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[Volus Warlord]

Nay.

I don't see DA:I or EA as being season pass worthy.

[Fast Jimmy]

Filament wrote...

Only if they guarantee the specified amount of content the pass would provide... they have a habit of canceling DLC plans that makes me wary otherwise.

See, I think the biggest mistake developers have with the Season Pass model is promise exact content or a certain number of releases. 

I think Bioware's smartest move would just have an unrestricted discount pass available for $10 and/or possibly free with pre-orders. That way, they don't have to sell a certain set of goods months (or even a year) before it could be debuted. 

[Fast Jimmy]

Beerfish wrote...

So I assume a seasons pass is that you pay up front and get all dlc for a calendar year or other specified period of time?

It can vary between getting all DLC for free, or at a discount. I think the discount method would be best for Bioware.

[Volus Warlord]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Filament wrote...

Only if they guarantee the specified amount of content the pass would provide... they have a habit of canceling DLC plans that makes me wary otherwise.

See, I think the biggest mistake developers have with the Season Pass model is promise exact content or a certain number of releases. 

I think Bioware's smartest move would just have an unrestricted discount pass available for $10 and/or possibly free with pre-orders. That way, they don't have to sell a certain set of goods months (or even a year) before it could be debuted. 

Buy a DLC so that you can buy other dlc's? Sounds like snake oil to me.

[Plaintiff]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Nay.

I don't see DA:I or EA as being season pass worthy.

Good news. You don't have to buy a season pass if you don't want to.

[o Ventus]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Buy a DLC so that you can buy other dlc's? Sounds like snake oil to me.

Do you actually know how season passes work?

[Asch Lavigne]

Don't care either way. I never and will never prepay for something when I have no idea what it is. Also, I have never been interested in every piece of DLC for any game, even ones I loved.

[Volus Warlord]

Plaintiff wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Nay.

I don't see DA:I or EA as being season pass worthy.

Good news. You don't have to buy a season pass if you don't want to.

Plaintiff,  shove it.  

The question is not whether I want it or not, it's whether or not I think it's a good idea. I think it is a bad idea.

Good try with the classic "optional content" defense with something that will probably not even be content.

[Volus Warlord]

o Ventus wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Buy a DLC so that you can buy other dlc's? Sounds like snake oil to me.

Do you actually know how season passes work?

I've only ever bought ONE  season pass because in general I do not feel games justify a season pass.

The concept is I pay a sum up front now, and get stuff FREE later.

Not buy potential partial rebates if you find DLCs desirable. 

[o Ventus]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Don't care either way. I never and will never prepay for something when I have no idea what it is.

You can still buy the season pass after the DLC comes out.

[Plaintiff]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Nay.

I don't see DA:I or EA as being season pass worthy.

Good news. You don't have to buy a season pass if you don't want to.

Plaintiff,  shove it.  

The question is not whether I want it or not, it's whether or not I think it's a good idea. I think it is a bad idea.

Good try with the classic "optional content" defense with something that will probably not even be content.

Rude much?

That is not at all the sentiment that is expressed when one declares a game company to be "unworthy" of being allowed to issue a season pass.

[Volus Warlord]

Plaintiff wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Nay.

I don't see DA:I or EA as being season pass worthy.

Good news. You don't have to buy a season pass if you don't want to.

Plaintiff,  shove it.  

The question is not whether I want it or not, it's whether or not I think it's a good idea. I think it is a bad idea.

Good try with the classic "optional content" defense with something that will probably not even be content.

Rude much?

That is not at all the sentiment that is expressed when one declares a game company to be "unworthy" of being allowed to issue a season pass.

Man, you are funny. 

And you have a knack for interpretation. You make it sound as if I consider season passes to be some sort of high ideal.  How about a more forward phrasing so that you can sufficiently understand it:

I do not trust EA or Bioware or the Dragon Age team enough to purchase a season pass. I also believe it would be that a Season pass for Dragon Age: Inquisition would be a bad idea.

