the whole premise. The Quarians barely get any dignity. I hate Shepard's dialogue in it especially. Like when Tali talks about losing the battle at the beginning or losing the fleet. "Not if I can help it!" says Shepard. And from then on, we get the badass human saving an entire race from a 300 year long problem probably within a week

Exactly. But that won't stop the prejudiced individuals *cough*Massively*cough*, from labeling them as 'overrated'.

So I'm prejudiced because I don't agree with you and you don't like my opinion? I'm prejudiced because I think the Quarians are 100% responsible for 100% of their own problems? That's great logic. 

[Dextro Milk]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

So I'm prejudiced because I don't agree with you and you don't like my opinion? I'm prejudiced because I think the Quarians are 100% responsible for 100% of their own problems? That's great logic. 

Contrary to your belief, if you judge an entire race by the actions of a few... yeah... you are prejudiced. Now if you said "Quarian leadership is blah blah", then yeah, go right ahead.

Modifié par Dextro Milk, 29 juillet 2013 - 04:04 .

[Sir DeLoria]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

So I'm prejudiced because I don't agree with you and you don't like my opinion? I'm prejudiced because I think the Quarians are 100% responsible for 100% of their own problems? That's great logic. 

No, you're prejudiced because:

- you use the argument of collective guilt for the Quarians
- you always bash the Quarians
- you've made it quite clear, that you despise the Quarians

The Quarians are blamed for everything and more already in ME3, how the **** are they overrated?

[CrutchCricket]

All of them.

[RZIBARA]

Quarians (i like them, but alot of people here just give them too much praise), and Asari.

Yes alot of people love Krogan, but thats because theyre actually badass. Also, i think turians are UNDERrated

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Necanor wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

So I'm prejudiced because I don't agree with you and you don't like my opinion? I'm prejudiced because I think the Quarians are 100% responsible for 100% of their own problems? That's great logic. 

No, you're prejudiced because:

- you use the argument of collective guilt for the Quarians

Because collectively, I think they're all responsible. They're the ones who haven't learned their lesson. The ones who still think they are justified and in the right and not at all responsble for what has happened to them over the course of their history.

- you always bash the Quarians

I do. And I've mentioned repeatedly why I bash them. Bashing and criticizing =/= prejudice against them.

- you've made it quite clear, that you despise the Quarians

I don't recall ever saying that I despise the Quarians. I don't. I do think that the people have a high disposition for lacking common sense and being able to understand long term solutions to problems that can be solved without the means the Quarians prescribe. I think their opinions and actions are reprehensible and they need a large overhaul in their racial zeitgeist. 

Otherwise, I despise several Quarians: I despise Tali, I despise Admiral Gerrel, I despise Admiral Xen, and I despise a lot of the Quarians that joined Tali on the Mission to Freedom's Progress.

[o Ventus]

Asari.

[Display Name Owner]

Overrated? Well, I guess I'll assume you mean by the fanbase, in which case I'll say Geth. They were definitely interesting, but the whole sympathy angle was poured on a little thick, which may be why many revel so much in picking them over the Quarians. But yeah, they are interesting, just not the most interesting or most cool race by any means.

[Anubis722]

Geth

[sharkboy421]

OP you seem to refer to military strength?

If that is the case I will go with the quarians.  Yes the Migrant Fleet is very large, but I always got the impression that it was mainly civilian ships and a few left over military vessels.  While it is possible to arm these ships, they still won't be on the same level as fleet comprised entirely of military vessels and formed with that purpose in mind.

The quarians also are never shown to have any signifcant ground force either beyond a relatively small group of marines.  While I have no doubt that they can more than hold their own in any fire fight, they seem to lack the sheer numbers required for a large scale war.

I dont doubt that the Migrant Fleet could fight a war and be successful, but if given the choice I would chose the turian, geth or human fleets over them any day.