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[BaladasDemnevanni]

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Claiming that it's a plot hole for Thane's disease not to be cured because Shepard was brought back to life is like claiming it's a plot hole for my browser to run slowly because supercomputers exist.

You have no problem with someone coming back to life (despite the fact that Shepards body should have been destoryed) but  you have a problem with curing Thanes illness? Oh lawd.

Personally, I think both ideas are terrible.

[Steelcan]

Two different physiologies

[Seboist]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Claiming that it's a plot hole for Thane's disease not to be cured because Shepard was brought back to life is like claiming it's a plot hole for my browser to run slowly because supercomputers exist.

You have no problem with someone coming back to life (despite the fact that Shepards body should have been destoryed) but  you have a problem with curing Thanes illness? Oh lawd.

Personally, I think both ideas are terrible.

+1

Both Lazarus and curing Thane's illness is teh sux.

[o Ventus]

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Claiming that it's a plot hole for Thane's disease not to be cured because Shepard was brought back to life is like claiming it's a plot hole for my browser to run slowly because supercomputers exist.

You have no problem with someone coming back to life (despite the fact that Shepards body should have been destoryed) but  you have a problem with curing Thanes illness? Oh lawd.

Shepard's body WAS destroyed.

[christrek1982]

HellbirdIV wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

With low ems, sure.

Basically this. I think we should have seen all our forces working together, and depending on our EMS score seeing a lot of casualties or a lot of REAPER casualties.

But then again, if we'd actually seen the Reapers be defeated in conventional combat like the Codex says they were multiple times that would contradict the ending's message of "DEUS EX MACHINA IS ART".

anything that make EMS mean somthing is good as it stands and as far as I can see EMS was just a way to teather you to the MP in order to get the ""best"" ending but the EC sorted that so as it stands EMS mean nothing or at least very little as the ""Best ending"" isn't all that Differant from all the others and isn't all that rewarding.

[Mr.House]

o Ventus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Claiming that it's a plot hole for Thane's disease not to be cured because Shepard was brought back to life is like claiming it's a plot hole for my browser to run slowly because supercomputers exist.

You have no problem with someone coming back to life (despite the fact that Shepards body should have been destoryed) but  you have a problem with curing Thanes illness? Oh lawd.

Shepard's body WAS destroyed.

Then why was her brain still intact?

[christrek1982]

David7204 wrote...

Thane's death was explicitly foreshadowed from the beginning. It was always made clear he was going to die.

yep can't help but agree but on the flip side there was no real reason why shepard could not find the cure on a side mission much like the Hannar Medi-gel/burn cream or whatever it was.

[o Ventus]

Mr.House wrote...

Then why was her brain still intact?

In what world does the brain itself constitute the body?

Did you ignore Jacob when he said that Shepard consisted of "meat and tubes" when Cerberus got ahold of them? Beyond the initial destruction of body tissue from the fall, the body isn't going to decay much, given the climate of Alchera, coupled with Shepard's armor.

Modifié par o Ventus, 30 juillet 2013 - 02:09 .

[christrek1982]

Mr.House wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Claiming that it's a plot hole for Thane's disease not to be cured because Shepard was brought back to life is like claiming it's a plot hole for my browser to run slowly because supercomputers exist.

You have no problem with someone coming back to life (despite the fact that Shepards body should have been destoryed) but  you have a problem with curing Thanes illness? Oh lawd.

Shepard's body WAS destroyed.

Then why was her brain still intact?

the script said so?

[Ravensword]

o Ventus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Claiming that it's a plot hole for Thane's disease not to be cured because Shepard was brought back to life is like claiming it's a plot hole for my browser to run slowly because supercomputers exist.

You have no problem with someone coming back to life (despite the fact that Shepards body should have been destoryed) but  you have a problem with curing Thanes illness? Oh lawd.

Shepard's body WAS destroyed.

Tell that to David.

[Mr.House]

o Ventus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Then why was her brain still intact?

In what world does the brain itself constitute the body?

Did you ignore Jacob when he said that Shepard consisted of "meat and tubes" when Cerbers got ahold of them? Beyond the initial destruction of body tissue from the fall, the body isn't going to decay much, given the climate of Alchera, coupled with Shepard's armor.

The brain is part of your body. If the body was fully destoryed, the brain would have been destoryed or extreamly damaged to the point of it being useless. This is cleary not the case in the game.

[o Ventus]

Mr.House wrote...

The brain is part of your body. If the body was fully destoryed, the brain would have been destoryed or extreamly damaged to the point of it being useless. This is cleary not the case in the game. 

The brain is a part of the body. the brain is not the entire body. If somebody's entire body besides the brain were to disintegrate, saying that "their body is gone" is NOT an incorrect claim. 

You're being pedantic for the sake of being pedantic, without presenting a real, substantial case.

[Mr.House]

o Ventus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The brain is part of your body. If the body was fully destoryed, the brain would have been destoryed or extreamly damaged to the point of it being useless. This is cleary not the case in the game. 

