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zqrahll wrote...

Bioware already lost me as a fan. DA3 is their last chance to make any money off me. However...

I am waiting for fan reviews & spoilers to come out before I even consider buying this game. They already have had 3 strikes to lose me (DA2, TOR, ME3)-- if this game doesn't turn out to be completely amazing, I will just forget the entire company.

 

This seems to be the sensible thing to do all things considered.

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throw my disc at the wall. And drop bioware or at least the da franchise.

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Dragon Age is a very different series from Mass Effect. I don't think it's possible for Inquisition to disappoint on the same level as Mass Effect 3 because Dragon Age doesn't have a single character and story that has been built-up over the course of three games that they can bring crashing down on us at the end. Even if Inquisition has a terrible ending, it won't sting nearly as badly as the ME3 ending did.

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ForceXev wrote...

Dragon Age is a very different series from Mass Effect. I don't think it's possible for Inquisition to disappoint on the same level as Mass Effect 3 because Dragon Age doesn't have a single character and story that has been built-up over the course of three games that they can bring crashing down on us at the end. Even if Inquisition has a terrible ending, it won't sting nearly as badly as the ME3 ending did.

Anything's possible.

What if the Old God Baby shows up and says that the Darkspawn are his solution to Mages? So now you must choose to kill all mages or turn everyone into part darkspawn.

What was so spectacularly disappointing in ME3 wasn't just that it ruined a storyline, but in some ways it ruined the setting. This is something that DA3 can do, however I've heard little to suggest it. They liked to brag for ME3 about how everything came together and they could do whatever since it's the end of a trilogy. The only "worrying" thing indicated so far along these is the Morrigan speech about bringing the world to an end or whatever as a choice.

Still, there are lots of different style offensive things they can do in their game. It'll kind of depend on why you're here, why you care about the franchise. Myself, I like choice, and in the last three major titles from the brand, there has been some prettty glaring out of character denials of choice that made me want to flip a table. Does even have to be an ending. If the game has a Gault moment, I doubt I would even be able to finish it.

Modifié par Taleroth, 09 août 2013 - 04:26 .


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Taleroth wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

Dragon Age is a very different series from Mass Effect. I don't think it's possible for Inquisition to disappoint on the same level as Mass Effect 3 because Dragon Age doesn't have a single character and story that has been built-up over the course of three games that they can bring crashing down on us at the end. Even if Inquisition has a terrible ending, it won't sting nearly as badly as the ME3 ending did.

Anything's possible.

What if the Old God Baby shows up and says that the Darkspawn are his solution to Mages? So now you must choose to kill all mages or turn everyone into part darkspawn.

What was so spectacularly disappointing in ME3 wasn't just that it ruined a storyline, but in some ways it ruined the setting. This is something that DA3 can do, however I've heard little to suggest it. They liked to brag for ME3 about how everything came together and they could do whatever since it's the end of a trilogy. The only "worrying" thing indicated so far along these is the Morrigan speech about bringing the world to an end or whatever as a choice.

Still, there are lots of different style offensive things they can do in their game. It'll kind of depend on why you're here, why you care about the franchise. Myself, I like choice, and in the last three major titles from the brand, there has been some prettty glaring out of character denials of choice that made me want to flip a table. Does even have to be an ending. If the game has a Gault moment, I doubt I would even be able to finish it.

 

Considering how DA:I is now being hyped of finally making all your choices in the past games come full circle, I'd say be prepared for disappointment. Furthermore, considering the import bugs in DA2, I'd say that it could pose a problem. Imagine the rage if the import bugs continue into DA: I.

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It would be hard to be worse than the ME3 ending.

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99% of ME3 was awesome and while the ending was a pretty big flaw to me, it doesn't entirely negate the rest of it.

I also liked DA2 on the whole, though there were some flaws in it. Bioware still makes the best games, hands down. I have yet to find another game company that comes close.

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Zu Long wrote...

99% of ME3 was awesome and while the ending was a pretty big flaw to me, it doesn't entirely negate the rest of it.

I also liked DA2 on the whole, though there were some flaws in it. Bioware still makes the best games, hands down. I have yet to find another game company that comes close.

