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[AngryFrozenWater]

I think it is best to not buy a season pass. That allows one to decide what to buy on a per DLC basis. That may also cause the company to produce better DLCs: If the DLCs are already sold in advance using a season pass then there is really no incentive to produce the best DLCs possible.

[billy the squid]

No it shouldn't have one. 

The rise of the season pass throws several issues into light.

the concept of pay now and we may give you DLC which is worth the money, comes to the fore. If it's not a DLC you like or is worth it. Like BL2, Sir Hammerlock's big game Hunt, which is crap, you can't opt oput of it and select another DLC later, no, it's only the first 4 so you are effectively screwed. 

Based on the amount of season pass uptakers the company gets, it may very well inform them as to how much effort they have to put into the development, they already have your money, so who cares if they produce a pile of rubbish. Nothing you can do about it. 

Pile into that, you can only play the game with others who have the DLC, and it quickly becomes apparant season passes are a way of twisting people's arms into paying money upfront 3/4 months before one actually see's any return on what was paid. 

And the argument of, well you can buy it after the DLC is released or it's optional, anyone using it needs their head examined and the tumble weeds removed. The question isn't well it's optional so it's okay, the question is, is it a good idea in the first place. Particularly as the GOTYE is called into question as the season pass exists, and individual DLC prices are rarely reduced outside of Steam, GoG etc. The complacency has allowed the likes of MSFT to try and inmplement it's previous policies, and I'd be unsurprised if the GOTYE, system, which was great value, BF3 premium is a good example, carries on declining on consoles. 

Modifié par billy the squid, 02 août 2013 - 12:13 .

[Plaintiff]

Vort3xX wrote...

No seasons pass should not exist in any game, why would anyone pre buy dlc's of all things and beg for it, yes you save some money but you have no guarantee that they'll even be worthwhile and considering the quality of most dlc's it's just not good in any way, seems like a waste of money more than anything else or are we talking buying it if most dlc's are already out ?.

There is no guarantee that any purchase you ever make will be "worthwhile".

[billy the squid]

Plaintiff wrote...

Vort3xX wrote...

No seasons pass should not exist in any game, why would anyone pre buy dlc's of all things and beg for it, yes you save some money but you have no guarantee that they'll even be worthwhile and considering the quality of most dlc's it's just not good in any way, seems like a waste of money more than anything else or are we talking buying it if most dlc's are already out ?.

There is no guarantee that any purchase you ever make will be "worthwhile".

I don't make purchases 4 months in advance of any information either. 

[Vapaa]

billy the squid wrote...

I don't make purchases 4 months in advance of any information either.

I bought B2'season pass a month ago during Greengaming sales

Some people already said that but here we go again: YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT BEFORE THE RELEASE OF THE DLCS

Modifié par Vapaä, 02 août 2013 - 12:30 .

[Wulfram]

I probably wouldn't buy it. But then I've only ever bought 1 Bioware DLC anyway.

[Fast Jimmy]

I can see scenarios where a discount pass might provide more value or options in an objective sense than a more typical season pass. (though the options part seems to vanish in the case that a season pass can be purchased at any time)

Well, in the ideal Fast Jimmy model of the Discount Season Pass, it would be an unrestricted on any and all DLC that would be releases and, ideally, be free with pre-orders or perhaps Collector's Editions. That way, you are rewarding players to get in "at the ground floor" of the game and be invested in the full suite of DLC that comes out to get the maximum return on their discount.

On the other hand, no one is handcuffed to any particular DLC. If you think Omega looked stupid, you don't have to utilize your discount. Similarly, you don't have to make your decision the day the DLC released (or, with the current model, beforehand), but can wait for reviews and see if it is worth your $5 (instead of your $10).