[o Ventus]

Volus Warlord wrote...

I've only ever bought ONE  season pass because in general I do not feel games justify a season pass.

The concept is I pay a sum up front now, and get stuff FREE later.

Not buy potential partial rebates if you find DLCs desirable. 

The concept has NEVER been "pay now, get free stuff later". Some of them might include little perks like character skins, but nothing substantial. It's a pre-order for the DLCs in a bundle, for less money than if you buy them individually. The fact that you PAID for the pass means you aren't getting "free" things.

For example, Mortal Kombat has a season pass that covers 4 DLC characters. Individually, the characters cost $5 per character. The season pass is $15, or the price of 3 characters. You're buying the 4 DLCs as a bundle, at a discounted price.

Hell, you don't even need to buy the season pass before the game comes out. You can wait as long as you want. Mortal Kombat, Borderlands 2, and Gears of War 3 all have season passes (with all the applicable DLCs released), and the passes for those games can still be purchased. 

There's literally no downside to this.

Modifié par o Ventus, 02 août 2013 - 01:18 .

[Plaintiff]

Volus Warlord wrote...
Man, you are funny.

I know.

And you have a knack for interpretation. You make it sound as if I consider season passes to be some sort of high ideal.  How about a more forward phrasing so that you can sufficiently understand it:

Yes, using words that express what you actually mean is generally a good idea.

[Volus Warlord]

Plaintiff wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
Man, you are funny.

I know.

And you have a knack for interpretation. You make it sound as if I consider season passes to be some sort of high ideal.  How about a more forward phrasing so that you can sufficiently understand it:

Yes, using words that express what you actually mean is generally a good idea.

Well, not all of us can create such ingenious, original, and complex statements such as "platonic sex."

The rest of us have to settle for our lesser command of the English language. 

[Enigmatick]

o Ventus wrote...

There's literally no downside to this.

Borderlands 2 makes DLC that some consider to be quite important excluded from the season pass. The problem with most season passes is whether or not the publisher is clear what DLCs the season pass will include, as the common assumption is "Buy this, get all upcoming DLC for this game".

[Herky]

I'd buy one!

Though I don't like how one of the DLC's for Bioshock Infinite was a bunch of challenge maps instead of a story DLC, but I guess that's my fault for giving them my money without knowing what I paid them for.

[Brockololly]

I'll give credit to EA where credit is due, as DICE and Battlefield 3's season pass with Battlefield Premium has been fantastic. In terms of content and how they laid out what they were doing in advance and putting the content out on a regular schedule, they did a fantastic job.

Would I want a Season Pass out of DA3? Maybe? If it meant no Day 1 DLC (beyond maybe cosmetic gear), then I'd be all for it. As I recall with Battlefield 3, if you preordered you got the first DLC map pack/expansion for free but that came out about 1 or 2 months post release. So if BioWare outlined 3 or 4 DLC expansions/modules up front and outlined what they'd entail, I'd be ok with that as opposed to their current DLC plans of just tossing in a companion as Day 1 DLC and then having a scattershot smattering of post release DLC packs of varying quality.

[Plaintiff]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
Man, you are funny.

I know.

And you have a knack for interpretation. You make it sound as if I consider season passes to be some sort of high ideal.  How about a more forward phrasing so that you can sufficiently understand it:

Yes, using words that express what you actually mean is generally a good idea.

Well, not all of us can create such ingenious, original, and complex statements such as "platonic sex."

The rest of us have to settle for our lesser command of the English language.

Why are you dragging up semantic arguments from an unrelated debate, that do not even counter the point I made in the debate where they were relevant?

[Fast Jimmy]

Filament wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

See, I think the biggest mistake developers have with the Season Pass model is promise exact content or a certain number of releases.

Kinda like an episodic format...? :innocent: I mean, you can't sell an episode 1 without the expectation of an episode 2...

Not necessarily. You could just be buying a discount for all future DLC. It would not need to even be neccessarily related. 

