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[teh DRUMPf!!]

Reorte wrote...

That's a cop-out answer, just saying "well, they're different." If you don't argue your case then you've not got a case.

No, I'm saying: they're the same. We all choose what we see as the best/least-bad option.

I'm not here to make a case for what I chose. No one has asked for it.

I'm here to show people that those who choose Sync are no different than those choosing anything else, save for different ideas on what constitutes "best" and "worst." I'm also here to show people who think anything is "right," "wrong," or "atrocious" that they're opinions are merely subjective and as such not valid to those who don't share those views.

Same ish, different toilet. He was invoking Godwin, you're damning people to hell. Mad dogs are all the same.

And is it impossible that some things deserve that treatment? How much do you shrug off with "Well, it's just a different opinion"?

I accept anything that makes sense, whether I agree or not.

I've asessed Sync as a valid solution.

Ditto that the other two, in fact, just to a lesser extent. Only Refuse is truly nonsense to me.

The best defense is a good offense, and special-teams.

I think that's slightly tongue-in-cheek but anyway... Whilst that may be true militarily it isn't when it comes to debate.  The first thing it says to me is that this person is either unwilling or unable to defend their position, and if I don't agree with it anyway it's not going to make me view it as any better.

Again, my position is not to defend. It is to point out double-standards and arbitrary constructs, among other things.

[Iakus]

ioannisdenton wrote...

From i Me1 i knew that shepard eventually was going to die, it just does not add up that shepard managed to live after all that adventure of his.

Heroes in books, movies, tv shows and yes video games survive improbable odds all the freaking time!

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

iakus wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

From i Me1 i knew that shepard eventually was going to die, it just does not add up that shepard managed to live after all that adventure of his.

Heroes in books, movies, tv shows and yes video games survive improbable odds all the freaking time!

Davey needs to show up and scold these silly people!

We all know that you can win the day using only HEROISM and your female allies skimpy CHARACTERIZATION!

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

iakus wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

From i Me1 i knew that shepard eventually was going to die, it just does not add up that shepard managed to live after all that adventure of his.

Heroes in books, movies, tv shows and yes video games survive improbable odds all the freaking time!

Davey needs to show up and scold these silly people!

Why would he? thinks that the hero falling from space onto a planet and remaining intact makes sense.

[David7204]

I've yet to hear anything convincing explaining why it doesn't 'make sense.'

[Wayning_Star]

Arcian wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

uh, morals have little to nothing to do with evolution...do they?

You should probably look up the definition of evolution before you talk. Synthesis is not a form of evolution.

then, what is synthesis, in relation to evolution?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

David7204 wrote...

I've yet to hear anything convincing explaining why it doesn't 'make sense.'

That's because you ignore every argument (especially the ones that use SCIENCE! the least HEROIC field of study)

It's so thrilling to watch you make a fool of yourself.

[David7204]

You are an incredibly tedious person.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

David7204 wrote...

You are an incredibly tedious person.

And you're smexy when you get dismissive!

[Wayning_Star]

iakus wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

From i Me1 i knew that shepard eventually was going to die, it just does not add up that shepard managed to live after all that adventure of his.

Heroes in books, movies, tv shows and yes video games survive improbable odds all the freaking time!

s'funny you mention that, considering current events and/in real time, how non descript folks survive intimidating odds all the time, with technologically advances in say... medicine.

resuscitate takes on a whole new meaning and that reality alters evolution, even though directly related to evolution, and dreaded sapience. How do we know that medical ethics can be followed when our survival instincts are so strong?

[Wayning_Star]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You are an incredibly tedious person.

And you're smexy when you get dismissive!

oh no... evolution...

[Wayning_Star]

StreetMagic wrote...

This is the end point of idealism, more like. Not evolution. Some people will do anything to bring everybody together for "peace". If anyone was actually championing evolution, their coping mechanisms would be a lot more deadly and resilient. They'd solve problems in more practical ways. This is the equivalent of someone crying in a corner who can't deal with anything in life, and hoping for a miracle that solves it all in one fell swoop.

but technology is just that!!

(maybe..)

[David7204]

Things don't happen to people because they're in stories.

They're in stories because things happen to them.

If 999,999 people die in an attack and 1 survives, the story is probably going to be about that 1. That's not the least bit improbable at all.

[Wayning_Star]

David7204 wrote...

Things don't happen to people because they're in stories.

They're in stories because things happen to them.

If 999,999 people die in an attack and 1 survives, the story is probably going to be about that 1. That's not the least bit improbable at all.

so if a tree in the forest falls over without anyone/thing around to hear it.. noise is made?