The brain is a part of the body. the brain is not the entire body. If somebody's entire body besides the brain were to disintegrate, saying that "their body is gone" is NOT an incorrect claim. 

You're being pedantic for the sake of being pedantic, without presenting a real, substantial case.

You do know that's imposeable right? Your head is part of your body. If the head get's disintergated so will your brain.

Modifié par Mr.House, 30 juillet 2013 - 02:17 .

[grey_wind]

Seboist wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Claiming that it's a plot hole for Thane's disease not to be cured because Shepard was brought back to life is like claiming it's a plot hole for my browser to run slowly because supercomputers exist.

You have no problem with someone coming back to life (despite the fact that Shepards body should have been destoryed) but  you have a problem with curing Thanes illness? Oh lawd.

Personally, I think both ideas are terrible.

+1

Both Lazarus and curing Thane's illness is teh sux.

Honestly, both Lazarus and saving Thane would be fine depending on the execution. Lazarus was an interesting development that was handled poorly. But had its philosphical, practical and personal implications been addressed, it could have been some really strong stuff.

Same with curing Thane's illness if written well.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Fun fact: if your brain isn't getting enough oxygen your neurons die off. In theory an advanced enough medical procedure could repair the brain matter however neurons are specifically responsible for memories used to function and replicating those in basically impossible because each one if responsible for very specific and personal information storage. You'd need to relearn everything you've learned if they were all gone, which they would largely be if you weren't breathing. Remember back in ME1 when you find that brain dead guy guy on life support for that very reason?

[o Ventus]

Mr.House wrote...

You do know that's imposeable right? Your head is part of your body. If the head get's disintergated so will your brain. 

What the hell? No it isn't.

That's like saying that you'll die if you get a limb amputated, because it's a part of your body.

[Mr.House]

o Ventus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

You do know that's imposeable right? Your head is part of your body. If the head get's disintergated so will your brain. 

What the hell? No it isn't.

That's like saying that you'll die if you get a limb amputated, because it's a part of your body.

Does your limb control every organ and thought in your body?

[o Ventus]

Mr.House wrote...

Does your limb control every organ and thought in your body?

No?

How does this at all relate to the point I presented?

[KaiserShep]

N7recruit wrote...

Well I'm talking about more Violent & Dramatic injury/death/Goodbye scenes, not that stupid beam run where Harby kills them just cuz. Like lets say Garrus gets his arm ripped off by a Brute, James gets his leg crushed under rubble or Tali getting her face plate Smashed in or something along those lines. The fact they survived without a scratch & Shep (who should have been killed by Harby anyway) gets trashed then vaporized does not seem fair. They are part of this war too you know?

Not even baddies die like this in the game. It strikes me as excessive and unfit for the general tone of the game. It works for something like The Last Of Us, but certainly not here.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 30 juillet 2013 - 03:21 .

[Cobalt2113]

o Ventus wrote...

Shepard's body WAS destroyed.

Destroy
1. to reduce (an object) to useless fragments, a useless form, or remains, as by rending, burning, or dissolving; injure beyond repair or renewal; demolish; ruin; annihilate.

By the very definition of the word, Shepard's body was not destroyed, it was damaged, Otherwise they would not have been able to repair it.

Modifié par Cobalt2113, 30 juillet 2013 - 03:20 .

[TheWerdna]

wright1978 wrote...

I think there should have been a suicide mission on a grandscale where player got to assign squaddies & former squaddies to positions in the battle. The more dangerous the position & less suited they were to that position should have affected their fate.

This

[Han Shot First]

Yes, and not just with Low EMS. Even on a perfect run there should have been a couple casualties.

*However* the tradeoff would have to be a legitimately triumphant ending, and not the grimdark 'you just blew up galactic civilization' ending we originally got in ME3.

[KaiserShep]

Killing off regulars that have been there since ME1 or 2, regardless of whether or not you achieved a "perfect run" will only come off as arbitrary unless that character's death is somehow tied to Shepard's directly, just as it's been since ME1. Wrex died for a reason that directly involved Shepard, as did Kirrahe, and Ashley or Kaidan. The ME2 squad's deaths are directly tied into how Shepard deals with both them and the ship. In ME3, this would be tricky. Who would die, and how/why? Would the ME2 squad be immune? I imagine a lot of fans would be puzzled and angry if Miranda,for example, suddenly dies in a cut scene regardless of going through the trouble to have her survive Kai Leng, and Shepard can't even observe this happening, making the ending feel emptier. The sheer number of characters built up to this point, should you help as many characters as you can make it to Priority: Earth, is much too large to do this without relegating deaths in cut scenes or forcing a character you may not have befriended suddenly do something to save you, which won't have much impact at all.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 30 juillet 2013 - 06:15 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Gee, the ending not grim and dark enough for people?

I've got an idea. Why doesn't Bioware hire me to write the next one? I can guarantee you that it will be the grimmest and darkest ending in video game history.