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[KaiserShep]

I prefer to see it as more observing Shepard, rather than being Shepard, considering if you decide to make the character the opposite gender.

Javik is kind of our renegade muse. He basically leans on all of the choices that involve destroying the Krogan and geth without hesitation. I have to say, it's refreshing to have that outlook from someone on the ship.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 31 juillet 2013 - 06:44 .

[Element Engine]

you can't observe what you control. that's like saying i observed myself eat a sandwich. if i had a mirror maybe...

but i didnt observe the universe being saved i saved it myself!

[KaiserShep]

You can indeed observe what you control. This is especially true if you have multiple Shepards that make different choices that you would normally disapprove of. I have one that betrays Wrex and kills him and shoots Mordin in the back, and one that lets the geth die.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 31 juillet 2013 - 06:49 .

[Element Engine]

no. you exist in multiple universes but you didn't observe them.

[adayaday]

KaiserShep wrote...

Recruiting Morinth is probably the dumbest one to me. I mean, why would I want a serial killer sex vampire on the ship? The fact that the squad does not really acknowledge this in a meaningful way is troubling.

"So, Shepard, I was thinking. Now that there's a mind-raping sex demon on the ship, I had better get the hell off of this crazy train."

Same reason you might want Jack,Grunt,Stan,Morrigan,Viconia,Edwin etc...
The writers could have expanded on her character and gave her an actual intresting story and redeeming traits,however they didn't which makes her recruitment pointless and stupid.

[KaiserShep]

Element Engine wrote...

no. you exist in multiple universes but you didn't observe them.

Am I also Mario? Am I Sonic? Am I Lara Croft?

adayaday wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Recruiting Morinth is probably the dumbest one to me. I mean, why would I want a serial killer sex vampire on the ship? The fact that the squad does not really acknowledge this in a meaningful way is troubling.

"So,
Shepard, I was thinking. Now that there's a mind-raping sex demon on
the ship, I had better get the hell off of this crazy train."

Same reason you might want Jack,Grunt,Stan,Morrigan,Viconia,Edwin etc...
The
writers could have expanded on her character and gave her an actual
intresting story and redeeming traits,however they didn't which makes
her recruitment pointless and stupid.

Her recruitment is pointless and stupid regardless. To give her redeeming traits, a lot of things would have to be changed, like the nature of Nef's death and Samara's honesty, etc., because no matter what, you would be choosing someone who was using Mercs to sneak off Illium at the cost of the life of a Justicar who swore an oath to help you fight the Collectors.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 31 juillet 2013 - 07:03 .

[Element Engine]

yes! because the mental is more powerful than your physical being and you extend yourself into another universe thru this platform. they dont exist without you because they are you and you are them.

did you see the movie the matrix? its like when neo plugs in hes in the matrix and when he plugs out hes in the real world. matrix neo doesnt run around while real neo is in the real world! its the same thing!

[KaiserShep]

Not everyone perceives the character this way.

[Element Engine]

then you are not true.

[adayaday]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm all for leaving Morinth as an option, but I wouldn't compare those characters to her. Jack, Grunt, and Morrigan are chaotic neutral, if you will (D&D wise). I think Morinth is clearly Chaotic Evil.

I was not refering to the charater alignment but rather thier expanded story.
I see many parallels between Jack's backgound and morinth's,both have been alone for most of thier life,both were taken from thier familiy in a young age,both are highly sexual and both are conveicted murderers, the only diffrance is that Jack got a story arc that allows the audience to relate and maybe understand and even forgive her past doings.

Modifié par adayaday, 31 juillet 2013 - 07:17 .

[HellbirdIV]

We are all geth.

[HellbirdIV]

The big difference is that Jack is actually willing to change from the horrible life she was forced into, for the better.

Morinth ran away specifically so she could start killing people and never stop.

[Fixers0]

HellbirdIV wrote...

The big difference is that Jack is actually willing to change from the horrible life she was forced into, for the better. 

Not if you don't talk to her, then she'll just remains the same, and experiances an magical character swap in Mass Effect 3.

[Sebby]

Fixers0 wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

The big difference is that Jack is actually willing to change from the horrible life she was forced into, for the better. 

