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[R2s Muse]

Filament wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

One additional thing to keep in mind is that, as of 9:40, Cassandra, Seeker of Truth and agent of the Divine, has no idea what the heck really happened in Kirkwall. If it was so easy to make a case for Meredith being the Big Bad, you'd think that Cassandra would have known. But instead, she finds out from Varric that "Meredith was to blame."

Which is a bit hard to believe, to be honest.

Absolutely. Which is why I really hope we find out who knew what and when.

[IC-07]

Who's Cullen? I'm serious.

[thats1evildude]

IC-07 wrote...

Who's Cullen? I'm serious.

One of the two main characters in the popular Twilight series. He's a pale-skinned, nigh-indestructible vampire who's in love with Bella Swann. Dragon Age 3 is rumoured to be a cross-over with the Twilight universe.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 30 juillet 2013 - 09:04 .

[Lord Raijin]

thats1evildude wrote...

IC-07 wrote...

Who's Cullen? I'm serious.

One of the two main characters in the popular Twilight series. He's a pale-skinned, nigh-indestructible vampire who's in love with Bella Swann. Dragon Age 3 is rumoured to be a cross-over with the Twilight universe.

And here I thought Cullen was an Abomination.

[EvilChani]

RepHope wrote...

The point about Keran being in the exact same position Cullen was in, and Cullen not showing any sympathy is a good one. Cullen may be a moderate but he's still unstable, definitely a bigot, and he's not as lovable as people make him out to be. Cullen rejecting a Mage PCs advances would be great IMO as it would show he's more than just a boy toy for fan girls, and actually stands up for his beliefs.

Agreed. If he is, indeed, a companion (or even if he is a more prominent NPC), I'd also like to see him falsely accuse a mage companion (or your character, if you're playing a mage) of blood magic to push the issue, leading you to either: kill or banish Cullen (when he won't back down) or, if you choose to side with him (and your chacter is not a mage), kill or banish the mage companion (or make him/her tranquil). If your character is a mage, then Cullen would either have to finally come to terms with the fact that not all mages are evil, and are, indeed, humans (albeit with great power) or he'll have to be put down/cast out/whatever.

That was one thing that drove me crazy with Anders and, to a lesser extent, Fenris. They both got on my last nerve with the way they painted all templars/mages with the same brush. To Anders, all mages were perfect and not responsible in the least for turning to blood magic and making deals with demons, while all templars were spawned from hell and flat out evil. To Fenris, through most of the game, he thinks anything a templar does is justified since all mages are capable of evil. He did change his views somewhat, at least, if you sided with the mages or if Hawke was a mage (he also made comments about Bethany being strong enough to withstand the temptation of demonic power)...it was a great step for his character, in my opinion, to be able to admit that a mage could be a good person (judging them by the content of character rather than their inherent trait of being born a mage) and was what made him leagues better than Anders. He was also a good judge about Anders, recognizing that he was not strong enough to handle the spirit within him.

Anders' views about mages was just as insane as Cullen or Meredith's views, and he was just as much of a bigot, as well as being incapable of seeing past the mage trait (which, in his opinion, made someone inherently good and any evil they committed was someone else's fault for treating them poorly rather than something they consciously chose). The part that really drove home just how nuts a lot of these characters really are was that, after finding out that Anders was the one responsibile for destroying the chantry, Meredith and almost ALL of the templars, including St. Cullen, wanted to punish/destroy every mage in the city! That, IMO, says it all, especially when even Sebastian (an annoying douchebag, at best) could see that all mages were not responsible for Anders' actions. He had his head so firmly up Elthinia's butt he could chew her food, yet he didn't go all psycho and have a sudden desire to kill every mage in a 500 mile radius. But Cullen? He trotted right alongside Meredith, eager to kill or mind rape every mage in the city, then wanted to put Hawke - who spent years busting her ass making the city a better place - in jail for daring to exist, even if she sided with Meredith at first! Ugh! I can't stand his stupid character!

I will say, though, that the only thing that gave me a very small amount of hope for Cullen was when I played an ****hole Hawke that sided with the templars, and she showed mercy to the mages who submitted, Cullen went along with it against Meredith's wishes. Of course, he was still willing to screw over Hawke, in the end, simply because Meredith ordered it. Too bad they can't make templars tranquil...Cullen would be a great candidate.

