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daaaav wrote...

You got me. Perhaps the forest spirit was objectified a little, although forest nymphs are hardly a rarity in folklore and fiction... Tell me what use spirits have for clothes?

The desire demon is... a desire demon. What should it look like? Personally I think Bioware should add equivalent male formed desire demons. (Edit: turned out to be Morrigan)



Whether objectified a little or a lot, objectification is objectification.

I agree with you about the desire demon (the previous picture was of Morigan in her original attire). If anything, the covering of its nipples was tame and censorial.

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sandalisthemaker wrote...

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Let's not be liars.

Desire Demon, Naked Lady of the Forest, Alistair, Cullen, Isabela (a lot), etc., were not made dripping attractive on accident.

But that's not necessarily a bad thing :)

As for the op: I actually understand where you are from, however, most people did not get the same impression of Flemeth as you did. I don't think it was their intention to make her as sexually arousing as you happen to find her.


Okay, I have to tell you that I   LOL  every time you assume that I personally have the hots for Flemeth.:P:P

Just because you're gay doesn't mean you are not attracted to women, or does it? 

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Weskerr wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Weskerr wrote...



Or hers.


Ah, yes. The forest spirit. I assume the other image was a Desire demon? It was broken for me so I couldn't see it.   Thank you for your contribution.  I suppose someone will tell me there is a convenient reason behind the forest spirit's appearance as well.


wait now your telling me the forest spirit is supposed to be sexy too? am I missing something?


You'r telling me that Witherfang isn't sexy?


freaky plant hands, sometimes it looks like no eyes... I'm sorry naked vaguely womanish doesn't say sexy to me. 

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I'm sorry naked vaguely womanish doesn't say sexy to me. 

Weirdo.

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n7stormrunner wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Weskerr wrote...



Or hers.


Ah, yes. The forest spirit. I assume the other image was a Desire demon? It was broken for me so I couldn't see it.   Thank you for your contribution.  I suppose someone will tell me there is a convenient reason behind the forest spirit's appearance as well.


wait now your telling me the forest spirit is supposed to be sexy too? am I missing something?


You'r telling me that Witherfang isn't sexy?


freaky plant hands, sometimes it looks like no eyes... I'm sorry naked vaguely womanish doesn't say sexy to me. 


What if she has bigger boobs? Boobs make everything better. 

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Filament wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...
I'm sorry naked vaguely womanish doesn't say sexy to me. 

Weirdo.


Lol, at least you're honest. ^_^

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Weskerr wrote...


The other image was Morrigan's orgininal attire from DA:O  which strangely covers her breasts vertically.


Don't even get me started on Morrigan.  I like her as a character, but really.....really?
The in game reason that she gave to Leliana for her clothing was just laughable.

*Leliana comments on Morrigan's rags*
Morrigan:  'You realize I live in a forest, right?'

This makes absolutely no sense.  The Korcari Wilds are a  *Cold* and *damp* *swamp*.
In the very scene in which Morrigan is introduced, the guy that Dunkan kills comments on how freezing he is while he is covered from head to toe. While Morrigan with little to no fat, muscle, or fabric to keep her warm, (sporting absolute cleavage no less), is just fine. 
There are wolves in the Wilds.  Killing one and making a fur coat seems like a more reasonable thing to do. Just my opinion though.

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Filament wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...
I'm sorry naked vaguely womanish doesn't say sexy to me. 

Weirdo.


I'm sorry I prefer my women... to be women.

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Weskerr wrote...



Or hers.


Ah, yes. The forest spirit. I assume the other image was a Desire demon? It was broken for me so I couldn't see it.   Thank you for your contribution.  I suppose someone will tell me there is a convenient reason behind the forest spirit's appearance as well.


wait now your telling me the forest spirit is supposed to be sexy too? am I missing something?


You'r telling me that Witherfang isn't sexy?


freaky plant hands, sometimes it looks like no eyes... I'm sorry naked vaguely womanish doesn't say sexy to me. 


What if she has bigger boobs? Boobs make everything better. 


They...they told me to KILL the Dalish!

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The Desire Demon is hot because she's powerful. Powerful people are attractive. Dominant people are attractive. They put your inhibitions to rest.

A guy would let Lady of the Forest, Morrigan, Desire Demon, Lara Croft, etc., do whatever they wanted. You can't say the same for some average woman you meet at work.

Power=hot

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Plaintiff wrote...

However, I don't think Bioware is that sort of world, and I don't think the developers intended to make Flemeth overtly sexual. And even if they did, there is a nice variety of female characters to counteract that. The decision to make Flemeth "sexier" (if that was the intention) is confusing, but it's an isolated example.

I don't think it's sexiness—it's extravagance.

As I posted earlier, they did the same thing to the Architect. David's description was something like a bloated hurlock in a hooded cloak, and we somehow got that glam rock superstar.

Which is fine, because he had a distinctive appearance (and it led directly into Corypheus, and will probably continue and be instantly recognizable if any other magister returns in the future), and he looked interesting enough in combination with his voice acting and his role in the game. He was well done, so the excess didn't bother me.

Flemeth's other daughter has now appeared, and you can instantly tell that she's a Witch of the Wilds because of how she looks (when you see Yavana, you know right away exactly what she is). (And you could probably make a better case for objectification with her appearance in the comic than with Flemeth in the concept art and the game, though I personally thought it wasn't bad.)

