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[ShepnTali]

 Not a fan of synthesis, but that's irrelevant. Just putting it out there to avoid assumptions. I believe both destroy and control would be easier to work with. Destroy is obvious, I think. Control could pretty much be out of sight, and out of mind. Theory being, reapers would never be unleashed again, except for another extreme case of total galactic chaos. In theory, of course. I could go with it. We just never see them again in game.

However, I am curious. Whether pro or con, how would you envision synthesis playing out in a theoretical sequel? What kind of conflict or antagonist could you see, making for a compelling story? I am sure it could go somewhere, but I personally wouldn't know where to begin.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

With me going on a galactic killing spree.

[Arcian]

Synthesis is nonsense, and no story could ever be built on nonsense.

[Mcfly616]

Synthesis isn't my ending either. I hope they don't choose a Canon for the next game. However, its definitely possible to create a narrative within a synthesized universe. Countless novels have done it.

It will work. Especially if the next game is a more small-scale/self contained story, instead of a galactic war.

[Epic777]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Synthesis isn't my ending either. I hope they don't choose a Canon for the next game. However, its definitely possible to create a narrative within a synthesized universe. Countless novels have done it.

It will work. Especially if the next game is a more small-scale/self contained story, instead of a galactic war.

It is not the scale of the conflict that makes this a challenge. The next ME will have to have a smaller/self contained regardless of whch ending. The problem with a synthesis is it creates Utopia. In a synthesized universe it is not so much what kind of conflicts in as much as it is what conflict?

[jtav]

I'd take cues from cyberpunk. Husks as an exploited underclass. A virtual reality/,atrix-ty[e space. Everything about you online, etc.

[Steelcan]

jtav wrote...

I'd take cues from cyberpunk. Husks as an exploited underclass. A virtual reality/,atrix-ty[e space. Everything about you online, etc.

I doubt that the writers would be capable of doing a story like that well.

And how can you be exploitative of husks?  They are zombies.

[Mcfly616]

Epic777 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Synthesis isn't my ending either. I hope they don't choose a Canon for the next game. However, its definitely possible to create a narrative within a synthesized universe. Countless novels have done it.

It will work. Especially if the next game is a more small-scale/self contained story, instead of a galactic war.

It is not the scale of the conflict that makes this a challenge. The next ME will have to have a smaller/self contained regardless of whch ending. The problem with a synthesis is it creates Utopia. In a synthesized universe it is not so much what kind of conflicts in as much as it is what conflict?

just because Synthesis solves the problem of organics vs synthetics (on the whole), it doesn't mean that certain people/factions don't have theirs differences. It's a utopia in the sense that all life in the galaxy is not threatened with extinction due to the organic/synthetic conflict. It's not like it does away with warlords or crime bosses or evil shadow corporations/syndicates.

It's a utopia for the big picture. There's still possibilities for small-scale conflict.

[Secretlyapotato]

Sure, everyone would just have glowy eyes and you would be able to find random geth and husks and reapers complaining to you about their issues, and that's it I guess.

And I guess you would probably be better off running away if a reaper mercenary was after you.

Modifié par Secretlyapotato, 01 août 2013 - 09:32 .

[HellbirdIV]

Steelcan wrote...

And how can you be exploitative of husks?  They are zombies.

According to the EC, Synthesis makes Husks sapient.

Yes, really.

I can't imagine what that means for Brutes (Half Krogan, Half Turian) and Cannibals (Half Batarian, Half Human), though. It's yet another reason Synthesis is horrific.

Modifié par HellbirdIV, 01 août 2013 - 09:33 .

[spirosz]

Steelcan wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'd take cues from cyberpunk. Husks as an exploited underclass. A virtual reality/,atrix-ty[e space. Everything about you online, etc.

I doubt that the writers would be capable of doing a story like that well.

And how can you be exploitative of husks?  They are zombies.

Everything about you online?  I though all green = everyone connected, ya dig? 

Modifié par spirosz, 01 août 2013 - 09:32 .

