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[schalafi]

If Cullen is in DA:I, will he still be a Templar, or will he have quit in disgust after the Meridith battle? I'm wondering if he will be able to romance an Inquisitor, or even a Mage. I like to play Mage, and am hoping there will be a chance to do that, but not if Cullen still hates/fears them. Any speculation?

[thats1evildude]

My theory is that he would have been forced out of the Order after Meredith's death.

Right or no, he turned on a superior officer. There's not an organization in existence that looks well on "traitors."

Modifié par thats1evildude, 29 juillet 2013 - 10:42 .

[schalafi]

thats1evildude wrote...

My theory is that he would have been forced out of the Order after Meredith's death.

Right or no, he turned on a superior officer. There's not an organization in existence that looks well on "traitors."

He turned on Meridith because he realized that she was insane. As the second in command he had the right to tell her to step down.

[legbamel]

If he were still a Templar I doubt he'd be with the Inquisition, unless as a spy. Actually, that'd be an interesting twist, but I don't see Cullen's character as capable of pulling off such deception.

[thats1evildude]

schalafi wrote...

He turned on Meridith because he realized that she was insane. As the second in command he had the right to tell her to step down.

It doesn't matter. He still turned on his own, and potentially to the defence of a mage-sympathizer. To the templars who weren't there (and even to some who were), he's a dirty traitor.

[schalafi]

legbamel wrote...

If he were still a Templar I doubt he'd be with the Inquisition, unless as a spy. Actually, that'd be an interesting twist, but I don't see Cullen's character as capable of pulling off such deception.

He could be just a warrior, or an ordinary citizen, who wanted to join the pc. That would work.

[schalafi]

thats1evildude wrote...

schalafi wrote...

He turned on Meridith because he realized that she was insane. As the second in command he had the right to tell her to step down.

It doesn't matter. He still turned on his own, and potentially to the defence of a mage-sympathizer. To the templars who weren't there (and even to some who were), he's a dirty traitor.

Not until Meridith threatened her own men with her sword. In a case like that he had no option except to order her to step down.

[franciscoamell]

schalafi wrote...
He could be just a warrior, or an ordinary citizen, who wanted to join the pc. That would work.

That sounds so boring...

[ilikesocks]

A dirty traitor? Wouldn't that make all the templars in Kirkwall dirty traitors then? They all bowed down with him. Depending on which side you sided with makes a slight difference I suppose. Besides, there's nothing dirty about him. He's perfect.

[andy6915]

thats1evildude wrote...

schalafi wrote...

He turned on Meridith because he realized that she was insane. As the second in command he had the right to tell her to step down.

It doesn't matter. He still turned on his own, and potentially to the defence of a mage-sympathizer. To the templars who weren't there (and even to some who were), he's a dirty traitor.

Turned on his own? You realize that just about every military in the world allows you to disobey orders if they conflict with the law, right?

http://usmilitary.ab...eyingorders.htm



"Military discipline and effectiveness is built on the foundation of obedience to orders. Recruits are taught to obey, immediately and without question, orders from their superiors, right from day-one of boot camp.

Military members who fail to obey the lawful orders of their superiors risk serious consequences. Article 90 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) makes it a crime for a military member to WILLFULLY disobey a superior commissioned officer. Article 91 makes it a crime to WILLFULLY disobey a superior Noncommissioned or Warrant Officer. Article 92 makes it a crime to disobey any lawful order (the disobedience does not have to be "willful" under this article).

In fact, under Article 90, during times of war, a military member who willfully disobeys a superior commissioned officer can be sentenced to death.

Seems like pretty good motivation to obey any order you're given, right? Nope. These articles require the obedience of LAWFULorders. An order which is unlawful not only does not need to be obeyed, but obeying such an order can result in criminal prosecution of the one who obeys it. Military courts have long held that military members are accountable for their actions even while following orders -- if the order was illegal."

Militaries are not okay with a superior officer giving orders that go against the law or the ethics of the organization. Cullen was absolutely in line with doing what he did, and in fact might have gotten in far more trouble with the greater Templar order or Seeker order if he hadn't disobeyed her.

Modifié par andy69156915, 29 juillet 2013 - 11:15 .

[thats1evildude]

But he was the only one who actually fought her. And it was he who made the decision to refuse Meredith's orders.

The other templars, they could be excused by the fact that they were just following Cullen's lead.

andy69156915 wrote...

Turned on his own? You realize that just about every military in the world allows you to disobey orders if they conflict with the law, right?

Sure, sure. But there's a gulf between what's allowed and what's condoned.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 29 juillet 2013 - 11:17 .

[andy6915]

thats1evildude wrote...

But he was the only one who actually fought her.

And? If a superior officer decides to order you to unlawfully kill people and you decline, and he decides to take a tank and kill them all anyway... Then using force (attacking) to stop him would be being a traitor? On what planet?