And just like it doesn't handicap the player, it neither handicaps the developer to make a certain type of DLC if plans change or the scope becomes much different than anticipated. But, at the same time, it could greatly enhance pre-orders/CE sales, it would increase DLC penetration rates (which could be good for the writing team in future installments) and it would result in a larger stream of steady revenue over the course of DLC development, instead of the sharp drop offs seen with each DLC release in relation to time from the original release date.

I'd argue that with a Fast Jimmy Season Pass, Bioware could actually have successfully delivered on the promised "two years of DLC support for DA:O" by virtue of the fact that you'd have a corp of players who would be picking up your DLC regardless just to use their discount.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 02 août 2013 - 12:39 .

[billy the squid]

Vapaä wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

I don't make purchases 4 months in advance of any information either.

I bought B2'season pass a month ago during Greengaming sales

Some people already said it but here we go again: YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT BEFORE THE RELEASE OF THE DLCS

As I said people are soft in the head for using that argument. If you want to play DLC on release and pay more, you pay individually or you pay everything upfront with no indication as to quality months down the line, based on their selection of what is included. Or you have to wait 4/5 months or more and then pick it up. 

Not to mention the issue of pricing, later releases, mediocre development.

It was the same argument of it's optional, that stupid people used for the X1 "well you/ everyone is connected to the internet most of the time anyway" It's not the point, which people are too obtuse to recognise.

Modifié par billy the squid, 02 août 2013 - 12:53 .

[Vapaa]

billy the squid wrote...

If you want to play DLC on release and pay more, you pay individually or you pay everything upfront with no indication as to quality months down the line,

If you want to play DLC on release, then you pay only for the DLC you want to play on release, simple

[redBadger14]

Enigmatick wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

There's literally no downside to this.

Borderlands 2 makes DLC that some consider to be quite important excluded from the season pass. The problem with most season passes is whether or not the publisher is clear what DLCs the season pass will include, as the common assumption is "Buy this, get all upcoming DLC for this game".

The funny thing with that though is Gearbox was pretty clear which DLC's would not be included in the Season Pass from the get go. Story-based DLC was what would be included, not characters or an arena. They even threw in UVHM, and that wasn't planned to be part of it. The fact that people kept complaining or kept asking just shows a lack of reading comprehension, and the fact that people got upset over it was absurd.

Season Pass for DA:I I can't exactly justify though. Games like Battlefield 3, Borderlands 2, CoD and L.A. Noire did passes very well. I think I agree with Volus though that there are a lot of games where Season Passes aren't so great, because of how unknown the DLC will be. BF3, BL2, CoD, and L.A. Noire were fortunate that, once the DLC's were released, they were pretty good. Buying the Season Pass gave you around a $10 discount on the DLC's included, and all the DLC's people knew were good going in. Or in CoD's case, you pretty much know what you're getting anyway. And that's the issue, that we never really know whether it's a good deal until the DLC's have all released. Borderlands 2's Season Pass I hadn't bought until the UVHM pack came out. At that point, I knew Tiny Tina's DLC was coming (which was amazing and the best of all the DLC's), and sure Hammerlock's Hunt kinda sucks, but the raid boss and gear is nice, and everything else is good enough where I can slightly forgive it.

What's the problem with DLC with Dragon Age? Only a few of them were particularly good, and Exalted Marches was canned before it saw any light. Yeah there were a lot of Origins DLC, but Return to Ostagar kept getting delayed, Warden's Keep is buggy, Darkspawn Chronicles and Leliana's Song are practically worthless for what you pay for them, etc. Awakening was great, Witch Hunt was great for Morrigan fans and closure for the Warden, Amgarrak was a decent challenge, etc. DA2's DLC were both okay, MotA being the better of the two, but both were very buggy (including the full game at the time), and we also got those item packs which were not worth the price, aside from the weapons that leveled with you.

I disagree with Volus in that I haven't heard of a Season Pass in recent memory that expired, but if there is one that has that I don't know about, I would certainly then concur with that notion.