[DeinonSlayer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

With me going on a galactic killing spree.

Build the Crucible, pick Synthesis.
Build another Crucible, pick Destroy.

Profit!

[Steelcan]

HellbirdIV wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

And how can you be exploitative of husks?  They are zombies.

According to the EC, Synthesis makes Husks sapient.

Yes, really.

I can't imagine what that means for Brutes (Half Krogan, Half Turian) and Cannibals (Half Batarian, Half Human), though. It's yet another reason Synthesis is horrific.

that is stupid, the husks should just have been vaporized

[HellbirdIV]

Steelcan wrote...

HellbirdIV wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

And how can you be exploitative of husks?  They are zombies.

According to the EC, Synthesis makes Husks sapient.

Yes, really.

I can't imagine what that means for Brutes (Half Krogan, Half Turian) and Cannibals (Half Batarian, Half Human), though. It's yet another reason Synthesis is horrific.

that is stupid, the husks should just have been vaporized

Synthesis as a whole is stupid, too, so no shock there.

[Steelcan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

With me going on a galactic killing spree.

Build the Crucible, pick Synthesis.
Build another Crucible, pick Destroy.

Profit!

Reverse the order:whistle:

[ruggly]

I suppose if they showed the possible consequences of it. Like people still fighting the reapers, or trying to undo synthesis, "rebels" if you were to call them something.  Like a protagonist who is either pro-synthesis, or joins the group trying to undo it. Husks and other reaper forces going crazy or something. Or even what jtav said, a cyberpunk setting.

Modifié par ruggly, 01 août 2013 - 09:40 .

[Ledgend1221]

They can't.
Unless they want to relabel ME as Fantasy instead of Sci-fi.

[ShepnTali]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

They can't.
Unless they want to relabel ME as Fantasy instead of Sci-fi.

I think we already have that hybrid. I can't imagine defending the whole of Mass Effect as hard sci fi.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Synthesis definitely has the intrigue at its core value to be a worthwhile exploration; the depth of what the galaxy has become, synthetic evolution, turmoil over becoming an abomination. The possibilities are there. Unfortunately, a story of such magnitude has proved to be beyond anything BioWare can write. A writing team needs deft understanding of the philosophical and scientific components to pull off such a story, at least one worth playing/reading. BioWare lately seems far too willing to handwave and come up with pseudo-science , which often becomes needlessly convoluted.

Granted, that is not to say the couldn't put in the necessary research; rather I simply do not believe they would. If Mac attempts another Catalyst to explain science. Well, good luck.

Modifié par BioWareMod01, 02 août 2013 - 03:40 .

[ShepnTali]

It would be interesting if they handed a story job over to an author of note that writes best sellers in the genre. That's what was done with Kingdoms of Amalur. Whether that turned out to be good literature or not, is another matter.


Unless Mac is one of them. I don't follow that aspect at all.

[jstme]

With few retcons everything is possible. Post synthesis everyone is a cyborg with implants. Continuation of Deus Ex rip offs,only now it is on the "genetic matrix" level. No green patterns ,no " organic life assscention". No utopia.
Conflicts are possible between cyborgs that want to become non-cyborgs, cyborgs that want to remain cyborgs, cyborgs that want to become glowing AI types, AI that want to become more organic, AI that want to become less organicly insane, AI that wants to rule it all....
Possibilities are infinite. Just use the magic retcon marker.

[Epic777]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Synthesis isn't my ending either. I hope they don't choose a Canon for the next game. However, its definitely possible to create a narrative within a synthesized universe. Countless novels have done it.

It will work. Especially if the next game is a more small-scale/self contained story, instead of a galactic war.

It is not the scale of the conflict that makes this a challenge. The next ME will have to have a smaller/self contained regardless of whch ending. The problem with a synthesis is it creates Utopia. In a synthesized universe it is not so much what kind of conflicts in as much as it is what conflict?

just because Synthesis solves the problem of organics vs synthetics (on the whole), it doesn't mean that certain people/factions don't have theirs differences. It's a utopia in the sense that all life in the galaxy is not threatened with extinction due to the organic/synthetic conflict. It's not like it does away with warlords or crime bosses or evil shadow corporations/syndicates.