Not if you don't talk to her, then she'll just remains the same, and experiances an magical character swap in Mass Effect 3.

I loved how she still ends up as a teacher on Grissom after I had her kill Aresh and taught her a "a bullet to the head solves everything".

Great handling of choices and continuity.

[Kataphrut94]

If I could retroactively remove every trace of racism from the Mass Effect 1 Renegade path, I would. That was a workable idea when the universe was still unproven and the theme was about humanity as the new kid on the block, but it just looks so terrible now when you consider the impact aliens and cooperation have on the later games. Plus, it started the whole trend of Renegade being Dirty Harry on paper, but useless angry jerk in practice.

Aside from the fish-in-the-barrel that was Morinth, I'd also get rid of the choice regarding the Collector Base and have you keep it regardless. It was too big for their britches and a thinly-veiled attempt to legitimise to the Cerberus angle by giving us the 'choice' of whether we want to stay on with them or not.

Cerberus would still have it by ME3, but it can be where you get the data from the Crucible (left by the Protheans) and proof about the Reapers. That gives Mass Effect 2 a bit of sorely needed plot momentum and means Mass Effect 3 doesn't have to squeeze all that stuff into the first two levels.

[adayaday]

StreetMagic wrote...

adayaday wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm all for leaving Morinth as an option, but I wouldn't compare those characters to her. Jack, Grunt, and Morrigan are chaotic neutral, if you will (D&D wise). I think Morinth is clearly Chaotic Evil.

I was not refering to the charater alignment but rather thier expanded story.
i see many parallels between Jack's backgound and morinth's,both have been alone for most of thier life,both were taken from thier familiy in a young age,both are highly sexual and both are conveicted murderers, the only diffrance is that Jack got a story arc that allows the audience to relate and maybe understand and even forgive her past doings.

Jack is a convicted murderer (many murders which were similar to Shepard in ME1, randomly killing Cerberus operatives). Morinth has never been caught. Jack kills who gets in her way, but doesn't have an addiction or genetic compulsion to kill or feed off people's minds. She's been caught before and raped at varying periods in her life. She's been raped at the very prison you rescue her from. Morinth has never experienced any of this kind of stuff. She's killed in the thousands and runs free.

I don't want to derail too much, but they're pretty different.

That is exactly my point,you get to see Jack side of the story and sympathise and understand how she work,without it she is just the "psychotic biotic",which is why i find Morinth a waste of space since her story leave you with just the space sex vampire chick.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Seboist wrote...

Destroying the Collector base shouldn't have been a choice. It effectively nullified any relevance ME2 had to the larger story.

Choices should have been to give to Alliance/Council or Cerberus.

Ah this! That would have made ME2 amount to something, and also would have prevented the hurried introduction of the crucible in ME3

[Sebby]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

If I could retroactively remove every trace of racism from the Mass Effect 1 Renegade path, I would..

Those were the best bits about ME1 Renegade shep. That's better than what happened in the sequels where it was just a choice of generic space hero (paragon) vs generic space hero with scars(Renegade).

Besides, ME3's plot validates what renegade femshep says to Kaidan about aliens needing humans to save them from themselves.

Modifié par Seboist, 31 juillet 2013 - 07:44 .

[HellbirdIV]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

If I could retroactively remove every trace of racism from the Mass Effect 1 Renegade path, I would. That was a workable idea when the universe was still unproven and the theme was about humanity as the new kid on the block, but it just looks so terrible now when you consider the impact aliens and cooperation have on the later games. Plus, it started the whole trend of Renegade being Dirty Harry on paper, but useless angry jerk in practice.

This, pretty much. The human-centric racist Shepard just never seemed to make much sense in a setting where the core message is cooperation and harmony.

[Fixers0]

HellbirdIV wrote...
This, pretty much. The human-centric racist Shepard just never seemed to make much sense in a setting where the core message is cooperation and harmony.

Because it wasn't?

unnecessarily restricting the players freedom of expression in a series and genre that prides itself on narrative interaction and customization, having the dialogue be a idealogical statements rather then just tone-based variations was a strenght of the Original Mass Effect.

Modifié par Fixers0, 31 juillet 2013 - 08:10 .