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[ilikesocks]

Bionuts wrote...

It's offensive to do anything these days.

*sneeze*

"ohmigod a womanhater misogynist flablahblah"

*poop*

"the poop is too sexy I object"

Although, in all seriousness, the majority of people were not sexually aroused by her, as you were. I did not see her slow walk as seductive. It was more a walk of arrogance than anything. Cleavage was the last thing on my mind, as well as the greater majority.

+1

[Weskerr]

I agree with the OP on this. They went a little too far with her sexy appearance.

[Bionuts]

Exactly. Perhaps the OP has a problem with women acting sexual. I'm not sure why. Are you intimidated by women that do what they want?

Not trying to insult you. Just a question, out of curiosity.

[Weskerr]

Bionuts wrote...

Exactly. Perhaps the OP has a problem with women acting sexual. I'm not sure why. Are you intimidated by women that do what they want?

Not trying to insult you. Just a question, out of curiosity.

Do you seriously think he'll answer that with a "Yes?" Why do you feel the need to psychoanalyze someone who gives an opinion about something?

Edit: That includes everyone in this thread who asked inane questions about the OP's personal preferences. 

Modifié par Weskerr, 30 juillet 2013 - 03:44 .

[sandalisthemaker]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

You seem to have a certain notion about what women should be dressed as and portrayed, and when it goes against your belief, then those females are not acted as they should or behave as they should. 

No. Not really.  My gripe is with Flemeth, specifically. 
Female objectification is very real in media. Dragon Age does a very good job in this regard. That being said, I feel that the changes made to Flemeth, such as the "boob window" that another poster so elequently referred to it as, was unnecessary.  

[n7stormrunner]

speaking of the boob window, which artist is the star terk fan? flemeth looks like some a klingon woman would wear.

[sandalisthemaker]

Bionuts wrote...

Exactly. Perhaps the OP has a problem with women acting sexual. I'm not sure why. Are you intimidated by women that do what they want?

Not trying to insult you. Just a question, out of curiosity.

I don't have a problem with women acting sexual.  I take issue with *media* in general not allowing women to be anything other than attractive/sexy while still retaining an important role in the story. Especially in videogames.

[Battlebloodmage]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

You seem to have a certain notion about what women should be dressed as and portrayed, and when it goes against your belief, then those females are not acted as they should or behave as they should. 

No. Not really.  My gripe is with Flemeth, specifically. 
Female objectification is very real in media. Dragon Age does a very good job in this regard. That being said, I feel that the changes made to Flemeth, such as the "boob window" that another poster so elequently referred to it as, was unnecessary.  

I know that it's there, and as you said, Dragon Age did a good job in portraying them. At the same time, there are cases where it's necessary for females to act and dress a certain way just like in real life. Just as there are old women who don't show off their goods like Elthina and Meredith, there are ones that do like Flemmeth. Variety, as you said. Considering we know next to nothing about her character, you can't say how she should behave based on your notion of feminism. While media tends to portray females as sexy, it doesn't mean that Dragon Age shouldn't do it, especially if they want to create a variety of characters with different personalities.  

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 30 juillet 2013 - 03:50 .

[daaaav]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

You seem to have a certain notion about what women should be dressed as and portrayed, and when it goes against your belief, then those females are not acted as they should or behave as they should. 

No. Not really.  My gripe is with Flemeth, specifically. 
Female objectification is very real in media. Dragon Age does a very good job in this regard. That being said, I feel that the changes made to Flemeth, such as the "boob window" that another poster so elequently referred to it as, was unnecessary.  

But Flemeth isn't objectified... At all. Sexualisation does not immedialty cause objectification.

She has several established character traits that indicate that her DA2 form is her preferred form and that her DAO form was crafted for a specific purpose. 

I don't think there are any characters in DA who have been objectified. 

[Battlebloodmage]

daaaav wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

You seem to have a certain notion about what women should be dressed as and portrayed, and when it goes against your belief, then those females are not acted as they should or behave as they should. 

No. Not really.  My gripe is with Flemeth, specifically. 
Female objectification is very real in media. Dragon Age does a very good job in this regard. That being said, I feel that the changes made to Flemeth, such as the "boob window" that another poster so elequently referred to it as, was unnecessary.  

But Flemeth isn't objectified... At all. Sexualisation does not immedialty cause objectification.

She has several established character traits that indicate that her DA2 form is her preferred form and that her DAO form was crafted for a specific purpose. 

I don't think there are any characters in DA who have been objectified. 

Except for Cullen. 

[Plaintiff]

Bionuts wrote...

Exactly. Perhaps the OP has a problem with women acting sexual. I'm not sure why. Are you intimidated by women that do what they want?

Not trying to insult you. Just a question, out of curiosity.

The character is fictional, she wants what her creators make her want.

If a writer deliberately crafts a world where every single woman just happens to "want" to be sexually appealing to a man or men, then that's some pretty unfortunate implications right there. It's no better than making a world where every woman just happens to "want" to stay home and cook and clean. It sends a message that "this is the way women should be, and if you are different, you are doing Woman wrong".

However, I don't think Bioware is that sort of world, and I don't think the developers intended to make Flemeth overtly sexual. And even if they did, there is a nice variety of female characters to counteract that. The decision to make Flemeth "sexier" (if that was the intention) is confusing, but it's an isolated example.

