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[garrus and ashley squad]

 Might do another one of these but here it goes.

We all know about the geth and quarian war and how they got kicked off their planet by the geth. The question is who do you blame for it, and their continued hatred.

Geth-Do you blame the geth for not understanding that it would be hard for quarians to accept them as equals, and not coming up with a better alternitive. The geth did get influenced by the reapers and attacked colonist because of that. Maybe for reasons like this you would keep them controlled, and can understand why the quarians did what they did.

Quarians-  Had the geth as slaves. Also came down with martial law on them.

[Podge 90]

GEFF 4 EVA YO

[Tron Mega]

prolly the same person that is to blame for shooting admiral anderson.

Modifié par Tron Mega, 02 août 2013 - 02:17 .

[DeinonSlayer]

*sigh*
*retrieves stock response #248-B*

The Quarian government, acting in compliance with Council law on artificial intelligence, was responsible for the start of the conflict - they don't deny it - however, there are far too many people willing to overlook the atrocities the Geth committed in response.

This audience reaction was to be expected, really. ME3 did its damnedest to paint the Geth as hapless victims; to avoid mentioning previously-established facts in the lore casting the Geth in a negative light (such as exterminating 99% of the Quarian species (ME: Revelation), destroying the ancestral VI archives (ME1 codex), allowing the heretics to continue their attacks for TWO YEARS after the events of ME1 without so much as disowning them (ME2, though Shepard never gets to call them out for it), and killing anyone who entered their space, refusing all organic attempts at peaceful contact for centuries (ME: Revelation, ME1)), manipulating sympathies with the obvious intent of making people reluctant to choose Destroy at the end.

[AlexMBrennan]

Obviously the quarians are too blame - if their pre-emotive strike had been competently executed there wouldn't be a war. If they hadn't been blinded by fear (as the geth turned out far more advanced than they had intended) they might have considered whether open war was an option or even necessary.

Geth-Do you blame the geth for not understanding that it would be hard for quarians to accept them as equals, and not coming up with a better alternitive

That is a giant red herring - the geth being synthetics has nothing to do with it: the quarians got cared that they might be eclipsed by their creation, and decided that pre-emotive genocide was the best option. It would have been exactly the same if the geth had been a genetically engineered organic species (I.e. the krogan, except that the salerians didn't botch their genocide)

[garrus and ashley squad]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Welcome to Geth vs. Quarians Thread #4307b

Well I haven't been here in awhile and it is a game that has been going on for awhile. You're going to get a lot of these threads. Which is why I take breaks.

[Triforce Hermit]

Quarians are at fault for losing their home world, but the atrocities committed by the Geth after the Quarians fled are the Geth fault

[Steelcan]

I side with the ones who do not run to the Reapers.

[dreamgazer]

I blame fast-food and rap music.

[GreyLycanTrope]

I find the Quarians to largely be the architects of their own destruction, will side with Geth if it comes down to it.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 02 août 2013 - 03:31 .

[AresKeith]

I blame Mac

[CrutchCricket]

Both have made incredibly dumb decisions yet even at the peak of their stupidity, neither really deserve to die.

[AlexMBrennan]

but the atrocities committed by the Geth after the Quarians fled are the Geth fault

By "atrocities", you mean staying in beyond the veil and keeping to themselves until such a time that the quarians attacked them again in direct violation of Council ordinances?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

I side with the ones who do not run to the Reapers.

I side with the ones who run to the Reapers because, ironically enough, the Reapers are the ones not running to blindly destroy them (at least not yet).

[garrus and ashley squad]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

*sigh*
*retrieves stock response #248-B*

The Quarian government, acting in compliance with Council law on artificial intelligence, was responsible for the start of the conflict - they don't deny it - however, there are far too many people willing to overlook the atrocities the Geth committed in response.

This audience reaction was to be expected, really. ME3 did its damnedest to paint the Geth as hapless victims; to avoid mentioning previously-established facts in the lore casting the Geth in a negative light (such as exterminating 99% of the Quarian species (ME: Revelation), destroying the ancestral VI archives (ME1 codex), allowing the heretics to continue their attacks for TWO YEARS after the events of ME1 without so much as disowning them (ME2, though Shepard never gets to call them out for it), and killing anyone who entered their space, refusing all organic attempts at peaceful contact for centuries (ME: Revelation, ME1)), manipulating sympathies with the obvious intent of making people reluctant to choose Destroy at the end.

