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[JCAP]

Elton John is dead wrote...

ME3's ending was bad but that's not what was the worst thing with it. Assassin's Creed 3 had a worst ending (hell it was actually rather similar to ME3's endings just go and watch them on YT) but it didn't generate the same out-roar. Why? Well it's not an RPG where your choices are supposed to have impact. For me that was the biggest problem with the ME series. The only real choices that lead to consequences and plot impacts are the deaths of characters.

Spoiler alert Assassin creed 3

Well, I didn't find Assassins Creed 3 ending bad because I already knew Desmond was going to die, Ubisoft said many times that AC3 was the last game where Desmond would appear. And I knew something had to go wrong because they needed to drag the story to AC4.

And another thing that pissed off the ME3 fans was the lack of epilogue on the last game of our favorite commander and aliens. No closure = bad ending.

In AC3 we knew the story would continue later, that not being the case in ME3.

Modifié par JCAP, 01 août 2013 - 01:45 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Well aside from the obvious issues I have with the resolution, one my biggest gripes with ME3 was that I didn't feel like Shepard's character was consistent with the play styles of my previous two games. New character for DAI so I won't have that problem. I hope they cut down on stalkeresque fetch quests though.

[JCAP]

Scarlet Rabbi wrote...

Yes, I would still support Bioware; thought not out of blind love or loyalty to the the brand, I'd think of it more as a necessary move as an avid RPG player. Who else is pushing out half decent fantasy RPGs now days aside from Bioware and Bethesda? From Software, I suppose. The studio that made KoA: Amalur is gone...Yes, I'd still support Bioware; beggars can't be choosers.

Where the hell is Fallout 4?:crying::crying::crying:

[Northern Sun]

I wouldn't really mind. Unlike Mass Effect, having some mystical spirit-child appear in a world where the Veil is torn, magic is everywhere, and Old Gods inhabit to bodies of little boys wouldn't seem too out of place to me.

[Steelcan]

Then BioWare will have proven that they have not learned anything from their fans.

[K_Tabris]

The leads on this project (Darrah, Gaider, Laidlaw) do things I love, so I don't think they will end up pulling weird lore-breaking plotlines out of their @ss like the Star child. Gaider knows his lore, characters and stories very well. He is not leaving before the third installment, as Karppyshyn did. This is the main problem the ME series ran into. The lead writer left the project, and other writers, who aren't so good at doing plot, controlled the entire ending and effed it up to Oblivion.

The DA team is very much on the ball, so I don't think it will happen.

If it does happen, I probably will play the occasional Elder Scrolls and Civilization game, and otherwise quit gaming. Getting too old to waste time on crap games like Mass Effect 3, Bullet Storm, and the other disappointments of the past few years.

[JWvonGoethe]

Maria Caliban wrote...

voice_of_darkness wrote...

If DA: I has some controversy which the fans universally despise like a Starchild, would you still support Bioware?

Yes.

And wouldn't the DA equivalent of the Starchild be the OGB? That could be a great way to end a game set in the DA universe (if you imported a DR save) even if it didn't work so well in ME3.

[Darth Death]

My expectations are pretty low, so if DA3 is a debacle like ME3, then I hardly doubt my mind will be blown.

[Scarlet Rabbi]

JCAP wrote...

Scarlet Rabbi wrote...

Yes, I would still support Bioware; though not out of blind love or loyalty to the the brand, I'd think of it more as a necessary move as an avid RPG player. Who else is pushing out half decent fantasy RPGs now days aside from Bioware and Bethesda? From Software, I suppose. The studio that made KoA: Amalur is gone...Yes, I'd still support Bioware; beggars can't be choosers.

Where the hell is Fallout 4?:crying::crying::crying:

Really though.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

voice_of_darkness wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

If you dropped the series, why do you care?

Curiosity. Is it a crime to wonder how loyal Bioware fans will be after two bombshells?

They were bombs to you but not to me. I enjoyed Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 in fact I have yet to play to BioWare game that I didn't like.

[Andraste_Reborn]

My question is based on Bioware's track record. If DA: I has some controversy which the fans universally despise like a Starchild, would you still support Bioware?

Well, that would depend on whether I hated whatever it was or not.

Even if I did, I hated the original Neverwinter Nights campaign, but still bought and enjoyed other BioWare games after that. They've made enough games that I love that I'd be willing to give them another chance based on their general good record.