I think that was more the intent than "sexification". (As before, the only thing I questioned was the boob window, but it's not overly gratuitous or anything, so I was comfortable enough with the new look.)

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Battlebloodmage wrote...

Boobs make everything better.

I used to believe in that, then the broodmother happened.

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Bionuts wrote...

The Desire Demon is hot because she's powerful. Powerful people are attractive. Dominant people are attractive. They put your inhibitions to rest.

A guy would let Lady of the Forest, Morrigan, Desire Demon, Lara Croft, etc., do whatever they wanted. You can't say the same for some average woman you meet at work.

Power=hot


Pfft, assuming the women at said workplace are "average." We can't all be triple D forest creatures in a video game, geez.

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The Hierophant wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Boobs make everything better.

I used to believe in that, then the broodmother happened.


this I'm glad I don't dream much or the bloodmother would have give me nightmares.

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Bionuts wrote...

The Desire Demon is hot because she's powerful. Powerful people are attractive. Dominant people are attractive. They put your inhibitions to rest.


Power=hot


That's an excellent point. I never thought of it that way.

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I get what your saying OP DA2 Flemeth was sexed-up compared to DAO but for me it's such an extreme change that it can be argued that she is deliberately presenting two different facets of herself to the player. IMO she's both the crazy swamp lady and the shapeshifting dragon plus as many other personas as suits her purposes.

I'll get worked up about DA if they keep going down the Mass Effect road but for now I'm willing to cut them some slack because of the short development time DA2 had.

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Bionuts wrote...

The Desire Demon is hot because she's powerful. Powerful people are attractive. Dominant people are attractive. They put your inhibitions to rest.

A guy would let Lady of the Forest, Morrigan, Desire Demon, Lara Croft, etc., do whatever they wanted. You can't say the same for some average woman you meet at work.

Power=hot


All of those women also have their boobs on full display.
Is Aveline hot then? She's powerful.

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The Hierophant wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Boobs make everything better.

I used to believe in that, then the broodmother happened.


Broodmothers are the only reason why I still replay DA.
Dem racks... mmmhmhmm:wub:

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sandalisthemaker wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

The Desire Demon is hot because she's powerful. Powerful people are attractive. Dominant people are attractive. They put your inhibitions to rest.

A guy would let Lady of the Forest, Morrigan, Desire Demon, Lara Croft, etc., do whatever they wanted. You can't say the same for some average woman you meet at work.

Power=hot


All of those women also have their boobs on full display.
Is Aveline hot then? She's powerful.


I think she is, but I think it is has been decided I'm a little odd.

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lulz @BackdoorPaco

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n7stormrunner wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

The Desire Demon is hot because she's powerful. Powerful people are attractive. Dominant people are attractive. They put your inhibitions to rest.

A guy would let Lady of the Forest, Morrigan, Desire Demon, Lara Croft, etc., do whatever they wanted. You can't say the same for some average woman you meet at work.

Power=hot


All of those women also have their boobs on full display.
Is Aveline hot then? She's powerful.


I think she is, but I think it is has been decided I'm a little odd.

Aveline is my favorite female DA character so far.  Although, Cassandra might give her a run for her money. Now, if they change Cassandra's appearance from the trailer and give her a boob window, I will headdesk. 
I will headdesk oh so very hard.

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I hated Flemeth in DA2. Too much final fantasy / anime for my taste. Too much in-your-face look at how cool and powerful I am.

In DAO Flemeth looked more intimidating, the hint of her power hidden in the form of a fragile old woman. Knowing she had rescued Warden and Alistair from the hands of the darkspawn and could keep them away from the hut indicated that she was much more powerful than she looked.

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Ukki wrote...

In DAO Flemeth looked more intimidating, the hint of her power hidden in the form of a fragile old woman. Knowing she had rescued Warden and Alistair from the hands of the darkspawn and could keep them away from the hut indicated that she was much more powerful than she looked.


Yes. Exaclty. Her look in DAO added to her mystique more than her DA2 look ever could.  The contrast between what we saw and what we heard about her in the legends and through what Morrigan said was quite nice.

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You know how Morrigan is a shapeshifter? Who do you think she learned that from? *points at Flemeth*

Flemeth - regardless of whether or not she's human or a dragon or an Old God or an abomination or something else entirely - can probably assume any guise that she pleases. It seems to me that in DA:O she was trying to fly under the radar and tailored her appearance so that she looked like a crazy old bat that posed no threat whatsoever.

As of DA2, there didn't seem to be any reason for subterfuge anymore. Heck, maybe she even wanted to or needed to be recognized as Asha'bellanar by others while she was off doing whatever mysterious thing she was doing AFTER she rescued Hawke. Maybe she wanted to intimidate someone or a specific group of people even.

I'm a straight female gamer, and I think it was somewhat positive that they portrayed her as an intelligent, attractive, and powerful older female. If there's a reason for Flemeth to disguise herself as a hag again, that's fine. However, I don't want BW caving in to some random person who has a bee in his/her bonnet because they think Flemeth was suddenly transformed into a sexpot (she's not a sexpot).

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 30 juillet 2013 - 05:26 .


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Attempting to start an intelligent discussion about female characters on the BSN is a lost cause. I recall the old Isabela threads where half the people said "Isabela is a dirty ****" and the other half said "if you ever criticize the depiction of women in a game, it means you hate women."

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 30 juillet 2013 - 05:41 .