AlanC9 wrote...
Half of what the EC had to do was squashing silly fan interpretations, some of which contradicted what we actually saw on screen.
That's why people got so annoyed. That, and Bioware just made a crap ending by default.
What if DA:I becomes the DA Me3?
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#51
Posté 01 août 2013 - 03:43
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That's why people got so annoyed. That, and Bioware just made a crap ending by default.
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#52
Posté 01 août 2013 - 03:45
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Interloper wrote...
Bioshock Infinite disproves your argument, ME fans can handle ambiguity, they just can't handle crap storytelling.
It disproves my argument if the ME fans who disliked ME3 are also Bioshock Infinite fans. Are they? I liked it fine, but I didn't mind ME3 either so I don't count.
But this is turning into a massive derail.
#53
Posté 01 août 2013 - 03:45
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Scarlet Rabbi wrote...
Yes, I would still support Bioware; thought not out of blind love or loyalty to the the brand, I'd think of it more as a necessary move as an avid RPG player. Who else is pushing out half decent fantasy RPGs now days aside from Bioware and Bethesda? From Software, I suppose. The studio that made KoA: Amalur is gone...Yes, I'd still support Bioware; beggars can't be choosers.
If there is enough demands, eventually, there will be somebody who would step up and do it.
#54
Posté 01 août 2013 - 04:06
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I'm going to see if Bioware can learn from it's past mistakes. DA2 and especially ME3 should be big wake up calls.
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#55
Posté 01 août 2013 - 05:01
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How was the story of BioShock: Infinite ambiguous?
Elizabeth spends the last 10 minutes of the game giving you a massive exposition dump. This is after the Twins have been informing you of the metaphysics of the game for the last half of the game and we've had cutscenes and interactive flashbacks to explain things as well.
Elizabeth spends the last 10 minutes of the game giving you a massive exposition dump. This is after the Twins have been informing you of the metaphysics of the game for the last half of the game and we've had cutscenes and interactive flashbacks to explain things as well.
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Posté 01 août 2013 - 05:04
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Is it strange that the biggest hangup I had with ME3 was not being able to holster my damn gun? I don't even know why it bothers me to such an extent - other than being harder to search an area for things - but it does. Granted, I didn't get it until the ending DLC was out, but still.
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Posté 01 août 2013 - 05:07
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Star fury wrote...
I'm going to see if Bioware can learn from it's past mistakes. DA2 and especially ME3 should be big wake up calls.
So were BG2, NWN, KoToR, JE, ME, DAO and so on. Every BioWare game is some failure and is met with the same rhetoric about how they need to learn from their mistakes.
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Posté 01 août 2013 - 05:13
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I don't really see how they can, ME3 failed on many levels, but the DA team is made up of completely different writers so I have some hope. If they fail? I leave simple as that.
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Posté 01 août 2013 - 05:17
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I liked it and I hated the OEs the EC is tolerable for me. Since when does ambiguous = good? Are you telling me you loved the "Dark Age" bs they shoved down everyone's throat? The Godchild showing up out of nowhere and Shepard just blindly accepting everything starjar says as Gospel? That's good writing to you?AlanC9 wrote...
Interloper wrote...
Bioshock Infinite disproves your argument, ME fans can handle ambiguity, they just can't handle crap storytelling.
It disproves my argument if the ME fans who disliked ME3 are also Bioshock Infinite fans. Are they? I liked it fine, but I didn't mind ME3 either so I don't count.
But this is turning into a massive derail.
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Posté 01 août 2013 - 05:21
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addiction21 wrote...
Star fury wrote...
I'm going to see if Bioware can learn from it's past mistakes. DA2 and especially ME3 should be big wake up calls.
So were BG2, NWN, KoToR, JE, ME, DAO and so on. Every BioWare game is some failure and is met with the same rhetoric about how they need to learn from their mistakes.
Bull****. All games you mentioned were succesfull, opionons ranging from masterpiece(BG2) to good(JE), they were both bestsellers and had favourable reviews.
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#61
Posté 01 août 2013 - 05:29
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Why should I consider future games solely through the prism of the previous ones ?
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Posté 01 août 2013 - 05:34
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Well, if they pull off another ME3 they will pretty much lose another huge chunk of their fanbase and lose more consumer trust. I'm sure that deep down they don't want that, but their actions sort of says otherwise.
#63
Posté 01 août 2013 - 05:39
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DA2 WAS the ME3 of Dragon Age. We got that already.
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Posté 01 août 2013 - 05:41
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I am Happy witch DA team writing. David Gaider's is not Mac Walters. I enjoyed DA both games played multiple times. And DA:I never becom ME3. What they invent spaceship who fly with blood magic.
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Posté 01 août 2013 - 05:52
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@OP:
If they did it right, I would accept it.
Suppose we get a final choice including the following options:
(1) Strengthen the Veil so that nobody can use magic anymore. There are no more demons and spirits who can cross from the Fade, and the civilizations of Thedas are safe.
(2) Destroy the Veil so that everyone gets magical abilities. Demons and spirits are free to roam the world, but now everyone has the means to deal with them. The civilizations of Thedas are transformed.