[IC-07]

thats1evildude wrote...

IC-07 wrote...

Who's Cullen? I'm serious.

One of the two main characters in the popular Twilight series. He's a pale-skinned, nigh-indestructible vampire who's in love with Bella Swann. Dragon Age 3 is rumoured to be a cross-over with the Twilight universe.

Nothing to respect, I guess.

[Danny Boy 7]

Lord Raijin wrote...

discosuperfly wrote...

schalafi wrote...

If Cullen is in DA:I, will he still be a Templar, or will he have quit in disgust after the Meridith battle? I'm wondering if he will be able to romance an Inquisitor, or even a Mage. I like to play Mage, and am hoping there will be a chance to do that, but not if Cullen still hates/fears them. Any speculation?

In DA2, I never got the impression that he hated mages but he has every reason to fear them given his experience. I would welcome him as a potential companion in the next game simply because of how experienced he is with just how wrong magic can go.

He shows his hatred for mages in his own little way

That's distrust....very different than hate.

[Maria Caliban]

Lord Raijin wrote...

If Mages were a complete different race... people like Cullen would be considered as a racist.

If Asians could conjure fireballs, turn corpses into zombies, and strip other humans of their free will, your comment would be spot on.

[rapscallioness]

Most Templars do not like and distrust mages. Even actively despise them. And they do this w/out even being tortured by bloodmages.

I wouldn't expect Cullen to be different. He is a Templar. And this is the belief system that's been in place for almost a thousand years in Thedas.

[brushyourteeth]

rapscallioness wrote...

Most Templars do not like and distrust mages. Even actively despise them. And they do this w/out even being tortured by bloodmages.

I wouldn't expect Cullen to be different. He is a Templar. And this is the belief system that's been in place for almost a thousand years in Thedas.

I think your comments have the ring of truth to them, and yet Cullen is in a unique position to sympathize with mages.

He was, in fact, tortured by demons -- not mages, although it was Uldred who was to blame for his imprisonment and the death of all his friends. Demons prey on mages, and that's the bulk of the danger they pose to society. He's felt what they feel -- he came very close to becoming an abomination himself.

Given what we know about the plot of DA:I, that's a distinction that could be important if he's more than a cameo appearance. He's already shown a natural inclination toward sympathy with mages and fair treatment (in DA:O's prologue and arguably speckled throughout DAII) -- it'd be interesting to see if he could grow into a mature version of that naïve trust now that he's seen for himself what the danger looks like, if for no other reason than to at least pursue a common enemy.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 31 juillet 2013 - 12:04 .

[Danny Boy 7]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

My point still stands Meredith could have promoted Alrik since he doesn't disagree with her which was the point you were trying to make as to why Cullen was promoted. The fact being that she doesn't so Cullen could and does disagree and even opposes her on various occassions though this is often overshadowed by his last act in DA2. He keeps three mages from execution and when Meredith confronts him he says he'll take responsibility for them because he thinks that's what a templar should do. Well before the final quest I might add. 

But that's what I'm getting at we don't know "surely" that he even knew let alone whether or not he turned a blind eye to it. Considering his own beliefs that mages should be protected albeit imprisoned and that he didn't rape the mage origin player....it's safe to speculate that it's unlikely that he didn't know about it. His doubts were more focused around whether Meredith was still doing the right thing and by extension the rest of the templars.

I was also shy and know plenty of shy people. At least one of them can't talk with other people outside of family and acts like a 10 year old sometimes by hiding behind her mother or walking/running away. She's luckily grown out of the more disabling effects of her shyness, but it's hardly unheard of. That and Cullen may be a bit of a prude which might account for why he was so flustered. That and the animations keep him from walking away very fast.

Leliana knows who to blame. She has a clear target, Marjolain and that Ferelden commander. As does Silas and Sketch. You'll also notice that they both get revenge on their captors providing some closure. Just about every character gets at their abuser except Cullen. He has no clear enemy and so he blames mages. Zathrian curses an entire clan of humans with something that turns them into mad beasts. It then passed to their innocent descendants who he allowed to live in pain for the majority of their lives....yeah he's dealing with it well. Hell you have to beat Zathrian down before he relents. The worst thing Cullen does before the final battle is **** A LOT. My point here being that he doesn't get any closure and up until the Annulment he doesn't kill anyone he blames for his trauma something Leliana, Fenris, Sketch, Silas, the Warden, Anders as well as many other get to do.

