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[The Evil Chris]

Face of Evil wrote...

If you dropped the series, why do you care?

Yep, this. If you want to stir up trouble, you're in the wrong place and will be treated accordingly.

[Paul E Dangerously]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

I'm hoping it will be like Mass Effect 2: reviled by a small group of conservatives, but hailed as superior to its predecessor by the vast majority..

I think ME2's a better game, but it's basically one giant sidestory and not a real sequel.

[fchopin]

The Evil Chris wrote...

Yep, this. If you want to stir up trouble, you're in the wrong place and will be treated accordingly.

Is this your new account Chris?

[Angrywolves]

Thought Chris would be looking on from afar.
Who's the new community person Chris ?

I think the tc has legitimate concerns after Bioware's last two debacles and their shift away from a traditional rpg format.

[WoolyJoe]

But I (and, as much as you like to ignore it, a whole bunch of other people...) enjoyed Mass Effect 3, so wouldn't the stated thesis/apprehension be a good thing?

Taste is subjective, guy. Whilst prolonged bitterness and vitriol are just boring...

[Bourne Endeavor]

AlanC9 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Then BioWare will have proven that they have not learned anything from their fans.

It's the speculation they are after.

Actually, I'll bet that the main things Bio takes away from ME3 are that their fans can't handle ambiguity, and they need to have things spelled out rather than implied. 

What ME3 offered was not ambiguity. An ambiguous conclusion actually has an ending that both legitimizes and suits its narrative, yet a subtle subplot or two is left to the audiences imagination. Shepard's breath scene? That is ambiguous because the plot has concluded and Shepard's survival is not technically relevant. Starboy manifesting out of nowhere and granting us permission to "win the game" - not before a lengthy infodump on speculative claims we have no reason to believe, from a clearly biased perspective. That is simply bad writing.

All I can say about DA: I is my expectations are low. However! I will grab the popcorn and chair should they not learn from their mistakes. That **** storm would be something to see.

The Evil Chris wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

If you dropped the series, why do you care?

Yep, this. If you want to stir up trouble, you're in the wrong place and will be treated accordingly.

Considering the enormous backlash. It's a fairly legitimate question, although not one I suspect you like. The TC seemed civil. Curiosity is always an evil mistress.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 02 août 2013 - 09:50 .

[TsaiMeLemoni]

If we get a game that is largely spectacular with a medocre ending like ME3, then I will be just fine with it. So long as I enjoy the overall experience.

[Gorguz]

Steelcan wrote...
That may be what they take away, but it is false.  We just dont like railroaded forced grimdark that makes no narrative or thematic sense.

You are wasting your time. According to fanboys, those who disliked mass effect 3 did it only because there isn't a happy ending or because we didn't understand the starchild part. It doesn't matter if you say that the lore has been destroyed, or that the cheap and illogical plot exploits do not fool anyone (but them), they will ignore your point, saying to themself that you are complaining for silly causes.

[Felya87]

ME3 had various problems, even if we don't consider the endings part (still can't stomach them. "no ABC andings", they said >_>) less than DA2 that was terrible in so many aspect I can't decide wich one was worse.

still, both want the gamer feel like loosing, and that's something I can't like in a videogame. I can like drama sometimes (not ALWAYS!!!!) but I play to have fun, an not became depressed.

[AlanC9]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Actually, I'll bet that the main things Bio takes away from ME3 are that their fans can't handle ambiguity, and they need to have things spelled out rather than implied. 

What ME3 offered was not ambiguity. An ambiguous conclusion actually has an ending that both legitimizes and suits its narrative, yet a subtle subplot or two is left to the audiences imagination. Shepard's breath scene? That is ambiguous because the plot has concluded and Shepard's survival is not technically relevant. Starboy manifesting out of nowhere and granting us permission to "win the game" - not before a lengthy infodump on speculative claims we have no reason to believe, from a clearly biased perspective. That is simply bad writing.
 