It's possible that I wouldn't exactly like those options since they transformed a world I have come to like into something very different, but these options would make perfect sense in the context of what we know about the plot. Also, my reaction would depend on how these choices are implemented. Depending on what the story reveals, most likely I wouldn't mind a choice presented by, say, Flemeth. The equivalent of the Catalyst would be a collective consciousness made up from the conjoined minds of all demons in the Fade. I can't see that coming.
If they did it right, I would accept it.
Suppose we get a final choice including the following options:
(1) Strengthen the Veil so that nobody can use magic anymore. There are no more demons and spirits who can cross from the Fade, and the civilizations of Thedas are safe.
(2) Destroy the Veil so that everyone gets magical abilities. Demons and spirits are free to roam the world, but now everyone has the means to deal with them. The civilizations of Thedas are transformed.
It's possible that I wouldn't exactly like those options since they transformed a world I have come to like into something very different, but these options would make perfect sense in the context of what we know about the plot. Also, my reaction would depend on how these choices are implemented. Depending on what the story reveals, most likely I wouldn't mind a choice presented by, say, Flemeth. The equivalent of the Catalyst would be a collective consciousness made up from the conjoined minds of all demons in the Fade. I can't see that coming.
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Posté 01 août 2013 - 05:53
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I've yet to play a bad Bioware game. I've yet to play a mediocre Bioware game.
I don't expect that to change, regardless of others' wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I don't expect that to change, regardless of others' wailing and gnashing of teeth.
#67
Posté 01 août 2013 - 05:59
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Vapaä wrote...
Why should I consider future games solely through the prism of the previous ones ?
Same reason you don't keep eating foods you don't like?
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Posté 01 août 2013 - 05:59
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Ieldra2 wrote...
@OP:
If they did it right, I would accept it.
Suppose we get a final choice including the following options:
(1) Strengthen the Veil so that nobody can use magic anymore. There are no more demons and spirits who can cross from the Fade, and the civilizations of Thedas are safe.
(2) Destroy the Veil so that everyone gets magical abilities. Demons and spirits are free to roam the world, but now everyone has the means to deal with them. The civilizations of Thedas are transformed.
It's possible that I wouldn't exactly like those options since they transformed a world I have come to like into something very different, but these options would make perfect sense in the context of what we know about the plot. Also, my reaction would depend on how these choices are implemented. Depending on what the story reveals, most likely I wouldn't mind a choice presented by, say, Flemeth. The equivalent of the Catalyst would be a collective consciousness made up from the conjoined minds of all demons in the Fade. I can't see that coming.
There is a third option. DESTROY the Fade. Utterly wipe it out, burn it to the ground. How? I don't know, that's the writer's job to think of.
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Posté 01 août 2013 - 06:02
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andy69156915 wrote...
DA2 WAS the ME3 of Dragon Age. We got that already.
As far as I'm concerned DA2 was a masterpiece compared to ME3
ME 3 is the reason I am going to be very cautious about DAI. Different team or no.
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Posté 01 août 2013 - 06:03
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iakus wrote...
andy69156915 wrote...
DA2 WAS the ME3 of Dragon Age. We got that already.
As far as I'm concerned DA2 was a masterpiece compared to ME3
ME 3 is the reason I am going to be very cautious about DAI. Different team or no.
Oh I agree. I was just you know... Saying.
#71
Posté 01 août 2013 - 06:07
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You mean if it's a pretty great game? Well I'd be chuffed.
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Posté 01 août 2013 - 06:09
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ME2 was a huge red warning sign for me. Turned ME series from rpg to pew pew. For that I was suspicious regarding ME3. Waited and read the player reviews etc. Didn't buy it. Dropped ME series.
Now DA2 was similar red warning sign and now I am suspiciously waiting what will come out. If the player reviews are good I will buy it, if not then I will drop DA serie too.
Now DA2 was similar red warning sign and now I am suspiciously waiting what will come out. If the player reviews are good I will buy it, if not then I will drop DA serie too.
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Posté 01 août 2013 - 06:11
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Well ME:3 is my favourite game of the trilogy, so if Inquisition is its Dragon Age equivalent, then I'll be pretty happy.
#74
Posté 01 août 2013 - 06:22
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BasilKarlo wrote...
Same reason you don't keep eating foods you don't like?
I can't even give it a try when there's NEW food ? Instead of thinking "well the previous food was rubbish so the next one must be too"
EDIT: I like DA2 better than DAO (yes I do), but I am a big fan of NFS, and when the series jumped the shark, I always considered the next game as a possible redemption...turns out I was right since the last two are the best ones
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#75
Posté 01 août 2013 - 06:26
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I'm one of those weird people who don't really make a big deal of the flaws in a game. if the game is another step down from DA2 I would be insanely dissapointed but I would try to focus on the pros. I also like the fact that bioware has had a good amount of time being out into DAI unlike ME3 which was rushed I think. But IF the game bombs, and I'm sure it won't?, ill just be extremely disappointed in bioware because they've had lots of time and some good fan feedback etc etc.