I think Bioware's smartest move would just have an unrestricted discount pass available for $10 and/or possibly free with pre-orders. That way, they don't have to sell a certain set of goods months (or even a year) before it could be debuted. 

I dunno, paying money for a discount sounds like Steam, except crap. Free with pre-orders (or buying new), maybe.

I think that would be a lot less attractive than a pass that actually did guarantee content, personally.

Well, except DLC rarely goes on sale. And, instead of having to watch for Steam sales, you wouldn't need to watch for the price to drop, but would just know it would get X% of a discount. 

I think this would put the developer in much less of a pigeon hole, where they cannot change course on what DLC they want to create of how to address fan requests. If Bioware promised three specific pieces of DLC for DA:I six months before release, they could not change their mind on those bits of DLC, even if they come out a year later. 

In addition, gamers don't get their hopes up about "Alien Invasion" DLC that never materializes. In addition, a developer can make as much DLC as they please to meet their own ends and objectives, not be beholden to a set amount by the pass. Also, a developer may feel afraid to develop any content after the promised Season Pass amount, where the loyal fans may have to start paying again, which might kill sales. 

In a discount model, however, the more DLC made, the more savings the player gains. A fourth, fifth and sixth DLC will just result in being able to get all of this content for ~$40 instead of $60. In addition, the $10 buy in is much less steep than the $2" or more dollars many developers ask for Season Passes currently. 

Overall, I think it a better model for all involved and would be much less likely for disappointment for fan and developer both. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 02 août 2013 - 01:27 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Enigmatick wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

There's literally no downside to this.

Borderlands 2 makes DLC that some consider to be quite important excluded from the season pass. The problem with most season passes is whether or not the publisher is clear what DLCs the season pass will include, as the common assumption is "Buy this, get all upcoming DLC for this game".

Which is why specifying certain content, while promising other content, is a dangerous road and leans to a much better model for a cheaper Season Pass that gives a discount only that is carte Blanche for any DLC on the entire product. 

Just my opinion. 

[Volus Warlord]

o Ventus wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

I've only ever bought ONE  season pass because in general I do not feel games justify a season pass.

The concept is I pay a sum up front now, and get stuff FREE later.

Not buy potential partial rebates if you find DLCs desirable. 

The concept has NEVER been "pay now, get free stuff later". Some of them might include little perks like character skins, but nothing substantial. It's a pre-order for the DLCs in a bundle, for less money than if you buy them individually. The fact that you PAID for the pass means you aren't getting "free" things.

For example, Mortal Kombat has a season pass that covers 4 DLC characters. Individually, the characters cost $5 per character. The season pass is $15, or the price of 3 characters. You're buying the 4 DLCs as a bundle, at a discounted price.

Hell, you don't even need to buy the season pass before the game comes out. You can wait as long as you want. Mortal Kombat, Borderlands 2, and Gears of War 3 all have season passes (with all the applicable DLCs released), and the passes for those games can still be purchased. 

There's literally no downside to this.

And /FACEPALM

Pay now, don't pay when you get the DLCs. My bad!

First off, the season pass DOES have downsides. 

It will be pushed heavily off the bat, when no one knows how much DLC or how good the DLC's are. Essentially, they will be (more often than not) a blind investment.

The season passes might only be availible for a limited time. That has been done before as well. 

The season pass might not save you money.  The DLCs may be worth exactly the total of-or LESS than-the value of a season pass. 

The lines are extremely arbitrary as to what is included in the season pass and what is not.

So, for the season pass to be a good idea, I have to ASSUME:
1.) There will be numerous DLCs
2.) I will like most or all of the related DLC
3.) The DLC I want will be covered by the season pass
4.) The developer/publisher will take care of me in some way if they fail to live up to season pass promises
5.) The developer/publisher will be relatively straightforward in their dealings with the season pass

And those are frankly several very big assumptions to makie. Basically you are paying the publisher to hold you by the balls and hoping for the best. 

I say nay to season passes.