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[EmperorSahlertz]

voice_of_darkness wrote...

 My question is based on Bioware's track record. If DA: I has some controversy which the fans universally despise like a Starchild, would you still support Bioware? I already dropped this series after the failure that was DA2 but I was wondering what the rest of you that still stay with this series would think

"Universally despised"............... I loved the entirety of the Mass Effect trilogy. And I vastly prefer the gameplay of DA2 over DA:O. So, in conclusion, if DA:I takes some inspiration from ME3, then I wont even care in the slightest, since I love both series. Secondary conclusion, don't try and use the word "universally" when it isn't true...

[Angrywolves]

If you read the forums fans were unhappy about other things in DA3 besides the poorly conceived and written endings.
shrugs.
We'll see how DAI goes.
I do think the people who worked on DAO then left had the proper vision .
Not sure if the people who replaced them do.

[addiction21]

Angrywolves wrote...

If you read the forums fans were unhappy about other things in DA3 besides the poorly conceived and written endings.
shrugs.
We'll see how DAI goes.
I do think the people who worked on DAO then left had the proper vision .
Not sure if the people who replaced them do.

Really fans are unhappy on the internet? Please tell us more about this phenomenon.

And by "worked on DAO then left" do you mean Brent Knowels the martyred saint of BIoWare past?

Because there are still a lot of the same people that were in BIoWare before DAO, worked on DAO, did the same for DA2 and are still there. Like most all of the writers, producers, etc...

[cjones91]

[quote]addiction21 wrote...

[quote]Angrywolves wrote...

If you read the forums fans were unhappy about other things in DA3 besides the poorly conceived and written endings.
shrugs.
We'll see how DAI goes.
I do think the people who worked on DAO then left had the proper vision .
Not sure if the people who replaced them do.[/quote]

Really fans are unhappy on the internet? Please tell us more about this phenomenon.

And by "worked on DAO then left" do you mean Brent Knowels the martyred saint of BIoWare past?

Because there are still a lot of the same people that were in BIoWare before DAO, worked on DAO, did the same for DA2 and are still there. Like most all of the writers, producers, etc...[/quote/]You have to admit that Bioware has lost alot of key talent over the years.Just take a look at the credits of the Mass Efect games and you will notice the list is very short by the third game.

[MarchWaltz]

ME1/DAO was a great RPG game.

ME2/DA2 was a great action game with RPG features shot to the ground.

ME3/DAI(?) Overall still an action game with a little more RPG elements.

Let's hope DAI is DAO with DA2 combat.

That's alot of acronyms

Modifié par MarchWaltz, 06 août 2013 - 01:53 .

[MarchWaltz]

Double blah

Modifié par MarchWaltz, 06 août 2013 - 01:51 .

[Fast Jimmy]

mmarksp wrote...

If DA: I is just half as amazing as 95% of ME3, then I'm sold. Even great companies make mistakes, and as consumers we can at least be grateful for the rest of the stuff BioWare has given us.
"What if DA: I is going to be a ME3?" - Give me a break. I can understand being upset over the ending, but expecting BioWare to be such a bad company, not learning of their mistakes, is frankly just pissing me off.

Although, to be fair, I saw quite a number of threads before ME3 asking what would happen if it had an ending as bad as DA2. 

Assuming because a mistake is well-known that people then somehow automatically learn from it is not true. It just makes it a well-documented failure. 

[Angrywolves]

So there were others besides Knowles.
Someone doesn't like Knowles it seems.
shrugs.
I would like an explanation why hawke was written to fail and nobody there realized people want their protagonist to succeed.
Why the unrealistic teleporting enemies and so on.
A bunch on the bottom rung remain from the time of DAO remain with Bioware .
That's nice.
But they have no creative input.

[addiction21]

Angrywolves wrote...

So there were others besides Knowles.
Someone doesn't like Knowles it seems.

I liked him long before he left and was regular around the forums. What I am tired of is him and the rest being offered up like saints but then damning all the other BioWare employees that were there and had as much input to the games you liked. because you didn't  like a game or two.

Angrywolves wrote...

A bunch on the bottom rung remain from the time of DAO remain with Bioware .
That's nice.
But they have no creative input.

Not true at all.

[Slayer299]

If DA:I was to be as big a mess as ME3, than it would be time to move on from Bioware as this would be strike three for them (ME3, DA2 and if the worst passes, DA:I).

I'd like to think positively, that Bioware is not making their games to a much different RPG-lite audience and I'm not one to stay aboard with them.

[Das Tentakel]

In Exile wrote...

But...but...but...but...not EPIC! 

I thought TW2 had a pretty epic storyline, just without having epic choices. 

Ha! If done properly, you can have an 'epic' story about gnomes, rabbits or even mice. The epics of the  'Trojan Cycle', including the Iliad and the Odyssey, were about the fate of a single city and the heroes involved in its fall.
The Godfather is about the rise and fall of a single mafia dynasty who, while influential in their sphere, aren't all that important in the wider world.
'Epic' has become synonymous with 'preventing the end of the world / universe' scenarios in videogames, fantasy doorstoppers and some extent blockbuster movies, but most 'epic' movies and stories aren't about that at all.

