That sounds like a cinematic design issue rather than a writing one.
Do you think/wish some Squad members should have died in the final battle apart from at the Beam run?
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#77
Posté 29 juillet 2013 - 11:50
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David7204 wrote...
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How would your squadmates sacrificing themselves to ensure your success in the final battle not be a "meaningful death?"
The player should never be punished for bringing the characters they like on missions unless there is very significant foreshadowing.
Are Thane fans punished when he's no longer a crew member, and dies? Or does this only apply to current crew some how?
#78
Posté 29 juillet 2013 - 11:55
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Thane's death was explicitly foreshadowed from the beginning. It was always made clear he was going to die.
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Posté 29 juillet 2013 - 11:56
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David7204 wrote...
Thane's death was explicitly foreshadowed from the beginning. It was always made clear he was going to die.
Just not in a stupid way
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Posté 29 juillet 2013 - 11:57
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I don't think it would work all that well since Shepard's job is essentially over when Priority Earth kicks off - the action changes from commando ops to massed infantry charges (except that Shepard magically turns out to be more capable than a tank battalion); it would be like the squad mate pulling Shepard up at the end of ME2 getting shot by a Collector - certainly possible, but a kinda pointless death.
If you want deaths, you should probably have them happen earlier.
If you want deaths, you should probably have them happen earlier.
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#81
Posté 29 juillet 2013 - 11:57
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Point me where it was forshadowed he was going to get stabbed by a lame ninja because Thane was an idiot who ran towards a guy with a knife.David7204 wrote...
Thane's death was explicitly foreshadowed from the beginning. It was always made clear he was going to die.
#82
Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:00
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That's irrelevant. I distinctly remember you proclaiming that there should have been an option to save Thane no matter what and that the fight with Leng was ultimately not the reason behind the frustration with his death, House.
#83
Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:02
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Wrong, I said there should have been a way to save him, not always be able to save him. It would be wise to take off your selective reading glasses. Does not change the fact that Thanes death was done very poorly, always happens and it has nothing to do with his illness.David7204 wrote...
That's irrelevant. I distinctly remember you proclaiming that there should have been an option to save Thane no matter what and that the fight with Leng was ultimately not the reason behind the frustration with his death, House.
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Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:03
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From an in-universe perspective, no. From a meta-perspective, Thane's death has everything to do with his illness.
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Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:05
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David7204 wrote...
From an in-universe perspective, no. From a meta-perspective, Thane's death has everything to do with his illness.
Ah, yes. A symptom of Kepral's syndrome is being impaled by a sword.
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Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:06
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How did Thane die. Did he die because he ran out of oxygen? Did he die because his lungs failed? No he died from a stab wound because HE RAN AT A GUY WITH A KNIFE. Last time i checked, his illness in ME2 said nothing about being stupid and getting stabbed.David7204 wrote...
From an in-universe perspective, no. From a meta-perspective, Thane's death has everything to do with his illness.
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Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:08
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Maybe I should have posted the words "From a meta-perspective" in bold? Size 72 font? All caps?
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Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:09
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It would be grand if you where not closed minded tbh.
#89
Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:12
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He died because he was going to die. Either from Kepral's syndrome or something. BioWare gave him a player friendly death since having him just die in a hospital would be unsatisfying.
And they couldn't just cure Kepral's syndrome.
And they couldn't just cure Kepral's syndrome.
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Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:12
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If he was in top condition he wouldn't have let some scrub like Leng stab him.
#91
Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:13
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really? Who helps the one survivor onto the Normandy?CptData wrote...
Med EMS: one dies (the LI will survive, if no LI is present, the dying one is randomly chosen)
#92
Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:13
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Mr.House wrote...
Wrong, I said there should have been a way to save him, not always be able to save him. It would be wise to take off your selective reading glasses. Does not change the fact that Thanes death was done very poorly, always happens and it has nothing to do with his illness.David7204 wrote...
That's irrelevant. I distinctly remember you proclaiming that there should have been an option to save Thane no matter what and that the fight with Leng was ultimately not the reason behind the frustration with his death, House.
Bit of a stretch there. It might be more accurate to say was not only the cause of his illness.
Considering Thane himself mentions running as being difficult over the intercom and on his death bed makes specific mention of being a terminally ill Drell fighting an assassin, it's not unreasonable to conclude that his illness was a partial cause, even if stupidity also played a role.
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Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:14
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Can bring Shepard back from the dead, can't cure the lungs of a drell.Steelcan wrote...
He died because he was going to die. Either from Kepral's syndrome or something. BioWare gave him a player friendly death since having him just die in a hospital would be unsatisfying.
And they couldn't just cure Kepral's syndrome.
#94
Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:15
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To be totally fair, Thane probably wouldn't have died if it weren't for his KS. The doctor says "there isn't much time" in context of the blood that Thane lost from the stab. Given how advanced he is in his disease, whatever blood he did have wasn't carrying oxygen throughout his body. If he didn't have KS, chances are he could have recovered.
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Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:17
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Claiming that it's a plot hole for Thane's disease not to be cured because Shepard was brought back to life is like claiming it's a plot hole for my browser to run slowly because supercomputers exist.
#96
Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:18
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Mr.House wrote...
Can bring Shepard back from the dead, can't cure the lungs of a drell.Steelcan wrote...
He died because he was going to die. Either from Kepral's syndrome or something. BioWare gave him a player friendly death since having him just die in a hospital would be unsatisfying.
And they couldn't just cure Kepral's syndrome.
Silly House! Don't you know that Lazarus was little more than a plot device to fast forward the story by two years and break up the squad and never again?
Modifié par Ravensword, 30 juillet 2013 - 12:19 .
#97
Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:19
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Sure. There should've been more instances where any member of your squad could die.....and/or there should've been moments when an entire fleet or battalion could've been wiped out, had you incorrectly assigned them to a particular task.
#98
Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:21
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hahaa I like this analogy.David7204 wrote...
Claiming that it's a plot hole for Thane's disease not to be cured because Shepard was brought back to life is like claiming it's a plot hole for my browser to run slowly because supercomputers exist.
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Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:25
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Interesting discussion, but we all know this is about some people not wanting Liara to die.
On anyone's playthrough.
Because she's like James Bond.
On anyone's playthrough.
Because she's like James Bond.
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#100
Posté 30 juillet 2013 - 12:26
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You have no problem with someone coming back to life (despite the fact that Shepards body should have been destoryed) but you have a problem with curing Thanes illness? Oh lawd.David7204 wrote...
Claiming that it's a plot hole for Thane's disease not to be cured because Shepard was brought back to life is like claiming it's a plot hole for my browser to run slowly because supercomputers exist.
