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[Melca36]

duckley wrote...

What am I missing? I never got the impression that there was rampant rape of Mages, but it seems that many seem to think that there was lots of rape.

Um... Ser Karas sexually abused Alain. Did you not listen to the ambient dialogue?

Did you ever listen by the gallows and hear the screams of agony and the Whipping sounds?

[Melca36]

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Modifié par Melca36, 31 juillet 2013 - 08:00 .

[duckley]

Melca36 wrote...

duckley wrote...

What am I missing? I never got the impression that there was rampant rape of Mages, but it seems that many seem to think that there was lots of rape.

Um... Ser Karas sexually abused Alain. Did you not listen to the ambient dialogue?

Did you ever listen by the gallows and hear the screams of agony and the Whipping sounds?

My query was about the rampant rape of mages not the one or two incidents that were clearly identified in the game. I apparently missed that the "screams of agony and Whipping sounds" could be co strued as evidence of rampant rape.

[CuriousArtemis]

duckley wrote...

My query was about the rampant rape of mages not the one or two incidents that were clearly identified in the game. I apparently missed that the "screams of agony and Whipping sounds" could be co strued as evidence of rampant rape.

You know, this is making me think. Both Bethany and Ella write letters to Hawke telling him/her that things aren't so bad in the Circle. Ella mentions "dark whispers" or some such thing, but I don't think this is in regards to abuse. (Then again, I'm not sure what it's in regards to.) 

I feel like we get so many conflicting accounts of what the Circle is like. I'm glad Asunder was written so it could give us a more detailed account of what a Circle is like.

[Maria Caliban]

motomotogirl wrote...
Ella mentions "dark whispers" or some such thing, but I don't think this is in regards to abuse.

She also says that 'terrible days are coming,' which suggests people in the Circle realize there's something up with Meredith or Orsino.

[duckley]

motomotogirl wrote...

duckley wrote...

My query was about the rampant rape of mages not the one or two incidents that were clearly identified in the game. I apparently missed that the "screams of agony and Whipping sounds" could be co strued as evidence of rampant rape.

You know, this is making me think. Both Bethany and Ella write letters to Hawke telling him/her that things aren't so bad in the Circle. Ella mentions "dark whispers" or some such thing, but I don't think this is in regards to abuse. (Then again, I'm not sure what it's in regards to.) 

I feel like we get so many conflicting accounts of what the Circle is like. I'm glad Asunder was written so it could give us a more detailed account of what a Circle is like.

I agree ... it seems some Circles are better than others. I wonder if it depends on who the Knight Commander is and who the First Enchanter is. Ferelden seemed to have competent people in those roles - Kirkwalll not so much. Orsino seemed pretty ineffective and Meredith was a whacky fanatic. Orlais seems as creepy as Kirkwall 

Modifié par duckley, 01 août 2013 - 10:55 .

[d1ta]

Since this thread is about discussing Cullen (and I don't know any other place to ask better about this question) so here goes: speculations aside, if Cullen is made into a companion/LI do you think that there will be some nasty surprises waiting in his romance ark? I have nothing against the guy (neutral) but considering Alistair-F!warden (dark ritual) and Anders-Hawk,.. Hoo boy. I'm inclined to expect some ugly bagages for romancing a human LI.

I hope Cullen fans can answer this.

[brushyourteeth]

d1ta wrote...

Since this thread is about discussing Cullen (and I don't know any other place to ask better about this question) so here goes: speculations aside, if Cullen is made into a companion/LI do you think that there will be some nasty surprises waiting in his romance ark? I have nothing against the guy (neutral) but considering Alistair-F!warden (dark ritual) and Anders-Hawk,.. Hoo boy. I'm inclined to expect some ugly bagages for romancing a human LI.

I hope Cullen fans can answer this.

Two words: lyrium. addiction.

Two more words: Chantry. politics.

Okay, two more: Chastity. vows.

Alright, those last two aren't really that big a deal and are questionable as far as DG's canon goes. But there's a lot to be concerned about, especially since Cullen is all about duty. If you practice blood magic, there's a chance he will simply cut you down. If you attack his chosen faction of the Chantry in any way, he may simply cut you down. If their supplies of lyrium are running short, he may descend into complete madness and become a gaunt shell of his former self. If he even suspects you are conversing with demons, he may go all PTSD on you and accuse you of all sorts of atrocities.

Actually, my preferred theory about Cullen's current situation is that the Chantry blamed him for the events at Kirkwall, so he left the Order and has been drowning himself in drink and living like a scoundrel in a filthy tavern somewhere until you pick him up. If he's being hunted by Chantry agents, and they demand that you return him to their custody...

So yes, many things could go badly.

[d1ta]

XD.. Oh wow, I applaud your bravery for still supporting him I after all your explanation above XD. It takes a lot of courage. Btw can you point me a direction where I might find anything I have to know about the dude (just not the wikia,.LoL) maybe a fan thread or something. I'm curious about what makes him stad out to you guys (his fans) and figure it might be easier for me to find out about it based on your pov.

