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[KaiserShep]

Control the Collectors? There's no indication at any point in ME2 that this is remotely possible.

[Clayless]

KaiserShep wrote...

Control the Collectors? There's no indication at any point in ME2 that this is remotely possible.

Yeah it would have required them grabbing that body from the Collector base and Mordin and EDI studying it.

[Clayless]

StreetMagic wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Control the Collectors? There's no indication at any point in ME2 that this is remotely possible.

Yeah it would have required them grabbing that body from the Collector base and Mordin and EDI studying it.

That's still not an answer.

Yes it is. We're in a thread talking about choices being removed, and I'm presenting a plausible alternative.

I know it's quite shocking, someone on BSN whose not just screeching criticism with no alternative, what is happening.

[Clayless]

StreetMagic wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Yes it is. We're in a thread talking about choices being removed, and I'm presenting a plausible alternative.

I know it's quite shocking, someone on BSN whose not just screeching criticism with no alternative, what is happening.

It isn't shocking. It's confusing. Suddenly EDI and Mordin are capable of controlling organic species? Harbinger doing it makes sense because he uses Indoctrination/Domination techniques. Mordin has at best shown how to be immune to seeker swarms.

TIM: "Shepard, the greatest scientist in the galaxy and the part-Reaper AI have been studying that Collector body you brought back from the Collector base. They think they discovered they've discovered the part of them that receives the controlling signal, allowing them to be possessed by Harbinger. We've set about on making them and/or our top scientists intercept and disrupt this signal, in the hopes that we can stop the Collectors." (Though in reality, in the hopes of turning all the Collectors to Cerberus, but that wont be revealed to you until the final choice at the end).

It's no less shocking or confusing than Mordin -"Their souls have been replaced with tech" or EDI -"Even though we've been here for 5 seconds, I've figured out that squished humans are getting turned into a robot", or Henry Lawson -"Even though I'm not a tag team of the greatest scientist in the galaxy and a part-Reaper AI, nor am I studying a being that's designed to be controlled, I created this thing to control humans".

[Barquiel]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Destroying the Collector base.

Seriously, giving us the option to destroy the plot did nothing to help anything.

Well it wouldn't make sense to force Shepard to give it over to Cerberus, and it's not like you can "give it to the Alliance". You can't MOVE the Collector base. It's stationary. IN THE CENTER OF THE GALAXY.

Destroying it is the most sensible option, really. What sucks is that Cerberus still used a ton of Reaper tech in ME3 regardless of your choice.

Why not? The Mu Relay is also in the Terminus Systems, but it appears the Council was able to get to Ilos. The original council members acknowledge the reaper threat at the end of ME1 (Tevos: "You saved not just our lives, but the lives of billions from Sovereign and the Reapers.")...and the Citadel DLC also revealed the Council did suspect Sovereign was a Reaper (but since they had no hard proof it was all classified so no one freaked out). There is also a news report in ME2 that the STG is investigating the colony attacks if you saved the council in ME1...I think they would have been interested.

The benifits of giving the base to the Council (what I think would be the best possible scenario) far outweigh the disadvantages of destroying it, or giving it to Ceberus.  But no...we have to be either super paragon or super renegade with no room for logic in between. Well, I guess Bioware wanted a more dramatic choice
 

Modifié par Barquiel, 01 août 2013 - 01:58 .

[Barquiel]

Yes, it was implied in the citadel DLC that they knew Sovereign was a Reaper but went with 'Geth' as the official story, most likely to prevent people from panicking (...and they really didn't trust a Cerberus backed Shepard)

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Yes, it was implied in the citadel DLC that they knew Sovereign was a Reaper but went with 'Geth' as the official story, most likely to prevent people from panicking (...and they really didn't trust a Cerberus backed Shepard)

That's the last DLC rewriting a game that came out years before.

But I'll just forget that for a second. Even if it was the case, to me they're still not a good choice. People who are that panicky, willing to call one of their most successful Spectres they employ delusional, and keep this level of a secret when the galaxy is at stake, aren't a viable option to give much of anything to. Especially a "Collector Base". I told them in ME2 that the Illusive Man was right and they could shove their Spectre reinstatement up their ass.

Ditto. I don't believe for a second that the Council did truly believe that Sovereign was a Geth ship, but at the same time, I think the truth scared even them so much that they simply clamped down in denial. I think a few people in the alliance believed Shepard, though in my Shepard's eyes, their lack of advocation and lack of standing up to face the threat soured his opinion of them as much as the shills who denied everything. 

My Shepard didn't necessarily trust Cerberus, but he held them in a very high regard and admired them. That's why he opted to work with them. He thought the Council and alliances refusal to work with them was pathetic and he told Anderson and company where to shove their reinstatement. Of course, his relationship soured with Cerberus after he destroyed the Collector Base: he saw it as something that could not be controlled by anyone and eventually the Reaper tech would consume anyone who tried, so that, despite whatever benefits might be gained, it wasn't worth the threat of everything backfiring on the galaxy. To a degree, he also was disgusted with how the base was used to create a Reaper with thousand's of harvested humans, but that was a secondary motive.

He intended in ME3 to... not necessarily abandon the alliance, but to leave them to bridge everything together independently. Of course, even though he left on bad terms with Cerberus do to the CB decision and with his opinion jaded in knowing that they were out more for their own power now, he still intended to utilize Cerberus' resources. Unfortunately, they were already indoctrinated, so Shepard had no choice but to fight them. They're agents of the Reapers now.

[Rhiens VI]

Remove peace option between Geth and Quarians.

That's about it.
It is stupid, marysue-ish, and it invalidates the main plot and the endings.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

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KaiserShep wrote...

Recruiting Morinth is probably the dumbest one to me. I mean, why would I want a serial killer sex vampire on the ship? The fact that the squad does not really acknowledge this in a meaningful way is troubling.

"So, Shepard, I was thinking. Now that there's a mind-raping sex demon on the ship, I had better get the hell off of this crazy train."

I think the reason the crew doesn't acknowledge it is because she imitates Samara when on board/on mission, so only Shep knows it's Morinth.

Kasumi knows. She fervently warns you not to sleep with Morinth if I recall.

Then she may be the only one. All I know is that Shep and Morinth have a conversation about her purposely imitating her mother so that the crews suspicion aren't raised.

Unless I am completely imagining a portion of the game that didn't happen....

Kelly also comments on this

"Samara is acting quite strange lately" (Forgot the rest, but I think Kelly suspects)

Also, Kasumi knowing it is a good catch IMO, since she has a cloak device and uses on the ship for other things than Cloaking through the CIC because of Burt

[Fixers0]

Instead removing choices, who not add the option to capture Udina instead of his forced death?

[Jorji Costava]

@Fixers0

That's a good idea, although I would have liked it better if the whole Cerberus coup arc had been stricken altogether. I was fine with Udina being the voice of the pro-human realpolitik point of view. Him being obnoxious and opportunistic in the previous games was not an adequate basis on which to reveal him as a total mustache twirler in ME3.