My point was that the breath scene didn't do what it was designed to do. I'm not sure it should really count as ambiguous, myself; if the exact same scene was in a TV series you'd have to be really, really stupid to think that Shepard was dying. If you've got a better description I'll gladly use it.

As for the Catalyst's speculative claims, are we supposed to believe them? Or just that it believed them?

[XGrlGamerX]

I actually really liked ME3, just because the ending wasn't that great doesn't mean that the game didn't wrap the story or characters well. My problem with Dragon Age 2 was with making characters and not being to interact with them. I really only liked Merrill and Bethany. I just don't care as much about those character as I did in DAO so I'm hoping for some awesome NPCs and major appearances in this war with some old NPCs.

[AlanC9]

Gorguz wrote...

You are wasting your time. According to fanboys, those who disliked mass effect 3 did it only because there isn't a happy ending or because we didn't understand the starchild part. It doesn't matter if you say that the lore has been destroyed, or that the cheap and illogical plot exploits do not fool anyone (but them), they will ignore your point, saying to themself that you are complaining for silly causes.

This argument would be a lot more convincing if people didn't keep making posts like the one that directly followed yours.

[Iakus]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

I'm hoping it will be like Mass Effect 2: reviled by a small group of conservatives, but hailed as superior to its predecessor by the vast majority.

DA2 was about on par with ME1 in awfulness, so I'm hoping DAI will be another ''hit'' rather than a ''miss''.

Given I don't find either ME1 or DA2 to be awful, I'd consider DAI being on par with them to be a success, if a minor one.

But if it turns out to be like ME3, where it's clear BW has just been jerking its fans around for the last several years, I will not be happy.

[TMJfin]

ME3 wasn't bad IMO so... And I love DA2, it has it's charms. You know, like Lowtown Only thing that could ruin BioWare for me is that they start to make games like CoD. Not to say CoD is a bad game for people who likes that sort of games. And all of us should remember what Varric said about opinions

[voice_of_darkness]

Angrywolves wrote...

Thought Chris would be looking on from afar.
Who's the new community person Chris ?

I think the tc has legitimate concerns after Bioware's last two debacles and their shift away from a traditional rpg format.

 

This. Guess anyone who doesn't immediately buy into the hype will be dealt with accordingly. I still remember how DA2 promised that there were various ways to be Champion yet it wasn't like that in the real game. Sorry if I want to know if people will still buy into the hype:alien:

[LinksOcarina]

voice_of_darkness wrote...

 My question is based on Bioware's track record. If DA: I has some controversy which the fans universally despise like a Starchild, would you still support Bioware? I already dropped this series after the failure that was DA2 but I was wondering what the rest of you that still stay with this series would think

Says who?

Also, support is a tricky thing. I have no loyalty to anyone as it is, if they make a bad game they make a bad game. It doesn't mean I won't trust or distrust them in the future, doing so based on that is narrow-minded if you ask me. 

[Twisted Path]

At the very least it seems like Inquisition won't have an almost complete lack of roleplaying options. That was the thing I hated the most about Mass Effect 3. People will always be hung up about the ending but for me having two dialogue choices that often just meant saying the same thing with a slightly different tone was a lot worse.

If Inquisition is an action game with a few RPG elements thrown in for old time's sake then it just won't be a game I'd buy, much like how I don't plan on buying a Mass Effect game again. But eh, it looks like it'll at least be an RPG. I really liked the concept picture with what looked like an extensive dialogue tree.

[Jonathan Seagull]

voice_of_darkness wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Thought Chris would be looking on from afar.
Who's the new community person Chris ?

I think the tc has legitimate concerns after Bioware's last two debacles and their shift away from a traditional rpg format.