Thanks for the answer btw =)

[Battlebloodmage]

d1ta wrote...

XD.. Oh wow, I applaud your bravery for still supporting him I after all your explanation above XD. It takes a lot of courage. Btw can you point me a direction where I might find anything I have to know about the dude (just not the wikia,.LoL) maybe a fan thread or something. I'm curious about what makes him stad out to you guys (his fans) and figure it might be easier for me to find out about it based on your pov.

Thanks for the answer btw =)

I would actually prefer for Cullen to have a bit of a drama actually. I have always envisoned as a broken down man who ran away from the templar's order, probably become a fugitive after the event of DA2.

Here is the Cullen fan thread. Come visit us sometimes. 

http://social.biowar...index/8201931/1

[Sabariel]

He's going to return... as a mustache-twirling villain. And the world will drown in a sea of Fangirl Tears.

[brushyourteeth]

d1ta wrote...

XD.. Oh wow, I applaud your bravery for still supporting him I after all your explanation above XD. It takes a lot of courage. Btw can you point me a direction where I might find anything I have to know about the dude (just not the wikia,.LoL) maybe a fan thread or something. I'm curious about what makes him stad out to you guys (his fans) and figure it might be easier for me to find out about it based on your pov.

Thanks for the answer btw =)

You're so welcome! 

I think that people (both fangirls and character haters) forget that what Bioware is about is interesting (not perfect) characters. You get people who insist that Cullen is boring or forgettable, and you get people who insist that he's a psycho that everyone should be happy to murder knife at the first opportunity. I don't think either of those groups of people have been paying attention. He's polarizing partly because he's himself pretty torn.

Cullen fits a niche in the world that no one else has (at least up until Evangeline was introduced, and even then they both have had some unique experiences). Cullen is conflicted: he wants to believe that mages are just like normal people, but he's seen the worst of what can happen when one is careless or abuses their power. He wants to believe that the Chantry can be followed and trusted completely, but he's seen them make careless choices and abuse their power also. So what does he do? We're hoping that we get the chance to hear the answer to that question, whether in a future game or a novel or a bit of fluff one of the writers puts out one day for fun.

Now, his devotion to a F!Mage!Warden in DA:O and his amazingly talented and alluring voice actor (Greg Ellis) and the fact that as of DAII he wasn't bad looking have all kind of lead people to assume that his fans just want a fresh-faced virgin to corrupt. And I think for some people that would be it. But I think all of the drama we've already talked about, and his struggle (and it is a struggle, because he fails in a few very big ways) to do the right thing by both mages and non-mages is pretty interesting.

That's what I'm hoping to see from him in the future.

Also, what my friend bbm said above: you can come to the DAII Cullen Companion thread if you're interested! All our welcome, though that crowd is sadly used to abuse and regular flaming, so make sure you let them know that you're a friendly sort when you're introduced!!

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 02 août 2013 - 09:02 .

[duckley]

I agree that Cullen may be a kind of metaphor for the mage templar conflict. He is certainly not a black and white character. He has been betrayed by both sides and it would be interesting to see where he lands.
When he was trapped by Uldred, I would guess he went without lyrium. Did he kick the habit or did he go back to using the stuff. It would be interesting to see how they would deal with the lyrium issue if an ex-templar joined the Inquisition

[Todd23]

He loses his mind and becomes a Mage serial killer (I assume that's why Meredith brought him in the first place). And yet turns on her when she starts murdering mages? It was clearly an excuse for him to grab power and replace the-at the time, most powerful person in Kirkwall. An option to kill him in Inquisition is a must.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Todd23 wrote...

He loses his mind and becomes a Mage serial killer (I assume that's why Meredith brought him in the first place). And yet turns on her when she starts murdering mages? It was clearly an excuse for him to grab power and replace the-at the time, most powerful person in Kirkwall. An option to kill him in Inquisition is a must.

You mean epilogue when we free circle it was rumor like others epilogues but i still think that his epilogue was truth just happend in DA 2 ending and killed more than 3 mages. I would like option to kill him despite that in both game i don't kill any companion in main playthrough.

[Todd23]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

He loses his mind and becomes a Mage serial killer (I assume that's why Meredith brought him in the first place). And yet turns on her when she starts murdering mages? It was clearly an excuse for him to grab power and replace the-at the time, most powerful person in Kirkwall. An option to kill him in Inquisition is a must.

You mean epilogue when we free circle it was rumor like others epilogues but i still think that his epilogue was truth just happend in DA 2 ending and killed more than 3 mages. I would like option to kill him despite that in both game i don't kill any companion in main playthrough.

Some epilogues are stated as facts (this one included) and others as rumors.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Todd23 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Todd23 wrote...

He loses his mind and becomes a Mage serial killer (I assume that's why Meredith brought him in the first place). And yet turns on her when she starts murdering mages? It was clearly an excuse for him to grab power and replace the-at the time, most powerful person in Kirkwall. An option to kill him in Inquisition is a must.