Cullen killing mages during the final battle is inexcusable I will admit that, but I will also mention that Anders had just blown up the Chantry and that his, for lack of a better term, hate was directed at mages. Unfortunately it was the wrong mages. Fenris trusts Hawke doesn't necessarily mean he agrees that mages should be protected. Not to mention the main source of his pain is dead and buried.

Of course alrik disagree with meredith and as i sad arlik is independent templar cullen is tool who agree with meredith and sorry but we can see what happens when you openly disagree with meredith you will be degraded.He never opposed her... no he keeps only hawke keeps this mages he only suggests that maybe we should do that and that mages will be made tranquil.

[inappropriate comments removed.]

Of course cullen have someone to blame uldred or that what he was so you obviously try make him super handicapped only difference is that leliana killed Raleigh but still she is not crying how ferelden hurt her nor silas and she could if she want to human noble also hold his crusade against Howe but not fereldens or others peoples except moment when you tell him that you will kill his family what is scare rather than truth and he/she is not crying despite that she/he got huge psychological bomb.Zathrian seems be full of hatred be he do that with dignity and we can convince to let his anger go. 

So templars deeds in kirkwall makes Cullen at best extremely incompetent [inappropriate comments removed]

Fenris can understand his hypocrisy about freedom helping mage hawke who helps mages can or not be huge steps forward in cullen case he did nothing for mages and many thing against them.

We have one instance of Alrik disagreeing with Meredith and that is via his attempt to enact his tranquil solution and her turning him down. At no time is he shown to be independent,  but if he were it would further validate my point that he acted alone in the rapings. He is actually followed by a small group of templars when you fight him and had enough subordinates for the "solution" to even be a discussion within the order.

Cullen wasn't directly tortured by Uldred and by the time the Warden frees him we don't know how many demons have messed with him. Leliana was raped by Raleigh and betrayed directly by Majorlaine, one of whom was summarily killed shortly after. Leliana actually becomes bitter if you choose to let Majorlaine leave alive so it's clear that she has some unresolved issues. The Warden can several times mention that he is mainly after Howe and how he hates his family so you could categorize that as "crying". I categorize it as grief, but hey we're using your definition. Zathrian tries to kill you before he submits. It seems to me that your upset that Cullen was upset...that he "cried" about it. It seems like your angry that he had an emotional response. 

[Danny Boy 7]

Sry double post

Modifié par Danny Boy 7, 31 juillet 2013 - 12:30 .

[DarthLaxian]

thats1evildude wrote...

My theory is that he would have been forced out of the Order after Meredith's death.

Right or no, he turned on a superior officer. There's not an organization in existence that looks well on "traitors."

Why not - initiative is not always punished (even more as the (new) divine is mage friendly (at least she appears that way...might be a ploy, after all she can't controll her templars))?

As for a mage romancing him (if he is a companion - which is possible (i don't know what to think on that issue, as he behaves erraticly towards mages and i tend to play them (also more the male kind, then the female and i tend not to do male/male-romances (i watch the vids on YT if i am curious))):

Might be hard to do, but why the hell not? (you could romance Fenris (and he despises mages!))

greetings LAX

[duckley]

What am I missing? I never got the impression that there was rampant rape of Mages, but it seems that many seem to think that there was lots of rape.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

My point still stands Meredith could have promoted Alrik since he doesn't disagree with her which was the point you were trying to make as to why Cullen was promoted. The fact being that she doesn't so Cullen could and does disagree and even opposes her on various occassions though this is often overshadowed by his last act in DA2. He keeps three mages from execution and when Meredith confronts him he says he'll take responsibility for them because he thinks that's what a templar should do. Well before the final quest I might add. 

But that's what I'm getting at we don't know "surely" that he even knew let alone whether or not he turned a blind eye to it. Considering his own beliefs that mages should be protected albeit imprisoned and that he didn't rape the mage origin player....it's safe to speculate that it's unlikely that he didn't know about it. His doubts were more focused around whether Meredith was still doing the right thing and by extension the rest of the templars.