They did exterminate a lot of their species but had the chance to kill them all and decided to let them go. I don't think anyone would rush off to help organics, and stop the heratics attacks after dealing that type of history with them. Even if they did disagree with what the they were doing. I think it was explained on why they didn't want peace when you bring legion aboard. He said they weren't against it but would need more data, because when the quarians had the oppurtunity to eliminate them, they choose that route.

Modifié par garrus and ashley squad, 02 août 2013 - 03:57 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Greylycantrope wrote...

I find the Quarians to largely be the architects of their own destruction, will side with Geth if it comes down to it.

All of my arguments over the months, all of my opinions, all the hurt feelings and butthurt I've caused to a particular Quarian fan essentially boil down to this.

Also, I simply find the Geth have more utility in a fight. I'd rather have their high tech fleet and army.

[Argolas]

Steelcan wrote...

I side with the ones who do not run to the Reapers.

Brief and practical. I like it.

[Barquiel]

Quarians...or better: their leadership (the Quarians are like a toned down police state...the average Quarian didn't deserve to die ofc). The whole war, the geth's militant/violent isolationism for the past 300 years and their alliance with the reapers could have been avoided if the quarians didn't try to wipe them out. It is obvious that the Geth didn't trust organics because of the way the Quarians treated them.

[CronoDragoon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Both have made incredibly dumb decisions yet even at the peak of their stupidity, neither really deserve to die.

Pretty much how I feel.

[DeinonSlayer]

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

*sigh*
*retrieves stock response #248-B*

The Quarian government, acting in compliance with Council law on artificial intelligence, was responsible for the start of the conflict - they don't deny it - however, there are far too many people willing to overlook the atrocities the Geth committed in response.

This audience reaction was to be expected, really. ME3 did its damnedest to paint the Geth as hapless victims; to avoid mentioning previously-established facts in the lore casting the Geth in a negative light (such as exterminating 99% of the Quarian species (ME: Revelation), destroying the ancestral VI archives (ME1 codex), allowing the heretics to continue their attacks for TWO YEARS after the events of ME1 without so much as disowning them (ME2, though Shepard never gets to call them out for it), and killing anyone who entered their space, refusing all organic attempts at peaceful contact for centuries (ME: Revelation, ME1)), manipulating sympathies with the obvious intent of making people reluctant to choose Destroy at the end.

They did exterminate a lot of their species but had the chance to kill them all and decided to let them go.

That's the equivalent of pouring petrol into an ant nest, setting it on fire, then not bothering to squish a pair of worker ants as they flee. I've never understood those who think the Geth should be lauded for it - by their own admission, it was uncertainty over the ramifications (for them) of a total genocide, and not mercy, which made them cease pursuit of the fleeing survivors.

I don't think anyone would rush off to help organics, and stop the heratics attacks after dealing that type of history with them. Even if they did disagree with what the they were doing.

That doesn't excuse it. The species the heretics were attacking had never done anything to the geth (besides sending ambassadors whom the Geth killed on arrival).

They allowed the heretics to be their ambassador to the galaxy. Is it any surprise they have no allies to turn to?

I think it was explained on why they didn't want peace when you bring legion aboard. He said they weren't against it but would need more data, because when the quarians had the oppurtunity to eliminate them, they choose that route.

DoD tried that one time to deactivate Skynet. That comes out to 100%.

Evidently, generations spent not attacking them wasn't evidence enough. How they were supposed to think peace with the Geth was remotely possible in light of the Geth's actions is beyond me. It's like expecting Shepard to walk up to the Reapers and ask them nicely to give Earth back.

Bottom line, both sides contributed to the situation seen in ME3.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 02 août 2013 - 04:13 .

[CronoDragoon]

This is one of those idiot plots that could have been solved by a 20 second logical exchange between parties.

Geth: You are welcome to return to Rannoch. We don't consider it our home and only remain near it to maintain it for your eventual return.

Quarians: We really don't trust you. If you have no attachment to Rannoch leave the system so we can reinhabit it. We'd rather rebuild it ourselves.

Geth: Ok.

Done.

[LiivaTelnea]

I rather preserve someone living in hard punishment for their mistakes 291 years now.

Rather than someone I use AI Hacking on the battlefield to turn into a traitor to his own kind.


The Geth are machines, just tools, you do beep boop and they all become hostile again.
And I rather have a perfect mechanic than a doubtful machine which lacks laws of robotics.

