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[Bionuts]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Let's try a different approach:

Bionuts, are you willing to sacrifice narrative consistency, thematic consistency, biology, critical thinking, and a blind acceptance of concept based in mysticism (that has been completely discredited by science) for the sake of enacting Synthesis?

No, I don't think the ending, or much of ME3 makes sense. However, the writers of the game wanted to take advantage of the large audience and share personal ideas. This is the real reason auto-dialogue was so prevalent, and why renegade Shepard was toned down by a lot.

However, I have to work with what I have. I cannot change the ending, Shepard's pedophile dreams, or Liara's incessant prattling. It is what it is.

[Mr.House]

Changing everyons  dna against their will is not a "good" choice, more so when mind control is involved.

Modifié par Mr.House, 02 août 2013 - 01:24 .

[ShepnTali]

Bionuts wrote...

Shepard's pedophile dreams

That's just ridiculous.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Bionuts wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Let's try a different approach:

Bionuts, are you willing to sacrifice narrative consistency, thematic consistency, biology, critical thinking, and a blind acceptance of concept based in mysticism (that has been completely discredited by science) for the sake of enacting Synthesis?

However, I have to work with what I have. I cannot change the ending, Shepard's pedophile dreams, or Liara's incessant prattling. It is what it is.

I made a large edit; You might want to check it out. By the way, I was talking about acceptance of Synthesis with my points. All of them were aimed at pointing out errors in judgement on the Synthesis concept.

See, I can't. I need more. And what I have is very bad. So I reject it. I change it. I turn it into something that is mine.

I say "screw you BW, I reject your reality and substitute my own" with my own headcanon that I wrote, both broadly as something that is far more in line with the series thematically and narratively, and down to a personal end of ME3 for my Shepard that focuses more on my Shepard and his characterization; his opinions, beliefs, values, ideas, and his motivations for fighting. His goals.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 It has a few issues, but all of them do. I prefer it to the others, myself.

[ruggly]

Bionuts wrote...
Shepard's pedophile dreams

wat.

[Teddie Sage]

spirosz wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Your goal is to destroy them, not to listen to the Catalyst which works for the Reapers. If you do choose to control or to apply synthesis, you let the Reapers win. As simple as that.

Your goal is to stop them.  

To me, destroying them is the best solution. Shepard doesn't have to be Big Brother and doesn't force organics and synthetics to grow a new DNA. Synthetics can be rebuilt.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 02 août 2013 - 01:29 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 It has a few issues, but all of them do. I prefer it to the others, myself.

More than a few issues...

[AlexMBrennan]

Seems pretty good, but I've seen much hate for it.

First, let's start off with the easy bit: Synthesis is a solution for a threat which we have never heard of before we were told about it by the big bad, and does not guarantee that the big bad will stop killing us.

Then there is the tiny matter that it doesn't make any sense whatsoever - is every last bacterium now carrying around microchips? Is every single resistor now alive?

Beyond that, the problem is that the quote meant to convince us of synthesis' greatness is just meaningless gibberish ("Synthesis improves the physical nature of organics: now"; "technology is
inseparable from their physical being." - what does that even mean?).

Worse, the bits that make some sort of sense are not widely accepted - your argument is basically that two people who are different cannot ever get along, and we need to put them in a blender to make them all the same to cure their.... individuality?

Besides, we humans have been killing other humans for millennia (inventing religions and such when we needed an excuse to have a war) so what makes you think that synthesis would chicane anything?

[Artifex_Imperius]

YOU WANT THE TRUTH... Why Hate Green? YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!

pretty simple really!

1. SHEPARD DIES - My avatar canT die. "In this game I AM SHEPARD!" you can't KILL ME! - THIS IS MY STORY! and in this story I AM GOD! i choose what people can and cant do - i choose what happens when happens. O yeah!

2. REAPERS LIVE - Reapers have the last laugh! NO way Biatch! Harbinger is alive and he goes UNPUNISHED! for all the CRAP he said to you! HE NIDS SUM BIATCH SLAPPIN!

CONCLUSION : DONT DARE TOUCH " MY STORY !" ["MY"] EGO! o yeah!

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 02 août 2013 - 01:37 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 It has a few issues, but all of them do. I prefer it to the others, myself.

More than a few issues...

Strictly in-world, the only issue is that some people are going to be pissed off by the change.

Big whoop. Beggars can't be choosy.

[Steelcan]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 It has a few issues, but all of them do. I prefer it to the others, myself.

More than a few issues...

Strictly in-world, the only issue is that some people are going to be pissed off by the change.

Big whoop. Beggars can't be choosy.

.  Some people don't take kindly to being forcibly implanted with technology

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 It has a few issues, but all of them do. I prefer it to the others, myself.

More than a few issues...

Strictly in-world, the only issue is that some people are going to be pissed off by the change.

Big whoop. Beggars can't be choosy.

Strictly in-world, we still also have three other options that sound much better than synthesis.

Strictly in-world, the Catalyst still is vague on what synthesis accomplishes, and how it works is utterly ridiculous, even in world. How he explains it is utterly ridiculous. How he makes a definist and equivocation fallacy for the term synthetic is ridiculous. 

Strictly in-world, the Catalyst and I have separate perspectives based on different reasoning and logic. He might also have a flawed core hardware system or programming. Why is this execution of synthesis the pinnacle? The only way? The best way? Strictly in-world, I think we have 3 better options than Synthesis. Better, more perfect. Not perfect in and of themselves, with two of which I wouldn't choose anytime soon, but still better than synthesis.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 02 août 2013 - 01:44 .

[Bionuts]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Can you explain to me what "organic essence" and "life energy" is? Can you explain that to me scientifically and how it works by jumping into a beam which causes a chain reaction that alters all life on the molecular level, and why synthesis sounds good when that is clearly illogical and irrational?