[Volus Warlord]

Steelcan wrote...

Then BioWare will have proven that they have not learned anything from their fans.

It's the speculation they are after.

[spirosz]

I never disliked DAII, but it didn't match up to the quality that was Origins, for me at least. I'm curious as to what DA:I does, but if nothing peaks my interest, I'll hold off till it goes on sale.

[CuriousArtemis]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

They were bombs to you but not to me. I enjoyed Dragon Age 2[/i] and Mass Effect 3[/i] in fact I have yet to play to BioWare game that I didn't like.

Same  Bring on the Inquisition! 

Modifié par motomotogirl, 01 août 2013 - 02:57 .

[CARL_DF90]

voice_of_darkness wrote...

 My question is based on Bioware's track record. If DA: I has some controversy which the fans universally despise like a Starchild, would you still support Bioware? I already dropped this series after the failure that was DA2 but I was wondering what the rest of you that still stay with this series would think

I'm hoping Bioware has learned its lessons from its past mistakes. Safe to say that they can ill afford any more DA2/ME3 style debacles. They've already lost more than a few fans. Still, I personally remain hopeful for the time being. We'll see what happens.

[Angrywolves]

Well DA2 and ME3 were debacles to mosr people.
ME3 required apologies and free dlc.
DA2 required cancelation of the Exalted March dlc on the eve of its release.
shrugs.
If you don't learn the lessons of history you're doomed to repeat them.

[KiwiQuiche]

Ugh, I hope not. Hopefully the failure and horrid writing stays with DA2 and ME3, which were dismal failures in regards to RP and writing.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 01 août 2013 - 03:33 .

[AlanC9]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Then BioWare will have proven that they have not learned anything from their fans.

It's the speculation they are after.

Actually, I'll bet that the main things Bio takes away from ME3 are that their fans can't handle ambiguity, and they need to have things spelled out rather than implied. 

Modifié par AlanC9, 01 août 2013 - 03:33 .

[Steelcan]

AlanC9 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Then BioWare will have proven that they have not learned anything from their fans.

It's the speculation they are after.

Actually, I'll bet that the main things Bio takes away from ME3 is that their fanbase can't handle ambiguity, and needs to have things spelled out rather than implied. 

.  That may be what they take away, but it is false.  We just dont like railroaded forced grimdark that makes no narrative or thematic sense.

[LPPrince]

If DA:I contained ME3 levels of missed opportunities and failure along with ruining my taste for the franchise, then yes, I'll give it up as I have Mass.

At which point, my involvement with Bioware will be pretty much left to just the forum, because I have loads of friends here, and the Bioware developers are nice people to communicate with.

[KiwiQuiche]

AlanC9 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Then BioWare will have proven that they have not learned anything from their fans.

It's the speculation they are after.

Actually, I'll bet that the main things Bio takes away from ME3 are that their fans can't handle ambiguity, and they need to have things spelled out rather than implied. 

There is a big difference from "implied" to "completely no answers and everything is SPECULATIONZ"

[AlanC9]

Half of what the EC had to do was squashing silly fan interpretations, some of which contradicted what we actually saw on screen.

[Interloper]

AlanC9 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Then BioWare will have proven that they have not learned anything from their fans.

It's the speculation they are after.

Actually, I'll bet that the main things Bio takes away from ME3 are that their fans can't handle ambiguity, and they need to have things spelled out rather than implied. 

 Bioshock Infinite handled 'ambiguous' story superbly, and left the audience to connect multiple well signposted parts of the narrative by themselves. ME 3 completely ignored vital aprts of the story in its ending, and completely conflicted with other parts of the narrative in other aspects to the point where it not only made the story subjectively 'bad' but objectively 'inane' and bereft of any sense or structure. Whereas in ME 1 and ME 2, you had a brilliant combination of combat gameplay conjoined with dialogue gameplay and choices that actually mattered, the ending for ME 3 was a lacklustre effort by Bioware to even pretend there was any differentiating choices. 

 Bioshock Infinite disproves your argument, ME fans can handle ambiguity, they just can't handle crap storytelling.

[AlanC9]

Steelcan wrote...

.  That may be what they take away, but it is false.  We just dont like railroaded forced grimdark that makes no narrative or thematic sense.

I'd maybe even believe that if I hadn't actually read the forums and seen the piles of suggestions that made even less sense than what we got.