[garrus and ashley squad]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

*sigh*
*retrieves stock response #248-B*

The Quarian government, acting in compliance with Council law on artificial intelligence, was responsible for the start of the conflict - they don't deny it - however, there are far too many people willing to overlook the atrocities the Geth committed in response.

This audience reaction was to be expected, really. ME3 did its damnedest to paint the Geth as hapless victims; to avoid mentioning previously-established facts in the lore casting the Geth in a negative light (such as exterminating 99% of the Quarian species (ME: Revelation), destroying the ancestral VI archives (ME1 codex), allowing the heretics to continue their attacks for TWO YEARS after the events of ME1 without so much as disowning them (ME2, though Shepard never gets to call them out for it), and killing anyone who entered their space, refusing all organic attempts at peaceful contact for centuries (ME: Revelation, ME1)), manipulating sympathies with the obvious intent of making people reluctant to choose Destroy at the end.

They did exterminate a lot of their species but had the chance to kill them all and decided to let them go.

That's the equivalent of pouring petrol into an ant nest, setting it on fire, then not bothering to squish a pair of worker ants as they flee. I've never understood those who think the Geth should be lauded for it - by their own admission, it was uncertainty over the ramifications (for them) of a total genocide, and not mercy, which made them cease pursuit of the fleeing survivors.

I don't think anyone would rush off to help organics, and stop the heratics attacks after dealing that type of history with them. Even if they did disagree with what the they were doing.

That doesn't excuse it. The species the heretics were attacking had never done anything to the geth (besides sending ambassadors whom the Geth killed on arrival).

They allowed the heretics to be their ambassador to the galaxy. Is it any surprise they have no allies to turn to?

I think it was explained on why they didn't want peace when you bring legion aboard. He said they weren't against it but would need more data, because when the quarians had the oppurtunity to eliminate them, they choose that route.

DoD tried that one time to deactivate Skynet. That comes out to 100%.

Evidently, generations spent not attacking them wasn't evidence enough. How they were supposed to think peace with the Geth was remotely possible in light of the Geth's actions is beyond me. It's like expecting Shepard to walk up to the Reapers and ask them nicely to give Earth back.

1. Even if it wasn't mercy it's more than the quarians would of done. If they had the chance they would of killed them all. Even after all that the geth still said they were open to the idea of bringing them back. They also helped the quarians get back on their feet if you save both of them. Which is probably a lot more than what the quarians would do. 

2. The species the heretics attacked did nothing to the geth but that doesn't mean the geth should save them out of the kindest of their hearts or hardware, whatever. They were not bothing them at the time. why bother with them, especially with that type of history. They may of let the hertics be their embassador but that would be with trusting them over organics. Who wouldn't trust them more after what the quarians have done. 

3. Just because they don't attack doesn't mean they are neccisarily friendly or peaceful. It's more you stay on your side of space I'll stay on mine. You would still need some type of interaction to be peaceful. That area was just unknown to them.

[DeinonSlayer]

garrus and ashley squad wrote...

1. Even if it wasn't mercy it's more than the quarians would of done. If they had the chance they would of killed them all. Even after all that the geth still said they were open to the idea of bringing them back. They also helped the quarians get back on their feet if you save both of them. Which is probably a lot more than what the quarians would do.

You've never done a Geth VI playthrough, have you?

Also, who is "they" when you refer to the Quarians? They aren't a monolithic gestalt entity. A big reason they never tried to take back the planet they're physiologically dependent on is multigenerational guilt over what their long-dead ancestors did to the Geth, according to dialogue in ME2.

Really, what needs to change is the Council laws on AI which compelled the Quarians to try to shut them down in the first place.

2. The species the heretics attacked did nothing to the geth but that doesn't mean the geth should save them out of the kindest of their hearts or hardware, whatever. They were not bothing them at the time. why bother with them, especially with that type of history. They may of let the hertics be their embassador but that would be with trusting them over organics. Who wouldn't trust them more after what the quarians have done.

I never cease to be amazed by what Geth apologists are willing to forgive. If you know your brother is going to go on a killing spree and do nothing to stop him, report him, or warn the target, that makes you (at best) an accessory to murder, if not an accomplice.

If you knowingly allow him to continue killing for years after he starts...?

3. Just because they don't attack doesn't mean they are neccisarily friendly or peaceful. It's more you stay on your side of space I'll stay on mine. You would still need some type of interaction to be peaceful. That area was just unknown to them.

Interaction which the Geth were actively rejecting by killing anyone who entered their space and ignoring all hails.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 02 août 2013 - 05:03 .