I was also shy and know plenty of shy people. At least one of them can't talk with other people outside of family and acts like a 10 year old sometimes by hiding behind her mother or walking/running away. She's luckily grown out of the more disabling effects of her shyness, but it's hardly unheard of. That and Cullen may be a bit of a prude which might account for why he was so flustered. That and the animations keep him from walking away very fast.

Leliana knows who to blame. She has a clear target, Marjolain and that Ferelden commander. As does Silas and Sketch. You'll also notice that they both get revenge on their captors providing some closure. Just about every character gets at their abuser except Cullen. He has no clear enemy and so he blames mages. Zathrian curses an entire clan of humans with something that turns them into mad beasts. It then passed to their innocent descendants who he allowed to live in pain for the majority of their lives....yeah he's dealing with it well. Hell you have to beat Zathrian down before he relents. The worst thing Cullen does before the final battle is **** A LOT. My point here being that he doesn't get any closure and up until the Annulment he doesn't kill anyone he blames for his trauma something Leliana, Fenris, Sketch, Silas, the Warden, Anders as well as many other get to do.

Cullen killing mages during the final battle is inexcusable I will admit that, but I will also mention that Anders had just blown up the Chantry and that his, for lack of a better term, hate was directed at mages. Unfortunately it was the wrong mages. Fenris trusts Hawke doesn't necessarily mean he agrees that mages should be protected. Not to mention the main source of his pain is dead and buried.

Of course alrik disagree with meredith and as i sad arlik is independent templar cullen is tool who agree with meredith and sorry but we can see what happens when you openly disagree with meredith you will be degraded.He never opposed her... no he keeps only hawke keeps this mages he only suggests that maybe we should do that and that mages will be made tranquil.

[inappropriate comments removed.]

Of course cullen have someone to blame uldred or that what he was so you obviously try make him super handicapped only difference is that leliana killed Raleigh but still she is not crying how ferelden hurt her nor silas and she could if she want to human noble also hold his crusade against Howe but not fereldens or others peoples except moment when you tell him that you will kill his family what is scare rather than truth and he/she is not crying despite that she/he got huge psychological bomb.Zathrian seems be full of hatred be he do that with dignity and we can convince to let his anger go. 

So templars deeds in kirkwall makes Cullen at best extremely incompetent [inappropriate comments removed]

Fenris can understand his hypocrisy about freedom helping mage hawke who helps mages can or not be huge steps forward in cullen case he did nothing for mages and many thing against them.

We have one instance of Alrik disagreeing with Meredith and that is via his attempt to enact his tranquil solution and her turning him down. At no time is he shown to be independent,  but if he were it would further validate my point that he acted alone in the rapings. He is actually followed by a small group of templars when you fight him and had enough subordinates for the "solution" to even be a discussion within the order.

Cullen wasn't directly tortured by Uldred and by the time the Warden frees him we don't know how many demons have messed with him. Leliana was raped by Raleigh and betrayed directly by Majorlaine, one of whom was summarily killed shortly after. Leliana actually becomes bitter if you choose to let Majorlaine leave alive so it's clear that she has some unresolved issues. The Warden can several times mention that he is mainly after Howe and how he hates his family so you could categorize that as "crying". I categorize it as grief, but hey we're using your definition. Zathrian tries to kill you before he submits. It seems to me that your upset that Cullen was upset...that he "cried" about it. It seems like your angry that he had an emotional response. 

Arlik was independent why because he had own activity many cullen is puppet. Warden family wasn't directly killed by how so you making up excuse warden can mention that he want get how not "ohoho i will them all every damn guard they are evil we can't trust them" cullen was moaning.Yeah zathrian try to kill us and it that his flaw yep but that have references here but finally he goes away like fenris who leaves us and go the other side and he can come back to us.

And i don't understand why some part of my comment are stated as inappropriate Hitler is historical character and i use him as comparison to fictional character i don't see harm if use that cullen is second George Washington there then it won't be a probllem there is no insult in that.

That same for comment about shy peoples i didn't insult them i said that that they aren't retarded as some try paint them so i give them compliment.

[MisterJB]

duckley wrote...