 

I think one of the main problems with ME3's ending was that it essentially rendered your entire choices in the past games pointless. It didn't matter if you were a raging psychopath who murdered everyone in sight or a saint who was the best person in the universe, your ending didn't change as long as you had EMS.

Now that Bioware is hyping up your choices changing everything, they better deliver or else they'll get retake ME3 v2, the sequel.

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voice_of_darkness wrote...

I think one of the main problems with ME3's ending was that it essentially rendered your entire choices in the past games pointless. It didn't matter if you were a raging psychopath who murdered everyone in sight or a saint who was the best person in the universe, your ending didn't change as long as you had EMS.

The biggest problem with ME3's ending is that, at the very last second of the game, without precedence or appreciable justification, the final choice must be made on the bad guy's terms.

Shepard literally fails at his mission. He flops down in front of a console that appears to do nothing having accomplished nothing himself. And it's only by the benevolence of the villain that any progress is made, and then it only does so with conditions the villain imposes.

Shepard is changed from the protagonist who acts on his terms to a tool.

Also inexplicable space magic and a setting destroying dark age.

DAI could easily do this very same thing. But I trust Gaider slightly more than that. Only "slightly" because DA2's third act has Hawke himself turn into a tool that merely follows the will of others and fails to accomplish anything of note. Benefit of the doubt that it was a rushed production. But that doesn't deny the possibility of problems with DA3's end.

Modifié par Taleroth, 12 août 2013 - 04:13 .


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Taleroth wrote...

voice_of_darkness wrote...

I think one of the main problems with ME3's ending was that it essentially rendered your entire choices in the past games pointless. It didn't matter if you were a raging psychopath who murdered everyone in sight or a saint who was the best person in the universe, your ending didn't change as long as you had EMS.

The biggest problem with ME3's ending is that, at the very last second of the game, without precedence or appreciable justification, the final choice must be made on the bad guy's terms.

Shepard literally fails at his mission. He flops down in front of a console that appears to do nothing having accomplished nothing himself. And it's only by the benevolence of the villain that any progress is made, and then it only does so with conditions the villain imposes.

Shepard is changed from the protagonist who acts on his terms to a tool.

Also inexplicable space magic and a setting destroying dark age.

DAI could easily do this very same thing. But I trust Gaider slightly more than that. Only "slightly" because DA2's third act has Hawke himself turn into a tool that merely follows the will of others and fails to accomplish anything of note. Benefit of the doubt that it was a rushed production. But that doesn't deny the possibility of problems with DA3's end.


Nicely put.To me only the Krogan and Geth portions were excellant.The rest was mediocre at best.DA 2 was the same.A little bit of good and alot of bad.

Modifié par Well, 17 août 2013 - 08:49 .


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voice_of_darkness wrote...

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If you dropped the series, why do you care?


Curiosity. Is it a crime to wonder how loyal Bioware fans will be after two bombshells?


Yeah, "curiosity" right.

As for your question, though. No. I won't support BioWare anymore if this is a flop. I'll still love them, but it's just not fair on us as loyal fans if all they keep producing is rushed out products.

Now, it looks like rushing this game is going to be very difficult, so hopefully the rushed feel of DA2 and ME3 won't happen.

(P.S I don't count SWOTOR as a fail. Everyone calls every other MMO they don't play a piece of crap anyway.)

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Both DaO and Da2 were great. Da2 just needed more dev in order to show it's true potential.
As a matter of fact i ve played Da2 more times than Dao (4 against 3) and i am eager to replay da2 anytime soon. Da2 grew in me whereas DaO not.
Same as Me3 which was a very great game.

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Taleroth wrote...

voice_of_darkness wrote...

I think one of the main problems with ME3's ending was that it essentially rendered your entire choices in the past games pointless. It didn't matter if you were a raging psychopath who murdered everyone in sight or a saint who was the best person in the universe, your ending didn't change as long as you had EMS.

The biggest problem with ME3's ending is that, at the very last second of the game, without precedence or appreciable justification, the final choice must be made on the bad guy's terms.

Shepard literally fails at his mission. He flops down in front of a console that appears to do nothing having accomplished nothing himself. And it's only by the benevolence of the villain that any progress is made, and then it only does so with conditions the villain imposes.