You mean epilogue when we free circle it was rumor like others epilogues but i still think that his epilogue was truth just happend in DA 2 ending and killed more than 3 mages. I would like option to kill him despite that in both game i don't kill any companion in main playthrough.

Some epilogues are stated as facts (this one included) and others as rumors.

Wait devs said that? I know i heard from them that epilogues are only rumors but i may don't know something.

[duckley]

I thought that Cullen's "madness" was a rumor.
If Cullen went on a Mage killing spree would Greagoir (who seemed like a reasonable and law abiding guy) send him off to Kirkwall knowing that Meredith was kind of a crazy woman? If Cullen murdered Mages I would suspect that Greagoir would have him arrested.
I cant recall what happened in DA2 - did Cullen just kill a bunch of Mages in the end for no reason? I thought the Mages he killed were the ones attacking with Orsino.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Um hello he helped slain entire circle for mad woman who wanted slain mages and use as excuse that ANDERS blew up chantry.

[Chiantirose1982]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Um hello he helped slain entire circle for mad woman who wanted slain mages and use as excuse that ANDERS blew up chantry.

The entire circle huh? What's the point of Hawke meeting them in the Gallows then to prevent it? I don't buy that for one second, I'm sorry.

You meet Meredith and the Templars in the Gallows, she tells you to prepare and after the Orsino fight you fight your way out to the Gallows again. If there is some source where you can show me that all the mages of Kirkwall have been killed, alrighty then; but otherwise whats the point of siding with the Mages, if they all die anyway?

I understand that you don't like the guy, but geez, he is not the devil in person.

youtu.be/UMU8wnMk5xg   1:55  says: he helped defend the mages and many lived to tell the tale.

[schalafi]

We sure have a lot of conflicting points of view, which raises a very interesting question. Was Cullen an insane mage hater/killer by the end of the game? In my game he backed away from my mage, and her companions, and let them walk away. He didn't seem like some raging, out of control mage hater to me.
Also, where in the game does it show Cullen slaying the entire circle of mages?

[LolaLei]

It doesn't and he didn't, some people just like to think he did based on his retconned DA:O epilogues.

I guess all we can do is wait for DAI to find out if he's mad/dead/alive/nice/bad/etc.

Modifié par LolaLei, 03 août 2013 - 05:38 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Chiantirose1982 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Um hello he helped slain entire circle for mad woman who wanted slain mages and use as excuse that ANDERS blew up chantry.

The entire circle huh? What's the point of Hawke meeting them in the Gallows then to prevent it? I don't buy that for one second, I'm sorry.

You meet Meredith and the Templars in the Gallows, she tells you to prepare and after the Orsino fight you fight your way out to the Gallows again. If there is some source where you can show me that all the mages of Kirkwall have been killed, alrighty then; but otherwise whats the point of siding with the Mages, if they all die anyway?

I understand that you don't like the guy, but geez, he is not the devil in person.

youtu.be/UMU8wnMk5xg   1:55  says: he helped defend the mages and many lived to tell the tale.

4:57  and graveyard in gallows shows what happened only group and not all of them is that with orsino and hawke , when he turned into Harvester we can see them fleeing and perhaps that what were in city at this time (few mages we seen). Problem in that if you side with mages you can save only small group of mages and that is pyrrhic victory you gain only hope for mages.

Up yes he did with others templars i don't know if you finished DA 2 but circle is annulled.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 03 août 2013 - 05:42 .

[Adela]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...





4:57  and graveyard in gallows shows what happened only group and not all of them is that with orsino and hawke , when he turned into Harvester we can see them fleeing and perhaps that what were in city at this time (few mages we seen). Problem in that if you side with mages you can save only small group of mages and that is pyrrhic victory you gain only hope for mages.

Up yes he did with others templars i don't know if you finished DA 2 but circle is annulled.

Cullen is not even in that lil movie at 4:57 its just Meridith and a bunch of templars , sorry but it seems that you are putting  the whole templar order blame just on Cullen and not on the order it self

[TheKomandorShepard]

ag99 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...





4:57  and graveyard in gallows shows what happened only group and not all of them is that with orsino and hawke , when he turned into Harvester we can see them fleeing and perhaps that what were in city at this time (few mages we seen). Problem in that if you side with mages you can save only small group of mages and that is pyrrhic victory you gain only hope for mages.

Up yes he did with others templars i don't know if you finished DA 2 but circle is annulled.

Cullen is not even in that lil movie at 4:57 its just Meridith and a bunch of templars , sorry but it seems that you are putting  the whole templar order blame just on Cullen and not on the order it self

Facepalm you complete missed point i put this link to show how many mages are killed mages because he doesn't belive that most mages are killed. Sorry it seems that you think that cullen played in strip poker with meredith when other templars kills mages , cullen follows them to the end (almost) and is part of this order as is in that same blame as others who followed.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 03 août 2013 - 06:05 .