What am I missing? I never got the impression that there was rampant rape of Mages, but it seems that many seem to think that there was lots of rape.

People completely blow the conditions in the Circle out of proportions. We know for a fact Alrik was using Tranquils as sex objects and Karras raped Alain.
These are awful situations but it's worth noting that these two are the only cases we know for sure happened, that no other mages in the entirety of Dragon Age lore ever gave the impression of having been sexually abused and that; even in Kirkwall; Karras threatened to punish Alain if he told anyone what he was doing to him suggesting that even in what is considered to be the worst Circle in Thedas, rape was something that would be punished if it was discovered which, in turn, suggests it was not rampant or it would be common knowledge it was happening.

[TheKomandorShepard]

MisterJB wrote...

duckley wrote...

What am I missing? I never got the impression that there was rampant rape of Mages, but it seems that many seem to think that there was lots of rape.

People completely blow the conditions in the Circle out of proportions. We know for a fact Alrik was using Tranquils as sex objects and Karras raped Alain.
These are awful situations but it's worth noting that these two are the only cases we know for sure happened, that no other mages in the entirety of Dragon Age lore ever gave the impression of having been sexually abused and that; even in Kirkwall; Karras threatened to punish Alain if he told anyone what he was doing to him suggesting that even in what is considered to be the worst Circle in Thedas, rape was something that would be punished if it was discovered which, in turn, suggests it was not rampant or it would be common knowledge it was happening.

Ser alrick had many allies or own peoples who know what they doing and please punished? we seen even in first game where we need direct caught that we could accused initiate by knight commander when mage can be punished when there is one witness templar word above mage and that was one of "best" circles for mage. We seen that too a lot templars hates in gallows so only guess that they care and we can hear in third act that mages are beaten there. 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 31 juillet 2013 - 05:15 .

[rapscallioness]

brushyourteeth wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Most Templars do not like and distrust mages. Even actively despise them. And they do this w/out even being tortured by bloodmages.

I wouldn't expect Cullen to be different. He is a Templar. And this is the belief system that's been in place for almost a thousand years in Thedas.

I think your comments have the ring of truth to them, and yet Cullen is in a unique position to sympathize with mages.

He was, in fact, tortured by demons -- not mages, although it was Uldred who was to blame for his imprisonment and the death of all his friends. Demons prey on mages, and that's the bulk of the danger they pose to society. He's felt what they feel -- he came very close to becoming an abomination himself.

Given what we know about the plot of DA:I, that's a distinction that could be important if he's more than a cameo appearance. He's already shown a natural inclination toward sympathy with mages and fair treatment (in DA:O's prologue and arguably speckled throughout DAII) -- it'd be interesting to see if he could grow into a mature version of that naïve trust now that he's seen for himself what the danger looks like, if for no other reason than to at least pursue a common enemy.

Well, what I was really trying to get at was that ppl should not be surprised that Cullen's views on mages come from a Templar/Chantry viewpoint. Because he is a Templar. This is what they have been taught abt mages for centuries. This is what they do. He's spouting exactly what he's been taught. And of course it doesn't help that he went through what he did in the Tower.

I definitely think there's room for growth. Cassandra did it in DotS. She despised mages in the beginning, but after meeting and traveling w/that one mage guy, she grew.

Cullen has not had that kinda experience. And I daresay Cass loathed mages more than Cullen.

[duckley]

Thanks Mister JB.
I like the Cullen character. He is definately not a black and white character. I think he is a guy who wants to do the right thing, but has learned through his experiences that the right thing is no longer clear. Cullen has been betrayed in a way by both mages and templar alike, so it wouldnt surprize me if he joined the Inquistion to find a new solution to the challenges mages pose.

There was a wonderful mod done for Cullen in DA2, which shows him in a relationship with the female Amell character, and I got to say that mod made me a fangirl. So I would love to have hom as a companion and a LI. I would love to this this multidimensional character resolve his dilemma regarding mages...

[dragondreamer]

You can hear mages being beaten at the Gallows as early as the first act.

[Danny Boy 7]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

My point still stands Meredith could have promoted Alrik since he doesn't disagree with her which was the point you were trying to make as to why Cullen was promoted. The fact being that she doesn't so Cullen could and does disagree and even opposes her on various occassions though this is often overshadowed by his last act in DA2. He keeps three mages from execution and when Meredith confronts him he says he'll take responsibility for them because he thinks that's what a templar should do. Well before the final quest I might add. 

