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[OLDIRTYBARON]

Star fury wrote...

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

The idea that a woman wearing women's clothing with a smidgen of cleavage makes her an automatic **** to you is frightening. I'm surprised nobody has pointed this out, yet.

Old woman has a cleavage, her outfit showing boobs and thighs, thus she looks dumb and like a ****. If that is idea is friggtening one to you, so be it. DA2 Flemeth already is a gerontophile bait.     

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Maybe frightening was the wrong word, but you have to admit it's pure hyperbole to suggest that Flemeth in DA2 is looking like some kind of geriatric hooker. She's wearing a studded leather tunic with a v-neck, crow-feathered pauldrins, and she's got leather pants on. She wears metal greaves over her leather pants. What you're saying about her design is frankly ridiculous.

Honestly, you'd be better off focusing your outrage at KFC. If anyone is responsible for excessive skin on breasts and thighs, it's them. 

[AntiChri5]

Two days ago, i started a new playthrough of Origins. In an early conversation, Morrigan said something to the effect of she wouldn't be surprised if Flemeth adopted a different form to seduce men.

So.......yeah. Flemeth's DA2 look is completely in character. Dragon Age 2 is one of the best games when it comes to the way women dress. Their look is always in character, it's the way they would dress if they were real people. Having all women dress conservatively regardless of characterisation is as stupid as having all women dress promiscuisly, if less offensive.

Having sexy women exist in games is only problematic when either ALL (or at least a significant majority) women are dressed that way or when a woman is dressed that way despite her personality (for example, Miranda). There is a horrifically shameful list of games with characters cheapened by fanservice or games that "sexify" all women. But this isn't one of them.

[Vapaa]

Star fury wrote...
Yes she does.

No she doesn't

Star fury wrote...
If you think that "Varric's cleavage" is a fanservice for female gamers, you're horribly wrong.

If you think that "Flemeth's boob window" is a fanservice for male gamers, you're horribly wrong.

Modifié par Vapaä, 30 juillet 2013 - 02:20 .

[Tootles FTW]

I thought she looked great. More skin =/= sexualized.
Even Morrigan's low-hanging outfit in DAO didn't come off as sexualized, to me. She looked sexy in it, but it wasn't overt and in my face.

[ShadyKat]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

You seem to have a certain notion about what women should be dressed as and portrayed, and when it goes against your belief, then those females are not acted as they should or behave as they should. 

No. Not really.  My gripe is with Flemeth, specifically. 
Female objectification is very real in media. Dragon Age does a very good job in this regard. That being said, I feel that the changes made to Flemeth, such as the "boob window" that another poster so elequently referred to it as, was unnecessary.  

The same happens to men, you just never here them say anything about it. Try watching soap operas, or movies like the Twilight series. No surprise that women also love to look at half dressed, hansome men with nice bodies. There is nothing wrong with it, and people need to stop being such prudes. It's okay to kill and butcher people through a entire game, but the second you show someone with a little cleavage, it's not okay?!<_<

[Volus Warlord]

It's "sexualization"

Only I am allowed to make up words.

[Annihilator27]

Anyone know if they are going to change her design?

[ShadyKat]

Valadras21 wrote...

I'd like to raise a couple points:

1. Maybe Flemeth likes displaying a little skin? Our experience with the character in the games is so limited, and it's so clear that she's constantly manipulating everyone's perception of her. She's an impossible person to summarize and understand. I wouldn't presume to know the first thing about her goals or preferences.

2. I'm pretty sure writers like David Gaider get to voice their input on character designs, and possibly even reject concepts altogether. Even if that's not the case, they at least know exactly who/what Flemeth is and can convey that to the artists that get to design her, meanwhile it's a relative mystery to us. Therefore, I'd say they probably know best how Flemeth should or shouldn't look.

My opinion is that Flemeth looked great in DA2 and I think the look suits her, especially since I suspect she's actually an old god (or uber dragon) and not an abomination-hag.

And since the topic has come up, I also love Morrigan's outfit in DA:O because it's so freaking hawt. Also when I click Morrigan to add her to my group on the party select screen she shoots purple fire out of her hands. Purple. Fire. I don't think a damp and chilly climate would be a problem for someone who can conjure purple fire. Morrigan's also my favorite dragon age character by far so whatever she does is basically golden in my book

Anyway, that's my 2 copper

Morrigan even points out, that Flemeth would bring men home for sex. So not like she's not able to appear sexy, to seduce men when she wants.

[Nefla]

Yeah, it never made sense to me and definitely seemed like an excuse to sex her up and add more fan service to the game. I remember playing the first time and being like "that's Flemeth? How retarded." If she was going to shapeshift into a sexy form (to try to seduce Hawke? Why?) she could make herself look young and beautiful as well. It definitely points to how DA 2 pretty much cartoon-ified everything. :/

[shit's fucked cunts]

I wanted her gauntlets.

[Hilarystamp]

Flemeth is a seducer. She knows how to dress to impress so to speak. It makes perfect sense that she would completely change how she looks depending on the situation. Honestly, I find nothing wrong with a woman being sexy. It gives women confidence, and makes people take notice. Hand clap for powerful sexy women!

[DooomCookie]

I do like the changes to her, simply because it communicates her change in role and character.

[Eragon-]

Zazzerka wrote...

I wanted her gauntlets.

Glad someone else noticed how badass they looked. The only part of the champions armor that I wear is the gloves because they are as close to those as it gets.

