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[andar91]

I'm not sure if this has ever been commented on, but does same-sex marriage in Thedas? 

If I recall, queerness is generally accepted and thought of as not a big deal in Thedas, but I don't know if we've seen anything about marriage yet. I imagine it could be potentially problematic in cases of heredity for the nobility, but even then, it might not be considered an issue to conceive a child or children with somebody outside the marriage in some cultures.

[TheBlackAdder13]

I would assume the Chantry takes the medieval church's view on marriage: it's really only for procreation. My guess is that the Chantry sees marriage and sex simply as an institution to pump out more babies so they probably don't do same sex marriages. Granted, I could be wrong and I have no actual lore to use as evidence for this theory.

[Maria Caliban]

As far as we know, none of the major religions or cultures has same-sex marriage.

[thats1evildude]

The view on sexuality on the whole is "whatever, so long as you fulfill your other familial duties." So people don't pay much attention to same-sex relationships, but same-sex marriage isn't condoned.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 30 juillet 2013 - 07:23 .

[Danny Boy 7]

As I recall the only place it comes into issue is with nobility and purely from a I need an heir POV

[thats1evildude]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

As I recall the only place it comes into issue is with nobility and purely from a I need an heir POV

The elves and dwarves are also expected to produce children to shore up their declining numbers.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 30 juillet 2013 - 07:25 .

[Maclimes]

There seems to be no mention, one way or the other, in any canon material. *shrug*

[thats1evildude]

Maclimes wrote...

There seems to be no mention, one way or the other, in any canon material. *shrug*

The World of Thedas goes into this a bit.

[Eternal Phoenix]

There's no such thing as a view on this matter in DA2. Anders won't even mention the word "gay" or "homosexual" when referring to himself liking men. I guess it's a taboo subject in Thedas.

[Fredward]

Elton John is dead wrote...
There's no such thing as a view on this matter in DA2. Anders won't even mention the word "gay" or "homosexual" when referring to himself liking men. I guess it's a taboo subject in Thedas.

Or, yah know, they just don't have a word for it. Kinda like we didn't until the late 19th century.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Hmmm? So what was the term the Jews, Romans and Greeks used for gays then? While modern translations of ancient books use the word gay or homosexual there would have been a greek word for it either way. Besides with the numerous modern language DA uses I find that excuse unlikely.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 30 juillet 2013 - 08:51 .

[Wittand25]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Hmmm? So what was the term the Jews, Romans and Greeks used for gays then? While modern translations of ancient books use the word gay or homosexual there would have been a greek word for it either way. Besides with the numerous modern language DA uses I find that excuse unlikely.

Some form of men-who-have-sex-with-men.
The idea of a sexual orientation, as well as the terms homosexual, heterosexual only exist since the 19 century.

[esper]

Strong defined view of sexuality is a modern thing, before that.... sexuality wasn't something you talked alot about and thus the finer details wasn't defined.

And Anders sure as hell mention it, he basically says something on the lines of it is the person, not their gender, he fells in love with. Which would make him bi or pansexual (properly close to pan).

The thedosidian properly don't need the terms, because they don't need to define it nearly as much as we do.

As for marriage. I don't think that the people of thedas actually sees marriage as romantic, which means it is a matter or legal rights and inheritance, so I just don't know what they would do with a same sex couple.

[Cirram55]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Hmmm? So what was the term the Jews, Romans and Greeks used for gays then? While modern translations of ancient books use the word gay or homosexual there would have been a greek word for it either way. Besides with the numerous modern language DA uses I find that excuse unlikely.

As far as I know the Jews referred to homosexual people as "(wo)men who have sex with (wo)men". As for Romans and Greeks, the former used "top" and "bottom" and the latter "eromenos" (the one who is loved", or bottom) and "erastes" (the one who loves, also "top").

So basically, many cultures didn't have a name for gay people.

[fivezeros]

 I remember reading a Bioware post somewhere that homosexuality is accepted by most nations in Thedas, and it's regarded as one of the "quirks" that make up a person's personality (I can't remember the exact wording). However, the post also mentions that Fereldens don't really understand it too well, but don't disciminate against anyone who is.

[Diefenbaker]

fivezeros wrote...

 I remember reading a Bioware post somewhere that homosexuality is accepted by most nations in Thedas, and it's regarded as one of the "quirks" that make up a person's personality (I can't remember the exact wording). However, the post also mentions that Fereldens don't really understand it too well, but don't disciminate against anyone who is.

Ferelden - Considered odd but not immoral.
Antiva - Almost encouraged within the Crows (I suppose this could mean better success in assassinations if the target is into that kind of thing?)
Orlais - Considered a character quirk.


The nations are probably too large to worry about such things and there is no good reason to on that scale.

However in smaller communities it can be considered more of an issue. For instance the elven race would frown upon it due to their species dying out.

Human nobels would frown upon on it if it meant no offspring could be produced to continue the family line.

But none of the aversion towards it is due to moral reasons.

Modifié par AelixVII, 30 juillet 2013 - 10:00 .

[caradoc2000]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

I would assume the Chantry takes the medieval church's view on marriage: it's really only for procreation.

"Marriage is for procreation, sex is for recreation"
- Old Thedan proverb

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

*Triple post *

Modifié par ManchesterUnitedFan1, 31 juillet 2013 - 12:17 .

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

*Triple post:crying:*

Modifié par ManchesterUnitedFan1, 31 juillet 2013 - 12:18 .

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I doubt any dragon age games will mention this; bioware would not want to bring politics into their games, especially since it's such a current issue.

Maybe in 15 years or so.

Also: must we call it 'queerness'? Not an amazing word

Modifié par ManchesterUnitedFan1, 31 juillet 2013 - 12:20 .

[LadyRaena13]

While so far marriage between two females or two males that identify with their birth gender isn't mentioned it is however to be noted that Varric's cousin Thorald is married to a trans woman Mae the magister.

[Fiddles dee dee]

I don't care what anyone says. These guys are married.

[ElitePinecone]

AelixVII wrote...
Human nobels would frown upon on it if it meant no offspring could be produced to continue the family line.

But none of the aversion towards it is due to moral reasons.

The human noble Warden"s family certainly wasn't disapproving if the character seduced someone of the same gender during the origin story (indeed, Fergus kinda congratulated the Warden and Leandra expressed sympathy for the partner's death), though I suppose in that case there was an older sibling to carry on the family line who was himself already married with children.

I agree that dynastic politics and wanting to ensure the family's power is maintained would be the biggest factors involved with noble marriages, though this would seem to be a barrier to all marriages based on love, not just same-sees relationships. In that sense, it is rather an alien concept for players in societies where dynastic or arranged marriages have been almost completely absent for decades or centuries.

I'm not so sure that *all* marriages in Thedas are based purely on class or wealth consideration though; Aveline and Donnic do seem to have something akin to modern courtship and a romcom character arc before their marriage.

I'm also wary of saying that just because Thedas is inspired by mediaeval Europe, all social norms and customs will necessarily follow completely. We've already heard devs say they aren't interested in 'historical' realism if it doesn't fit the story, and many aspects of Thedas societies have already significantly deviated from the reality of mediaeval norms.

That said, I also don't really think same-sex marriage would be a likely option, not because of prejudice but because we've rarely seen an open and legitimised relationship that is accepted and acknowledged in society. I think apathy and a tendency towards discretion would be the norm.

There's also a question mark over which authorities or institutions actually perform marriages, since as far as we know the Chantry mostly handles those big life occasions. If civil authorities or governments could authorise marriages, it then depends on the custom in the area rather than necessarily dogma.

[Volus Warlord]

Do we even see marriage in general?