But that's what I'm getting at we don't know "surely" that he even knew let alone whether or not he turned a blind eye to it. Considering his own beliefs that mages should be protected albeit imprisoned and that he didn't rape the mage origin player....it's safe to speculate that it's unlikely that he didn't know about it. His doubts were more focused around whether Meredith was still doing the right thing and by extension the rest of the templars.

I was also shy and know plenty of shy people. At least one of them can't talk with other people outside of family and acts like a 10 year old sometimes by hiding behind her mother or walking/running away. She's luckily grown out of the more disabling effects of her shyness, but it's hardly unheard of. That and Cullen may be a bit of a prude which might account for why he was so flustered. That and the animations keep him from walking away very fast.

Leliana knows who to blame. She has a clear target, Marjolain and that Ferelden commander. As does Silas and Sketch. You'll also notice that they both get revenge on their captors providing some closure. Just about every character gets at their abuser except Cullen. He has no clear enemy and so he blames mages. Zathrian curses an entire clan of humans with something that turns them into mad beasts. It then passed to their innocent descendants who he allowed to live in pain for the majority of their lives....yeah he's dealing with it well. Hell you have to beat Zathrian down before he relents. The worst thing Cullen does before the final battle is **** A LOT. My point here being that he doesn't get any closure and up until the Annulment he doesn't kill anyone he blames for his trauma something Leliana, Fenris, Sketch, Silas, the Warden, Anders as well as many other get to do.

Cullen killing mages during the final battle is inexcusable I will admit that, but I will also mention that Anders had just blown up the Chantry and that his, for lack of a better term, hate was directed at mages. Unfortunately it was the wrong mages. Fenris trusts Hawke doesn't necessarily mean he agrees that mages should be protected. Not to mention the main source of his pain is dead and buried.

Of course alrik disagree with meredith and as i sad arlik is independent templar cullen is tool who agree with meredith and sorry but we can see what happens when you openly disagree with meredith you will be degraded.He never opposed her... no he keeps only hawke keeps this mages he only suggests that maybe we should do that and that mages will be made tranquil.

[inappropriate comments removed.]

Of course cullen have someone to blame uldred or that what he was so you obviously try make him super handicapped only difference is that leliana killed Raleigh but still she is not crying how ferelden hurt her nor silas and she could if she want to human noble also hold his crusade against Howe but not fereldens or others peoples except moment when you tell him that you will kill his family what is scare rather than truth and he/she is not crying despite that she/he got huge psychological bomb.Zathrian seems be full of hatred be he do that with dignity and we can convince to let his anger go. 

So templars deeds in kirkwall makes Cullen at best extremely incompetent [inappropriate comments removed]

Fenris can understand his hypocrisy about freedom helping mage hawke who helps mages can or not be huge steps forward in cullen case he did nothing for mages and many thing against them.

We have one instance of Alrik disagreeing with Meredith and that is via his attempt to enact his tranquil solution and her turning him down. At no time is he shown to be independent,  but if he were it would further validate my point that he acted alone in the rapings. He is actually followed by a small group of templars when you fight him and had enough subordinates for the "solution" to even be a discussion within the order.

Cullen wasn't directly tortured by Uldred and by the time the Warden frees him we don't know how many demons have messed with him. Leliana was raped by Raleigh and betrayed directly by Majorlaine, one of whom was summarily killed shortly after. Leliana actually becomes bitter if you choose to let Majorlaine leave alive so it's clear that she has some unresolved issues. The Warden can several times mention that he is mainly after Howe and how he hates his family so you could categorize that as "crying". I categorize it as grief, but hey we're using your definition. Zathrian tries to kill you before he submits. It seems to me that your upset that Cullen was upset...that he "cried" about it. It seems like your angry that he had an emotional response. 

Arlik was independent why because he had own activity many cullen is puppet. Warden family wasn't directly killed by how so you making up excuse warden can mention that he want get how not "ohoho i will them all every damn guard they are evil we can't trust them" cullen was moaning.Yeah zathrian try to kill us and it that his flaw yep but that have references here but finally he goes away like fenris who leaves us and go the other side and he can come back to us.

