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[N7recruit]

Title says it all. I personally don't like the fact that Bioware treated our squad like the priceless dolls in glass cases during Priority Earth. I mean they get out with barely a scratch while Sheps a dead man/woman walking .  
I think three/four of our squad should have died regardless (We chose who) but whats your opinion?

[ShepnTali]

With low ems, sure.

[wright1978]

I think there should have been a suicide mission on a grandscale where player got to assign squaddies & former squaddies to positions in the battle. The more dangerous the position & less suited they were to that position should have affected their fate.

[Karlone123]

With some varition factors on what could have a squadmate killed but there is none. Say you wanted James dead but for that to happen, that means everyone else dies.

[HellbirdIV]

ShepnTali wrote...

With low ems, sure.

Basically this. I think we should have seen all our forces working together, and depending on our EMS score seeing a lot of casualties or a lot of REAPER casualties.

But then again, if we'd actually seen the Reapers be defeated in conventional combat like the Codex says they were multiple times that would contradict the ending's message of "DEUS EX MACHINA IS ART".

[jstme]

Should have died - NO.
Could have died - if it helps people role-play better, why not.

[ShepnTali]

Yeah, I'm fine with the numbers, but I wanted to see my assets in action. Geth and quarians coordinating attacks, Jack's crew throwing up barriers, Zaeed yelling 'Come get some you big ugly son of a ****!'. It would have atleast felt more rewarding than cold numbers.

[Kel Riever]

I don't think they should have died unless EMS was low.

But I would at least also like to have at least seen them.

[MrStoob]

I thought they could?



EMS 1200 with EC apparently.

Modifié par MrStoob, 29 juillet 2013 - 06:23 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

jstme wrote...

Should have died - NO.
Could have died - if it helps people role-play better, why not.

This is how I feel. 

Also, besides having war assets, etc. helping determine who might live and who might die, I do like the idea of possibly having a squadmate die if you sacrifice them instead of losing an asset that might help you later.

I don't EMS should be entirely dependent on who lives and who dies.

I have high EMS, but I DON'T want some of my squad surviving. I'd like to have them die without sacrificing EMS.

Tali, Garrus, Jack, and Javik wouldn't survive then. They are who I have die in my headcanon. I'm on the fence about Liara - I don't know whether to let her live or die. 

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 29 juillet 2013 - 06:34 .

[SiniisteR]

I don't really think so. The system used for the suicide mission works really well mostly because the mission is known as the SUICIDE mission. It's repeatedly said through ME2 that its likely not everyone will survive it. That's not really said as much for the final attack in London, so having different squadmates die during the mission would just seem surprising and evil, to me at least.

[Tootles FTW]

I think A LOT of things should have been going on during the final battle, that never happened.

I think our squaddies should have all been either at the final beam run or holding positions on Earth, NOT all aboard the Normandy. If you had low EMS, seeing your squaddies either dead or on their way to dying as you stumble the last few feet to the beam would have been sad but poignant. A testament to your poor preparation.

[SiniisteR]

Also, if it was changed so that there was a system similar to the way the suicide mission worked, those who got everyone out of the suicide mission probably wouldn't be as afraid of losing any of their squadmates, since they all survived the first time so they should the second time as well.

[SilJeff]

Oh trust me, there are a LOT of things I thought should happen that didn't. Not just the ability to lose squadmates. This is what Priority: Earth SHOULD have been (Heck, I hate the current Priority: Earth so much that I'd sadly be willing to pay for a dlc that gives us the following Priority: Earth, even if it keeps the control/synthesis/destroy endings as possible outcomes):

[ShepnTali]

It's sad to hear all the dialogue from other characters in priority earth on the game disc that never made it into the game.

[KaiserShep]

I'd say no. Your squad can die, if you don't meet the minimum requirement. Other than that, you shouldn't lose characters unless it's part of the plot, like it was for Legion and Mordin. Players would simply replace those characters with squad members they like the least. That's what I'd do.

[CptData]

ShepnTali wrote...

With low ems, sure.

I second that.

Low EMS: both die
Med EMS: one dies (the LI will survive, if no LI is present, the dying one is randomly chosen)
High EMS: no squaddie dies

Then again ...

Low EMS: burn, Earth, burn
Med EMS: burns a little, that poor Earth
High EMS: only light sun burn

Low EMS: RIP Shepard (in pieces, not in peace)
Med EMS: RIP Shepard (in peace)
High EMS: Live, Shepard. Damnit, stay alive! BREATHE!

^^

[Anubis722]

KaiserShep wrote...

I'd say no. Your squad can die, if you don't meet the minimum requirement. Other than that, you shouldn't lose characters unless it's part of the plot, like it was for Legion and Mordin. Players would simply replace those characters with squad members they like the least. That's what I'd do.

This

[Wulfram]

It's kind of ridiculous that the allied forces on Earth take such massive casualties but all the Normandy and ex-Normandy people get out fine. But it would be hard to do without pissing off a lot of people.

[dreamgazer]

Absolutely, if it fits with the storytelling.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

I just wish we could have seen our allies in action.

[wright1978]

Wulfram wrote...

It's kind of ridiculous that the allied forces on Earth take such massive casualties but all the Normandy and ex-Normandy people get out fine. But it would be hard to do without pissing off a lot of people.

I'd much prefer priority earth be about Shep assigning which squaddies go into the almost suicide situations rather than a you've chosen the option that results in the wiping out of all synthetic life. Sacrifices made by the player in priority would have made it feel real and worthwhile.

[justafan]

wright1978 wrote...

I think there should have been a suicide mission on a grandscale where player got to assign squaddies & former squaddies to positions in the battle. The more dangerous the position & less suited they were to that position should have affected their fate.

Pretty much this.  I loved the suicide mission because it made it feel like your decisions counted.  Whether you did X loyalty mission meant that character Y had a better chance of surviving, and if you were such a crap commander as to assign Grunt to a tech job, then of course he should die in the process.


There is no equivalent in priority Earth, nobody is really at risk.  Oh sure you know the galaxy's fate is riding on you, but you've experienced this in a million other games, what makes ME unique is the attachment you feel to the characters.  Saving the galaxy is not enough, it is expected, the real reward comes from achieving the best possible outcome, and EMS and the really short endings just don't cut it the same way the SM did.

[N7recruit]

Well I'm talking about more Violent & Dramatic injury/death/Goodbye scenes, not that stupid beam run where Harby kills them just cuz. Like lets say Garrus gets his arm ripped off by a Brute, James gets his leg crushed under rubble or Tali getting her face plate Smashed in or something along those lines. The fact they survived without a scratch & Shep (who should have been killed by Harby anyway) gets trashed then vaporized does not seem fair. They are part of this war too you know?