Shepard is changed from the protagonist who acts on his terms to a tool.

Also inexplicable space magic and a setting destroying dark age.

DAI could easily do this very same thing. But I trust Gaider slightly more than that. Only "slightly" because DA2's third act has Hawke himself turn into a tool that merely follows the will of others and fails to accomplish anything of note. Benefit of the doubt that it was a rushed production. But that doesn't deny the possibility of problems with DA3's end.

How come noone mentions what Me3 did best? Me3 really did outshine previous Me2 is many aspects: Emotions, interactions, combat and consequences in the game itself.
Internet forums should be banned, hating is the new trend. You can see it everywhere in every media, Jennifer hepler is the epitome of this. I am not talking about you but the masses really  adopt one hateful idea and spread it.
One did not like Me3 ending ( i did not like for the record) and decided to bash the entire game..

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What if...

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No, and even if it was some Starchild do I still find so much of the rest of their designs fantastic that I can't really say I see any alternative developers that get even close.

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The best thing to do is not to worry about it now, the game is not even out yet, just tried not to get to hyped about the game and just wait and see what happens.

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And what if the world ends before the release ?

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Well considering that two different writing teams, I don't really see comparing the two stories.
Plus, DA isn't a trilogy, so this isn't the end. lol

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ioannisdenton wrote...

How come noone mentions what Me3 did best? Me3 really did outshine previous Me2 is many aspects: Emotions, interactions, combat and consequences in the game itself.

Because I personally have to disagree with you on most of that. The combat is among the worst in the franchise, with no real tactical tradeoffs, just spamming a handful of all-use powers and guns. And the title's boss fights really are the worst the studio has ever produced.

Tchaunka was pretty cool. Rannoch was cool, so long as you don't think about how much it goes against Legion's established characterization, and the conclusion doesn't make the slightest sense. The cast was almost entirely flat, the only two companions with any character development being EDI (who is a redundant pinocchio) and DLC.

Modifié par Taleroth, 17 août 2013 - 03:06 .


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call me cliche lover boy but i want my boss fights and sappy happy-isk ending

i don't want another matrix reloaded anti climactic crap

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Well after DA2 I sadly removed Bioware from my pre-order/first day release list. I didn't pre order ME3 but I broke down and bought it because I just couldn't bring myself to skip the end of Shepard's story.

But after ME3 Bioware is now no different than any other developer whereas they don't get presumption of quality anymore. I'll wait until I see good reviews or get a recommendation from a friend(s) whose word I trust.

So basically its a game by game basis situation.

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Zu Long wrote...

99% of ME3 was awesome and while the ending was a pretty big flaw to me, it doesn't entirely negate the rest of it.

I also liked DA2 on the whole, though there were some flaws in it. Bioware still makes the best games, hands down. I have yet to find another game company that comes close.


we have to dis-agree on that then, ME3 as a whole was bad business IMHO (except for the gameplay, that was pretty fun...but the story, the ending, the character assassination (Ashley's makeover for example) etc.

as for DA:I - if it comes to that, i will put bioware on my "caution" list (those producers on that list i only buy games, if they are out, get good reviews and let's plays and even then i often wait till they drop in price) and only give them one more chance (next mass effect game) if they blow that, they move to the "do not buy" list!

greetings LAX
ps: ATM - while i am cautious, it does not look like it will tank (also i dislike/hate a lot of the announced "features" (if you can call them that) like: no-healt-regeneration after/outside of combat, no level-scalling etc. - but there are others, like returning race-option, that i really love...so ATM it is "wait and see" for me (and read every news available, watch every video etc. :)

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Yes, because I don't care about the Starchild, or whatever whiny fans are raging about.


+1

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Zu Long wrote...

99% of ME3 was awesome and while the ending was a pretty big flaw to me, it doesn't entirely negate the rest of it.


I find it completely absurd when people make this statement.

Mass Effect 3 was felt like an extremely rushed game for me.

Shepard would auto-dialogue for almost 90% on the conversations.

Fed-Ex fetch and grab quest made up a majority of the Missions.

The photoshopped, stock image Tali face.

The half-assed ending.

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I would crry a little, say "last chance" and go buy their next series.