Anyway, on topic, I think people are digging too deep into something that really does not merit it. I mean I didn't even notice when the "boob-window" appeared. I was too fixated on her hair and those guantlets and her facial expressions and how demeanor and all that jazz. Flemeth is, above all, cunning and intimidating. Her new look just brings out those qualities a bit more, IMO. I, personally, like so many others, feel she was just putting up a facade in front of the Warden. She has no reason to act - or dress, apparently -  like that in front of others.


Btw, can some tell me the dimensions to use for the signature ? 

Modifié par Eragon-, 30 juillet 2013 - 05:09 .

[Hilarystamp]

I agree her outfit was great! I wish they made better gear for our characters. The outfits always look dull. I like playing as a Mage and never get anything like flemeth or morrigan. Just stupid looking robes. Even if you pay for the dlc they are not always the greatest. I want more flemeth clothing for my character!

[Das Tentakel]

Nefla wrote...

Yeah, it never made sense to me and definitely seemed like an excuse to sex her up and add more fan service to the game. I remember playing the first time and being like "that's Flemeth? How retarded." If she was going to shapeshift into a sexy form (to try to seduce Hawke? Why?) she could make herself look young and beautiful as well. It definitely points to how DA 2 pretty much cartoon-ified everything. :/

I am not sure Flemeth's DA2 human form is supposed to be *essentially* different from her DA:O form. DA2 Flemeth is DA:O Flemeth, just dressed to kill (she probably flew in dragon form to Val Royeaux and visited a beauty parlour there). Sure, there are some differences, but that could be due to various graphical / stylistic tweaks, but she's basically still an older woman with a great body.
The biggest difference is the hair colour; perhaps a deliberate change because white hair is considered more dignified than disheveled grey hair, but not necessarily meaning that she 'changed' her body.
As for what she can and can't do, we'll never know because anything 'established' about her is subject to change, depending on BioWare's desires. 

As for her looking as a 'woman of easy virtue', as some have said, that's nonsense. Flemeth's look is in the tradition of powerful women (warriors, mages, goddesses) with relatively skimpy, 'sexualized' clothing in fantasy illustration art. It may be considered childish, particularly when you're older or consider it a case of sexual objectification of women, but it has been and still is commercially very effective; that's why it's such a popular and enduring cliché.







The biggest 'odd' thing here (when compared to the fantasy cliché) is that Flemeth's face still looks relatively old (meaning the 'wrong' side of 40-50); perhaps they felt they couldn't change this without obliterating the last visual vestiges of the original Flemeth character and completely breaking any sense of character continuity.

[Ninja Stan]

Let's keep this discussion civil and on-topic, please.

[Angrywolves]

I expected to see stan the man close another thread.
I liked that Flemeth regenerated herself in DA2.
Thought that would get of the possession talk but some naive players brought it back up when the trailer came out.
shrugs.
We know Flemeth seduced guys to have daughters.
Now we know what she looked like when she did it.
Heck our Inquisitor should have the option to provide her with another daughter to replace the one Gaider killed off in one of his books.
I would be all for that.
Rotfl.

[zMataxa]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Two days ago, i started a new playthrough of Origins. In an early conversation, Morrigan said something to the effect of she wouldn't be surprised if Flemeth adopted a different form to seduce men.

So.......yeah. Flemeth's DA2 look is completely in character. Dragon Age 2 is one of the best games when it comes to the way women dress. Their look is always in character, it's the way they would dress if they were real people. Having all women dress conservatively regardless of characterisation is as stupid as having all women dress promiscuisly, if less offensive.

Having sexy women exist in games is only problematic when either ALL (or at least a significant majority) women are dressed that way or when a woman is dressed that way despite her personality (for example, Miranda). There is a horrifically shameful list of games with characters cheapened by fanservice or games that "sexify" all women. But this isn't one of them.

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Well said.
+1

[Joseph Warrick]

Bioware is thinking about making a game based on the lord of the rings. The following concept art tries to approach a different aspect of the character's personality, focusing on his daring initiative and some other complex psychological characteristics.

Modifié par Joseph Warrick, 30 juillet 2013 - 11:17 .

[Sejborg]

Wasn't DA2 an exercise in being as inconsistent to the established universe as possible?

[Ryzaki]

Nah Flemeth was fine. I can actually picture her wearing something like that.

Miranda on the other hand...

[DarthLaxian]

LindsayLohan wrote...

You have to be kidding me sandal. This is reaching.

not if you think that her physical age (looking like an old woman) is tied to her power and physique as a whole (like Count Dracula from Bram Stoker's book - he appears younger after he has fed and is more powerfull directly after taking a bite/having a "snack") meaning that after heaving strenghtened her body (making it younger if you want to say it that way) she can fight better (magic takes a toll on the user if you constantly use it, like in a battle and younger people tend to be able to take that better then aged and wrinkled people, that while being powerfull (more knowledge then young people) are tired/fatigued more easily)

greetings LAX
ps: Yes she appears sexy - WHY THE HELL NOT? - i like it (also i was not thinking that it that time - yes i thought she looked sexy, but not in the "i want to bang you" kind of way, more in that feme-fatale kind of way that says "don't screw me - i might screw (with) you though")

[TK514]

Far too subjective to be a worthwhile topic. For example, I thought she looked really cool, but didn't find her especially sexy.

And really, I don't think comparisons to DA:O are useful in the slightest. Everyone in DA:O looked like they were made out of melting wax, and some were just melting faster than others. It was a terrible engine for rendering people. Almost as bad as Elder Scrolls: Oblivion.

Almost.

So DA2 models are going to look better just because they're not DA:O, and the change in the art design direction just happened to help even more in this case.