Can you explain to me why the Catalyst makes an equivocation and definist fallacy when he describes the term "synthetic"?

Can you explain to how you think Synthesis is still desirable despite all of this? It's fine that you do, I have no problem with it: I'm asking you to explain and defend your opinion.

Synthesis doesn't make sense, but the story has it with a peaceful ending. I cannot change what's in the game, simply work with it.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Bionuts wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Can you explain to me what "organic essence" and "life energy" is? Can you explain that to me scientifically and how it works by jumping into a beam which causes a chain reaction that alters all life on the molecular level, and why synthesis sounds good when that is clearly illogical and irrational?

Can you explain to me why the Catalyst makes an equivocation and definist fallacy when he describes the term "synthetic"?

Can you explain to how you think Synthesis is still desirable despite all of this? It's fine that you do, I have no problem with it: I'm asking you to explain and defend your opinion.

Synthesis doesn't make sense, but the story has it with a peaceful ending. I cannot change what's in the game, simply work with it.

I need a lot more than "happy, peaceful ending" to actually see any merit to it. It kind of breaks my suspension of disbelief, thus breaking the story.

BTW, synthesis is so vaguely defined that I think everyone is happy and understanding because they now have been Reaperized.


It's utterly terrifying what I see from Synthesis.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 02 août 2013 - 01:51 .

[adayaday]

Bionuts wrote...


Synthesis doesn't make sense, but the story has it with a peaceful ending. I cannot change what's in the game, simply work with it.

Get MEHEM then.considering that Bioware wanted you to head canon the ending i see MEHEM as legit as any of the other endings.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Steelcan wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 It has a few issues, but all of them do. I prefer it to the others, myself.

More than a few issues...

Strictly in-world, the only issue is that some people are going to be pissed off by the change.

Big whoop. Beggars can't be choosy.

.  Some people don't take kindly to being forcibly implanted with technology

Well yeah, that would fall under the umbrella of "pissed off by the change."

Some people don't take kindly to: death, missed opportunities, living with the enemy... you could go on, with these options. Now take the worst of all three of them and combine it into one. That... is what happens if/when you do nothing.

To quote Renegade!Shepard: "I'm not going to sit on my ass just because the Council *somebody* doesn't want me to do anything."

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 02 août 2013 - 01:52 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 It has a few issues, but all of them do. I prefer it to the others, myself.

More than a few issues...

Strictly in-world, the only issue is that some people are going to be pissed off by the change.

Big whoop. Beggars can't be choosy.

.  Some people don't take kindly to being forcibly implanted with technology

Well yeah, that would fall under the umbrella of "pissed off by the change."

Somepeople don't take kindly to: death, missed opportunities, living with the enemy... you could go, with these options. Now take the worst of all three of them and combine it into one. That... is what happens if/when you do nothing.

To quote Renegade!Shepard: "I'm not going to sit on my ass just because the Council *somebody* doesn't want me to do anything."

I don't do nothing.

I destroy the Reapers. That solves everybody's problems.

[Andrew Lucas]

"You are welcome to return to Rannoch" -Geth Prime / This disproves that organics and synthetics couldnt live in piece.

[Steelcan]

JShepardN7 wrote...

"You are welcome to return to Rannoch" -Geth Prime / This disproves that organics and synthetics couldnt live in piece.

After it hold for a few centuries maybe.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I don't do nothing.

I destroy the Reapers. That solves everybody's problems.

I seem to remember you putting do-nothing (Refuse) over two do-somethings (non-Destroy).

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 02 août 2013 - 01:55 .

[Steelcan]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Well yeah, that would fall under the umbrella of "pissed off by the change."

Some people don't take kindly to: death, missed opportunities, living with the enemy... you could go on, with these options. Now take the worst of all three of them and combine it into one. That... is what happens if/when you do nothing.

To quote Renegade!Shepard: "I'm not going to sit on my ass just because the Council *somebody* doesn't want me to do anything."

.  I did something.  I blew the Reapers to Hell.

[Bionuts]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Seems pretty good, but I've seen much hate for it.

First, let's start off with the easy bit: Synthesis is a solution for a threat which we have never heard of before we were told about it by the big bad, and does not guarantee that the big bad will stop killing us.

Then there is the tiny matter that it doesn't make any sense whatsoever - is every last bacterium now carrying around microchips? Is every single resistor now alive?

Beyond that, the problem is that the quote meant to convince us of synthesis' greatness is just meaningless gibberish ("Synthesis improves the physical nature of organics: now"; "technology is
inseparable from their physical being." - what does that even mean?).

Worse, the bits that make some sort of sense are not widely accepted - your argument is basically that two people who are different cannot ever get along, and we need to put them in a blender to make them all the same to cure their.... individuality?

Besides, we humans have been killing other humans for millennia (inventing religions and such when we needed an excuse to have a war) so what makes you think that synthesis would chicane anything?

I'm thinking that the writers were going for the whole human cyborg deal. There should be benefits in that situation. Perhaps there aren't, but it seems like if the machines do gain understanding of organics, then it would help ease future conflict. It doesn't have to make sense, either. It's in the game. That's what it is.

No, it's that 2 people can't get along, so you help them understand each other's perspectives. The problem with synthesis is that we don't know which perspective(s) is being spread. The ending shows (from what I've heard) it to be peaceful. That's all I can take from it.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I don't do nothing.

I destroy the Reapers. That solves everybody's problems.

I seem to remember you putting do-nothing (Refuse) over two do-somethings (non-Destroy).

Yep. I chose not to act, because acting in the other two options was more terrifying and repulsive to me than simply doing nothing at all.