Execution is the key, not the 'scale' of the conflict / threat.

[voice_of_darkness]

I suggest not believing all the hype about DA:I at this time. Remembers all that things that were promised in DA2? We all know how that turned out... I also only imagine the reaction if the save imports automatically make a choice for you and kill off someone without your interaction, such as if you sided with the Templars, x is dead even if x survived and sided with you.

[Taleroth]

Define "support." I'm probably more of a detractor than a proponent as it is. I fully expect some immense disappointment on par with Starchild to be present in Dragon Age 3. I fully anticipate it.

However, there's a tinge of optimism that it won't be. So let's remain wary, let's accept the possibility of hope, and let's see what happens.

I've had a rough history with Bioware games in the past. They've surprised me before. They can surprise me again. But it's only a possibility, not a certainty.

[Angrywolves]

Addiction has been proven wrong before.
Shrugs.
Knowles is entitled to his opinion .
I doubt Addiction worked for Bioware .
As it is I am excited about the new revelations, so I'm willing to give Bioware a chance.

[Savber100]

voice_of_darkness wrote...

I suggest not believing all the hype about DA:I at this time. Remembers all that things that were promised in DA2? We all know how that turned out... I also only imagine the reaction if the save imports automatically make a choice for you and kill off someone without your interaction, such as if you sided with the Templars, x is dead even if x survived and sided with you.

The difference here is in DA2 and ME3 the promises centered around reactivity and choice & consequences within story. 

Right now, the excitement seems to be around gameplay mechanics like riding horses, dynamic weather, customizable squadmates etc. These are mechanics that marketing can't really lie about besides exaggerate...


As for Bioware's talk on C&C? I don't really believe them until I see more. 

[aridor1570]

Seeing as I loved ME3, I will have no problem what so ever.

[zqrahll]

Bioware already lost me as a fan. DA3 is their last chance to make any money off me. However...

I am waiting for fan reviews & spoilers to come out before I even consider buying this game. They already have had 3 strikes to lose me (DA2, TOR, ME3)-- if this game doesn't turn out to be completely amazing, I will just forget the entire company.

[Conquerthecity]

Then I will be happy I waited for bargain bin prices. Bioware would have to do something pretty amazing for me to change my plans.

[Blooddrunk1004]

zqrahll wrote...

Bioware already lost me as a fan. DA3 is their last chance to make any money off me. However...

I am waiting for fan reviews & spoilers to come out before I even consider buying this game. They already have had 3 strikes to lose me (DA2, TOR, ME3)-- if this game doesn't turn out to be completely amazing, I will just forget the entire company.

Just wait for Angry Joe and Totalhalibut reviews, since they always say where the game has problems and if it's worth playing or not.

I stopped trusting a so called "professional reviews" for Bioware games ever since PC Gamer called DA2 RPG of the decade and when ME3 received 9.5 on IGN.  Does it deserve 4.8 score on metacritic? absolutely

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 08 août 2013 - 07:11 .

[Nyaore]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

zqrahll wrote...

Bioware already lost me as a fan. DA3 is their last chance to make any money off me. However...

I am waiting for fan reviews & spoilers to come out before I even consider buying this game. They already have had 3 strikes to lose me (DA2, TOR, ME3)-- if this game doesn't turn out to be completely amazing, I will just forget the entire company.

Just wait for Angry Joe and Totalhalibut reviews, since they always say where the game has problems and if it's worth playing or not.

I stopped trusting a so called "professional reviews" for Bioware games ever since PC Gamer called DA2 RPG of the decade and when ME3 received 9.5 on IGN.  Does it deserve 4.8 score on metacritic? absolutely

That's generally what I do when it comes to series I'm uncertain about. Joe and Biscuit are generally pretty good about pointing out the flaws in a game, and they'll even go back and fix their previous ratings if they feel they were too unfair or too kind to the game in question. (Joe did that with DA2, and lowered the previous score he had given it by a full point after playing it for awhile longer.)

Personally I disliked the Star Child from a story standpoint, as I didn't feel they did enough to backwrite him and the scenarios he was proclaiming into the games before hand. Oh sure, they tried to fix that with later DLC's but in the vanilla trilogy it just felt like several gaping plot holes were opened the moment he opened his synthetic mouth. That was really my only problem with it, that and the lack of clarification about the crew pre-Extended Cut. Shepard dying? Didn't care, lack of a happy ending? Couldn't care less either. Had they actually had his conclusions make sense, such as making peace between the Quarians and Geth impossible, I'd have been fine. So long as DAI doesn't have those kinds of plot holes at the end and is relatively bug free I'll probably enjoy it.

It also helps that I never let myself get too hyped for any game, as it always leads to heartache. The less expectations I have, the less likely I am to hate it.

Modifié par Nyaore, 08 août 2013 - 09:17 .

[Taleroth]

If DA3 is like ME3, I'll simply say "I thought this would happen, but hoped it wouldn't."

That's misleading. There won't be anything simple about it. There'll be a lot of harsh criticism alongside.

[crimzontearz]

Well....sadly that is a possibility, if that happens I really am not sure what to do