[Melca36]

I'm thinking he's going to be questioned about the events of Kirkwall, Meredith, Hawke, etc.

Perhaps the revelations of about the mage abuse in Kirkwall would make people question him or doubt his abilities and he decides to join Inquisitor to prove himself.   No matter how he is introduced, it sure will be interesting.

[thats1evildude]

I'm not personally condemning Cullen's actions. I'm just saying, he's probably not too popular with his fellow templars after Kirkwall.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 29 juillet 2013 - 11:19 .

[Angrywolves]

I expect we'll see him in DAI.
The smitten want him as a party member/Li.
I don't.

[sandalisthemaker]

At this point, I would be surprised if Cullen wasn't a companion/LI. If he did end up separated from the Templars and possibly even a rebel in trouble with them after the Kirkwall incident, it would make him more interesting.

[andy6915]

You know, I thought Cullen was already confirmed as a companion (as was Cassandra).

[Lord Raijin]

I can see it from 2 situations.

1. If Hawke sides with the Templars Cullen would become the next new Knight-Commander in Kirkwall. If Carver lives he would probably be the new Captain, if he joins the Order.

2. If Hawke sides with the Mages Cullen could very well possibility been executed (Sorry Cullen fangirls out there) for allowing a mage-sympathizer and or a mage leave the city after defeating Meredith. If Hawke sided with the mages he/she becomes the enemy of the Order and to the chantry.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 30 juillet 2013 - 12:02 .

[OLDIRTYBARON]

I know this isn't exactly on topic, but if someone could answer me this I'd be a happy camper:

Why the hell is Cullen so interesting? Is it the voice? The character itself? I'm not hating. I honestly don't get the appeal.

[Lord Raijin]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

I know this isn't exactly on topic, but if someone could answer me this I'd be a happy camper:

Why the hell is Cullen so interesting? Is it the voice? The character itself? I'm not hating. I honestly don't get the appeal.

I firmly believe that Cullen has many female Dragon age players as fans because of his apperence. Hes a pretty boy at best. He's got a baby "cute" face that women tend to adore.

If Cullen was a fat and obese and still had the same voice I don't think he would have as many fans as he does now in his current (Kirkwall version) apperence.

Pretty charecters tend to have more fans than the ugly.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 30 juillet 2013 - 12:13 .

[mopotter]

I can see him promoted either way. If he hadn't stepped in, Meredith would have gone on a killing spree, going after the wealthy citizens as well as anyone else she sees as a threat in her insane world, And Cullen's superiors would have eventually realized that. I'm sure there was an inquiry but after all is said and done,Cullen saved them a world of embarrassment.

Not sure I can see him actually leaving, unless there is another way to get the lyrium for his addiction.

[legbamel]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...
I know this isn't exactly on topic, but if someone could answer me this I'd be a happy camper:

Why the hell is Cullen so interesting? Is it the voice? The character itself? I'm not hating. I honestly don't get the ppeal.

Speaking only for myself, it's partly because he's such a blank slate.  You see glimpses of his character but you never really get to know him and he has gone through horrific things that, outside of a single, possible ending slide, don't seem to have destroyed him.  I'm curious to explore his views on what happened both in Ferelden and in Kirkwall.

Though if I'm honest that voice doesn't hurt, either. 

I don't believe devs have confirmed any companions, have they?

[ilikesocks]

Well, knowing Greg Ellis posted that tweet of himself doing a VA session then deleting it makes me think he will definitely at least appear in DAI. Hopefully, he'll be a companion this time instead of the small parts he played in DAO and DA2.

[mopotter]

Lord Raijin wrote...

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

I know this isn't exactly on topic, but if someone could answer me this I'd be a happy camper:

Why the hell is Cullen so interesting? Is it the voice? The character itself? I'm not hating. I honestly don't get the appeal.

I firmly believe that Cullen has many female Dragon age players as fans because of his apperence. Hes a pretty boy at best. He's got a baby "cute" face that women tend to adore.

If Cullen was a fat and obese and still had the same voice I don't think he would have as many fans as he does now in his current (Kirkwall version) apperence.

Pretty charecters tend to have more fans than the ugly.

Can't say I'm a huge fan, like him but was never looking for him as a LI in DAO which I know some fans wanted.  I like the way his character has grown.  In DA O, I found him a bit irritating.  In DA2 he had grown up and was a man I'd like to have a a friend, and in my head over the years he bacame one, at least in some of the games I played.  And, as for looks, I do think some guys age well and he's one of them.  

But pretty isn't always necessary.  (lots of fans would have liked Zaeed  as a LI in  ME2)   Obese probably wouldn't work out, however, a big guy type like John Goodman, or Jack Black or Kevin James  would probably  work. just fine.  Especially a big guy with a great voice and a chainsaw or something equailly distructive.