So, a Season Pass for Dragon Age: Inquisition would be fantastic if the DLC plan laid down is concrete, both for scheduling, the kind of content we'll be getting, the price, and the quality, all of which we have not seen from Dragon Age yet. Unfortunately, we won't see it until the game and all it's DLC is released. For now, no, a Season Pass is not for Dragon Age: Inquisition.

Modifié par redBadger14, 02 août 2013 - 12:55 .

[billy the squid]

Vapaä wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

If you want to play DLC on release and pay more, you pay individually or you pay everything upfront with no indication as to quality months down the line,

If you want to play DLC on release, then you pay only for the DLC you want to play on release, simple

And you pay more for it, because as long as the season pass exists you will never see reductions in DLC prices outside of rare sales, because hey, buy a season pass.

Do I really have to point out the obvious.

Edit:

Add, bugs which you get stuck with, mediocre development, rushed concepts, unknown quality, and splitting the playerbase between those that have DLC and those that don't.

But yeah, it's optional Pfffffffffffffffffft.

Modifié par billy the squid, 02 août 2013 - 12:55 .

[Wulfram]

billy the squid wrote...

And you pay more for it, because as long as the season pass exists you will never see reductions in DLC prices outside of rare sales, because hey, buy a season pass.

Well, we never see reductions in Bioware DLC prices anyway.

[Vapaa]

billy the squid wrote...

And you pay more for it,

You pay the intended price for the DLC, playing on day one is not really aiming for saving money

billy the squid wrote...

because as long as the season pass exists you will never see reductions in DLC prices outside of rare sales, because hey, buy a season pass.

That's also true without  season pass

And when there is a sale, it's generally the entire franchise, so you'll have the game, DLCs and season pass as well

Modifié par Vapaä, 02 août 2013 - 12:58 .

[Vapaa]

billy the squid wrote...

Add, bugs which you get stuck with, mediocre development, rushed concepts, unknown quality, and splitting the playerbase between those that have DLC and those that don't.

But yeah, it's optional Pfffffffffffffffffft.

You're complaining about the DLC themselves, not the season pass

[billy the squid]

Wulfram wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

And you pay more for it, because as long as the season pass exists you will never see reductions in DLC prices outside of rare sales, because hey, buy a season pass.

Well, we never see reductions in Bioware DLC prices anyway.

I think that's more an issue of EA trying to squeeze every penny from people, origin is a good example, in comparison to steam sales. That and MSFT compared to Sony. But season passes, give no incentive for publishers and platform holders to make sales, because the concept of a season pass exists. 

[Fast Jimmy]

And you pay more for it, because as long as the season pass exists you will never see reductions in DLC prices outside of rare sales, because hey, buy a season pass.

Do you usually see DLC prices drop or go on sale?

I'm asking as a serious question. As a console gamer who doesn't usually even mess with online functions or markets, I was under the impression most DLC price points remain very static.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 02 août 2013 - 01:20 .

[billy the squid]

Vapaä wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

And you pay more for it,

You pay the intended price for the DLC, playing on day one is not really aiming for saving money

billy the squid wrote...

because as long as the season pass exists you will never see reductions in DLC prices outside of rare sales, because hey, buy a season pass.

That's also true without  season pass

And when there is a sale, it's generally the entire franchise, so you'll have the game, DLCs and season pass as well

And when were any of the DLC's placed on sale on the Xbox or Origin before the announcment of the next gen? They weren't, not individually. 

[Wulfram]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Do you usually see DLC prices drop or go on sale?

I'm asking as a serious question. As a console gamer who doesn't hsulymeven mess with online functions or markets, I was under the impression most DLC price points remain very static.

Well, Steam, for example, often puts the DLC on sale along with the base game, whereas Bioware never puts the PC DLC on sale.  But the base price is usually static I think.

Modifié par Wulfram, 02 août 2013 - 01:10 .

[Vort3xX]

Plaintiff wrote...

Vort3xX wrote...