 

This. Guess anyone who doesn't immediately buy into the hype will be dealt with accordingly. I still remember how DA2 promised that there were various ways to be Champion yet it wasn't like that in the real game. Sorry if I want to know if people will still buy into the hype:alien:

The problem is that, to be honest, your post comes across as rather disingenuous and leading.  Statements like "Is it a crime to wonder how loyal Bioware fans will be after two bombshells?" and "universally despised" seem like you basically telling the rest of the community what they think.  In other words, you're framing your discussion by essentially implying that everyone had the same opinions on those games as you.  Which sort of undermines the idea that you're looking for a real discussion.

AlanC9 wrote...

Gorguz wrote...

You are wasting your time. According to fanboys, those who disliked mass effect 3 did it only because there isn't a happy ending or because we didn't understand the starchild part. It doesn't matter if you say that the lore has been destroyed, or that the cheap and illogical plot exploits do not fool anyone (but them), they will ignore your point, saying to themself that you are complaining for silly causes.

This argument would be a lot more convincing if people didn't keep making posts like the one that directly followed yours.

It still wouldn't be convincing, because it isn't really an argument.  It's a broad generalization of those who don't share the same opinion.  Gorguz, throwing people into categories like "fanboy" (or hater, for that matter) is the enemy of honest conversation.  There are legitimate reasons why others like the game, just as there are legitimate reasons why others don't.

Modifié par Jonathan Seagull, 02 août 2013 - 08:58 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

To address the topic again:

The release is Winter 2014 and they've already spent well over two years developing the game without having to build an engine from scrap. I do think the game will be good.

The Evil Chris wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

If you dropped the series, why do you care?

Yep, this. If you want to stir up trouble, you're in the wrong place and will be treated accordingly.



[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

That sounds like a polite threat to said person.

That's pretty badass but BioWareMod02 is still the boss.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 02 août 2013 - 09:01 .

[PinkysPain]

Dragon Age is Gaider's baby, Mass Effect was Walters unwanted step son ... I don't know if Gaider has come to despise player agency as much as Walters, but the setting itself is unlikely to be treated to a salting of the earth like ME3.

So no need to fear, at worst it will only be bad as ME2/DA2 ...

Modifié par PinkysPain, 02 août 2013 - 11:08 .

[wolfhowwl]

Hmm. What IF [they] changed more about a future Dragon Age than you might like? Quel horreur!



I imagine it would look something like this:



Stage 1: Denial

Posts of "no, it can't be true!" and "maybe they didn't mean what we think it means!"



Stage 2: Anger

As the truth sinks in, posts of "Bioware, you have betrayed all that is good and righteous!" and furious predictions of financial collapse and boycotts, etc. etc.



Stage 3: Bargaining

Hopeful posts of "Well, if we don't get X will we still get Y?" and "Well, since there's still Z maybe X won't seem that bad" or even "Will we be able to change X ourselves?"



Stage 4: Depression

"Bioware is dead", "RPG's are dead", etc. ad nauseum as that glorious, scintillating might-have-been is now really gone.



and finally Stage 5: Acceptance

You see whatever game it is for what it actually is and enjoy it on its own terms.



or, alternatively Stage 5: Acceptance

You realize it's not the game for you, but might be for other people. You move on.



or, if you really must, you go back to Stage 1: Denial

You refuse to accept the presence of X in your beloved game, or any game for that matter, and begin a bitter campaign to convince everyone else that it is the travesty you think it is. If you play the game, you are determined to hate it-- and voila! You do! Possibly you hang out on RPG Codex.

...at least, that's how it usually happens. Or so I've found over the years 

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 02 août 2013 - 11:10 .

[cjones91]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Much as Bioware games are no where near as good as they were five years ago, the worst Bioware game made is still better than 99.5% of all the other games out there. ME3 was still more enjoyable than anything that's come out since Skyrim. The reason flaws in Bioware's games make people so mad is because they are like looking at a big ugly scratch on the Mona Lisa.

Eh...I'd argue that some games that have yet be released this year and are going to be released next year will have DA:Inqusition's number.Of course that's not including games like Witcher 3 who will be gunning for Bioware's spot as the best RPG makers.