It's a utopia for the big picture. There's still possibilities for small-scale conflict.

Its Utopic in that:
->Everyone gets along. No one is concerned their once enemies are helping rebuild, everyone simply expects it. 
->No organic vs synthetics problem, completely fixed.
->The Krogan seem to rebuild even if wreav is in charge and the genophage is cured.
->You literally gain all the knowledge of all harvested civilizations
->According to EDI they may overcome life and death

Thats not me using head-canon but what the ending is shown in the EC

Now the question is how do you create a conflict that is not too large(overwise the Mass Effect Universe becomes a monster of the week cartoon), yet avoid contrived sceanrios especiialy for small scaled conflicts?

[Mcfly616]

Epic777 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Synthesis isn't my ending either. I hope they don't choose a Canon for the next game. However, its definitely possible to create a narrative within a synthesized universe. Countless novels have done it.

It will work. Especially if the next game is a more small-scale/self contained story, instead of a galactic war.

It is not the scale of the conflict that makes this a challenge. The next ME will have to have a smaller/self contained regardless of whch ending. The problem with a synthesis is it creates Utopia. In a synthesized universe it is not so much what kind of conflicts in as much as it is what conflict?

just because Synthesis solves the problem of organics vs synthetics (on the whole), it doesn't mean that certain people/factions don't have theirs differences. It's a utopia in the sense that all life in the galaxy is not threatened with extinction due to the organic/synthetic conflict. It's not like it does away with warlords or crime bosses or evil shadow corporations/syndicates.

It's a utopia for the big picture. There's still possibilities for small-scale conflict.

Its Utopic in that:
->Everyone gets along. No one is concerned their once enemies are helping rebuild, everyone simply expects it. 
->No organic vs synthetics problem, completely fixed.
->The Krogan seem to rebuild even if wreav is in charge and the genophage is cured.
->You literally gain all the knowledge of all harvested civilizations
->According to EDI they may overcome life and death

none of these negates the possibility of conflict in the future


I'm not disagreeing that its a great peaceful utopian golden age. I'm just saying its not like every single person is walking around hopped up on Love Potion #9

Modifié par Mcfly616, 01 août 2013 - 10:16 .

[Epic777]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Synthesis isn't my ending either. I hope they don't choose a Canon for the next game. However, its definitely possible to create a narrative within a synthesized universe. Countless novels have done it.

It will work. Especially if the next game is a more small-scale/self contained story, instead of a galactic war.

It is not the scale of the conflict that makes this a challenge. The next ME will have to have a smaller/self contained regardless of whch ending. The problem with a synthesis is it creates Utopia. In a synthesized universe it is not so much what kind of conflicts in as much as it is what conflict?

just because Synthesis solves the problem of organics vs synthetics (on the whole), it doesn't mean that certain people/factions don't have theirs differences. It's a utopia in the sense that all life in the galaxy is not threatened with extinction due to the organic/synthetic conflict. It's not like it does away with warlords or crime bosses or evil shadow corporations/syndicates.

It's a utopia for the big picture. There's still possibilities for small-scale conflict.

Its Utopic in that:
->Everyone gets along. No one is concerned their once enemies are helping rebuild, everyone simply expects it. 
->No organic vs synthetics problem, completely fixed.
->The Krogan seem to rebuild even if wreav is in charge and the genophage is cured.
->You literally gain all the knowledge of all harvested civilizations
->According to EDI they may overcome life and death

none of these negates the possibility of conflict in the future

Without having contrived situations? You have the reapers helping, and the knowledge of all the previous cycles

Modifié par Epic777, 01 août 2013 - 10:14 .

[ShepnTali]

Doesn't it mainly come down to free will? Can feelings, emotions, and desires override knowledge?