And i don't understand why some part of my comment are stated as inappropriate Hitler is historical character and i use him as comparison to fictional character i don't see harm if use that cullen is second George Washington there then it won't be a probllem there is no insult in that.

That same for comment about shy peoples i didn't insult them i said that that they aren't retarded as some try paint them so i give them compliment.

Alrik's independent actions or rather action is an isolated incident in the character's history. This however does not explain why he is not Knight-Captain. However Cullen's opposition of Meredith is completely ignored because for some reason it doesn't count. 

Actually Howe admits to killing the Warden's mother though I suspect this was to torment him/her. And I don't know about you, but I killed every Howe guard I came across. By the end my Warden had killed more than his share of Howe men and the perpetrator of the crime himself and I COULD STILL hang Nathaniel for being a Howe. But imagine if during the game they said we couldn't kill him...I'd whine. Hell most people on this forum complain they can't kill characters all the time. I'm not saying he should be able to, but it's not unreasonable that he assigns blame to members of the same order as the person who lead to his torment. Oh and Cullen was "Kill all mages!" For about three minutes in Origins followed by, "I don't trust them" in DA2. 

You obviously violated some of the site's rules. Idk. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Alrik's independent actions or rather action is an isolated incident in the character's history. This however does not explain why he is not Knight-Captain. However Cullen's opposition of Meredith is completely ignored because for some reason it doesn't count. 

Actually Howe admits to killing the Warden's mother though I suspect this was to torment him/her. And I don't know about you, but I killed every Howe guard I came across. By the end my Warden had killed more than his share of Howe men and the perpetrator of the crime himself and I COULD STILL hang Nathaniel for being a Howe. But imagine if during the game they said we couldn't kill him...I'd whine. Hell most people on this forum complain they can't kill characters all the time. I'm not saying he should be able to, but it's not unreasonable that he assigns blame to members of the same order as the person who lead to his torment. Oh and Cullen was "Kill all mages!" For about three minutes in Origins followed by, "I don't trust them" in DA2. 

You obviously violated some of the site's rules. Idk. 

Arlic actions wasn't incident he did that many times he has own businesses and had allies in doing that. Arlic wasn't puppet like cullen because had own brain and better have your puppet as right hand that somone who could think his own you should ask Darth Sidious.  You couldn't kill Nathaniel because he was Howe you could kill him because he was dangerous and steal from you (unfortunately devs give the warden some their own traits in awakening).Howe said many thing also that warden mother kissed his feet what of course most likely attempt to pissed off the warden stupid one but howe isn't too smart. Warden can be played as someone who cares less or more you can't moan. Hmm i would kill every character i want too (except that very important) why i like such freedom. Cullen is "kill all mages" for three minutes latter is little a very little better with his hatred. 

About rules not ,the problem is there is nothing about using historical figure figure to compare fictional character there is only rule that doesn't allow insult other members of community so if i compare you for example to Hitler that would be insulting for you but i don't , i also doesn't insult shy peoples i just said they aren't act like they are painted in TV.  

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 31 juillet 2013 - 06:07 .

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Filament wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...

One additional thing to keep in mind is that, as of 9:40, Cassandra, Seeker of Truth and agent of the Divine, has no idea what the heck really happened in Kirkwall. If it was so easy to make a case for Meredith being the Big Bad, you'd think that Cassandra would have known. But instead, she finds out from Varric that "Meredith was to blame."

Which is a bit hard to believe, to be honest.

There's no indication she didn't know Meredith went insane and needed to be put down.

However, she also knew that Hawke's expedition is the one that brought back the lyrium idol. At the beginning of the game, she thinks that Hawke orchestrated events for her own purpose.

What is difficult to believe is that she's readily accepts Veric's version of events in the end. Hawke just happened to befriend the guy who blew up the chantry and just happened to have brought back a lyrium idol that just happened to have made it into the Knight-Commander's hand and made her crazy and it just happened the Champion was the one to put her down after killing Orsino.

If Hawke is pro-mage, it looks like she attempted to overthrown the chantry and circle. If Hawke is pro-templar, it looks like she decided to become the ruler of Kirkwall by systematically killing off everyone else in authority.