[Weskerr]

daaaav wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

You seem to have a certain notion about what women should be dressed as and portrayed, and when it goes against your belief, then those females are not acted as they should or behave as they should. 

No. Not really.  My gripe is with Flemeth, specifically. 
Female objectification is very real in media. Dragon Age does a very good job in this regard. That being said, I feel that the changes made to Flemeth, such as the "boob window" that another poster so elequently referred to it as, was unnecessary.  

I don't think there are any characters in DA who have been objectified. 

I personally couldn't stop starring at her boobs when playing DA: O 



Or hers.

Modifié par Weskerr, 30 juillet 2013 - 04:02 .

[sandalisthemaker]

Weskerr wrote...




Or hers.

Ah, yes. The forest spirit. I assume the other image was a Desire demon? It was broken for me so I couldn't see it.   Thank you for your contribution.  I suppose someone will tell me there is a convenient reason behind the forest spirit's appearance as well.

[ilikesocks]

Because the spirit of the Forest is too badass for clothes. Her form is basically a standard woman form. Not sure what else to say about it.

[n7stormrunner]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Weskerr wrote...



Or hers.

Ah, yes. The forest spirit. I assume the other image was a Desire demon? It was broken for me so I couldn't see it.   Thank you for your contribution.  I suppose someone will tell me there is a convenient reason behind the forest spirit's appearance as well.

wait now your telling me the forest spirit is supposed to be sexy too? am I missing something?

[daaaav]

You got me. Perhaps the forest spirit was objectified a little, although forest nymphs are hardly a rarity in folklore and fiction... Tell me what use spirits have for clothes?

The desire demon is... a desire demon. What should it look like? Personally I think Bioware should add equivalent male formed desire demons. (Edit: turned out to be Morrigan)

Modifié par daaaav, 30 juillet 2013 - 04:15 .

[Bionuts]

Let's not be liars.

Desire Demon, Naked Lady of the Forest, Alistair, Cullen, Isabela (a lot), etc., were not made dripping attractive on accident.

But that's not necessarily a bad thing

As for the op: I actually understand where you are from, however, most people did not get the same impression of Flemeth as you did. I don't think it was their intention to make her as sexually arousing as you happen to find her.

[Weskerr]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Weskerr wrote...




Or hers.

Ah, yes. The forest spirit. I assume the other image was a Desire demon? It was broken for me so I couldn't see it.   Thank you for your contribution.  I suppose someone will tell me there is a convenient reason behind the forest spirit's appearance as well.

The other image was Morrigan's orgininal attire from DA:O  which strangely covers her breasts vertically.

[sandalisthemaker]

daaaav wrote...

You got me. Perhaps the forest spirit was objectified a little, although forest nymphs are hardly a rarity in folklore and fiction...

The desire demon is... a desire demon. What should it look like? Personally I think Bioware should add equivalent male formed desire demons.

I already made a thread on that very topic.  The fact that Desire demons are female (and only female) sends a message, whether intentional or not.   Female form = object of desire = objectification.  It also implies that the female form is universally thought of as desirable to everyone.

[Weskerr]

n7stormrunner wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Weskerr wrote...



Or hers.

Ah, yes. The forest spirit. I assume the other image was a Desire demon? It was broken for me so I couldn't see it.   Thank you for your contribution.  I suppose someone will tell me there is a convenient reason behind the forest spirit's appearance as well.

wait now your telling me the forest spirit is supposed to be sexy too? am I missing something?

You'r telling me that Witherfang isn't sexy?

Modifié par Weskerr, 30 juillet 2013 - 04:18 .

[ilikesocks]

In my opinion, the desire demons freak me out, what with their head coming to a point and having pink fire (or at least I guess it's fire) dance on the top.. not to mention their scales. And the legs... wtf is that supposed to be? Looks like ruffled leggings or something. Anyway, I don't find her form appealing in that sense like someone apparently does. It's like you're saying "ohmagawd BEWBS...I don't care about anything else all I can focus on is it has BEWBS! YEEEEEEEE!" and what not.

[wolfhowwl]

n7stormrunner wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Weskerr wrote...



Or hers.

Ah, yes. The forest spirit. I assume the other image was a Desire demon? It was broken for me so I couldn't see it.   Thank you for your contribution.  I suppose someone will tell me there is a convenient reason behind the forest spirit's appearance as well.

wait now your telling me the forest spirit is supposed to be sexy too? am I missing something?

That is pretty much what nymphs look like.


The Water nymph by Herbert James Draper

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 30 juillet 2013 - 04:23 .

[sandalisthemaker]

Bionuts wrote...

Let's not be liars.

Desire Demon, Naked Lady of the Forest, Alistair, Cullen, Isabela (a lot), etc., were not made dripping attractive on accident.

But that's not necessarily a bad thing

As for the op: I actually understand where you are from, however, most people did not get the same impression of Flemeth as you did. I don't think it was their intention to make her as sexually arousing as you happen to find her.

Okay, I have to tell you that I   LOL  every time you assume that I personally have the hots for Flemeth.:P

[ilikesocks]

"BEWBS!"