[Ravensword]

Wayning_Star wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Things don't happen to people because they're in stories.

They're in stories because things happen to them.

If 999,999 people die in an attack and 1 survives, the story is probably going to be about that 1. That's not the least bit improbable at all.

so if a tree in the forest falls over without anyone/thing around to hear it.. noise is made?

Whoa! Ease up there, cowboy. You're gonna fry David's mind w/ that.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ravensword wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Things don't happen to people because they're in stories.

They're in stories because things happen to them.

If 999,999 people die in an attack and 1 survives, the story is probably going to be about that 1. That's not the least bit improbable at all.

so if a tree in the forest falls over without anyone/thing around to hear it.. noise is made?

Whoa! Ease up there, cowboy. You're gonna fry David's mind w/ that.

Davey will just dismiss it, trees aren't HEROIC enough to be considered.

And since they don't wear catsuits in a vacuum they can't have any meaningful CHARACTERIZATION either.

[Wayning_Star]

Ravensword wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Things don't happen to people because they're in stories.

They're in stories because things happen to them.

If 999,999 people die in an attack and 1 survives, the story is probably going to be about that 1. That's not the least bit improbable at all.

so if a tree in the forest falls over without anyone/thing around to hear it.. noise is made?

Whoa! Ease up there, cowboy. You're gonna fry David's mind w/ that.

well, the larger numbers were stated first, so I suppose that that tree did make a sound when It crashes to the ground..

but daves point is made about the stories about stuff, not stuff about stories.(unless we hate synthesis canon in ME..  )

[AlanC9]

Reorte wrote...
The Catalyst calls it the end point of evolution, or something similar. The only reasonably valid interpretation I can see of that is that it'll stop all evolutio, not implausible if it's interfering at the subcellular level and that interference can prevent mutation - no more cancer at any rate.

Or he's just speaking very imprecisely, and only means that the hybrids are the final "kingdom" to be created. Not animal, vegetable, protist, synthetic, etc. Something new, and the last physical type to evolve.

The final "evolution" would no doubt be into pure energy, but presubably that would be through directed action rather than evolution.

[Iakus]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

uh, morals have little to nothing to do with evolution...do they?

You should probably look up the definition of evolution before you talk. Synthesis is not a form of evolution.

then, what is synthesis, in relation to evolution?

Magic!  

[KaiserShep]

ioannisdenton wrote...

From i Me1 i knew that shepard eventually was going to die, it just does not add up that shepard managed to live after all that adventure of his.

Batman should've died hours into his caped crusading, and Indiana Jones should've died from some fatal infection in the middle of the jungle, yet they didn't. No one knew that Shepard was going to die since ME1, because no such foreshadowing existed.

[.50CalBrainSurgeon]

The hate primarily stems from how poorly it fit into the realm of the ME universe. It tried to stuff a transhumanist/pseudophilosophical ending into what was 99% a space opera by the use of an arrogant and logically flawed deus ex machina figure. Synthesis could not be taken seriously.

[Reorte]

AlanC9 wrote...

Reorte wrote...
The Catalyst calls it the end point of evolution, or something similar. The only reasonably valid interpretation I can see of that is that it'll stop all evolutio, not implausible if it's interfering at the subcellular level and that interference can prevent mutation - no more cancer at any rate.

Or he's just speaking very imprecisely, and only means that the hybrids are the final "kingdom" to be created. Not animal, vegetable, protist, synthetic, etc. Something new, and the last physical type to evolve.

The final "evolution" would no doubt be into pure energy, but presubably that would be through directed action rather than evolution.

I feel that that sort of interpretation is really pushing it a bit - it seems more like finding loopholes in what he said to make it sound less bad than it actually being what he likely meant (if something else was meant then why not say something else?) A more literal interpretation ties in with the EC scenes too.

The problem with accepting that sort of interpretation is that it can be applied to absolutely anything anyone says to the point where there's no point in actually listening to what anyone says.

[KaiserShep]

Speaking imprecisely when trying to make a case to solve a problem that apparently threatens all life in the galaxy seems like a bad idea. Too bad the Catalyst didn't learn how to speak properly in the millions of years it's been screwing about.

[GHNR]

KaiserShep wrote...

Speaking imprecisely when trying to make a case to solve a problem that apparently threatens all life in the galaxy seems like a bad idea. Too bad the Catalyst didn't learn how to speak properly in the millions of years it's been screwing about.

Well, it's not as if he's had much company to practice with over the past few billion years. All he probably has are the Keepers, and they're great conversationalists.