No seasons pass should not exist in any game, why would anyone pre buy dlc's of all things and beg for it, yes you save some money but you have no guarantee that they'll even be worthwhile and considering the quality of most dlc's it's just not good in any way, seems like a waste of money more than anything else or are we talking buying it if most dlc's are already out ?.

There is no guarantee that any purchase you ever make will be "worthwhile".

Ofc but why rush into buying when you can wait for a while to get a better opinion of it rather than buy it blind and then more likely to be disappointed in it since you had nothing to judge it by, sure it's up to each person but it doesn't seem like it's the best way to go, most dlc''s isn't exactly necessary to enjoy the game imo.

[addiction21]

Wulfram wrote...

Well, Steam, for example, often puts the DLC on sale along with the base game, whereas Bioware never puts the PC DLC on sale.  But the base price is usually static I think.

For the most part you are true.  Finding DLC on sale anytime soon after its release is a rare thing and usually tied to some special occasion. Like right now you can find a lot of Bethesda DLCs on sale for their Quakecon deals.

DLC dropping in base price (if it ever does) comes years later or after a "Game of the year" is released that incorporates it all.

[Fast Jimmy]

^

<or you could get it all on a piece-by-piece discount like Fast Jimmy was promoting with his idea! That guy sounds like he's got a good idea there!>

Who said that?

[Paul E Dangerously]

I really wish they'd take the Bethesda/Obsidian approach to DLC - only a few, but much more substantial.

[Allan Schumacher]

billy the squid wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Hey Plaintiff, Volus Warlord. Cut it out and return to your own corners. Friend each other and take it to PM if you want to continue bickering.

Hahahaha Hahaha. And that's why the current PM system is a pile of crap. Mods want less sniping and fighting on the forums, then change it back. 

What was the phrase on the ME3 MP forums from posters? "Guys, take it to PMs"

Lets be honest, no one takes it to PMs.  They love the audience too much.

It just means that if people are going to insist on continuing to act like that, they're going to get timeouts.

[AresKeith]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Hey Plaintiff, Volus Warlord. Cut it out and return to your own corners. Friend each other and take it to PM if you want to continue bickering.

Hahahaha Hahaha. And that's why the current PM system is a pile of crap. Mods want less sniping and fighting on the forums, then change it back. 

What was the phrase on the ME3 MP forums from posters? "Guys, take it to PMs"

Lets be honest, no one takes it to PMs.  They love the audience too much.

It just means that if people are going to insist on continuing to act like that, they're going to get timeouts.

And the popcorn business is booming lol

But the new PM system is bad

[billy the squid]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Hey Plaintiff, Volus Warlord. Cut it out and return to your own corners. Friend each other and take it to PM if you want to continue bickering.

Hahahaha Hahaha. And that's why the current PM system is a pile of crap. Mods want less sniping and fighting on the forums, then change it back. 

What was the phrase on the ME3 MP forums from posters? "Guys, take it to PMs"

Lets be honest, no one takes it to PMs.  They love the audience too much.

It just means that if people are going to insist on continuing to act like that, they're going to get timeouts.

Well it actually worked within the MP forums. That and you would have throwdown threads, challenging people to beat one another on an excercise bike and all sorts of silliness, put your money where your mouth is kind of thing. 

What happened?

Well apparantly you can't call people out, because it's aggressive and confrontational. Making such threads are considered spam. Hence bans and thread deletions for no apparant reason. Effectively we're all expected to get along and not compete with one another, a rainbow coallition. Which is why the ME3 mp forums are largely the realm of asinine rubbish now. 

As to PM's, having a tangent conversation, which isn't part of the OP topic, are taken to PMs, having a sniping match isn't and saying friend eachother doesn't change it. Problem being, you're making more work for yourselves by having to moderate both kinds of off topic discussions, even if the former is actually notable, it tends to get dragged into the derailment.

Modifié par billy the squid, 02 août 2013 - 04:02 .