TheWerdna wrote...
Oh look, its this thread again.
It's funny how people post just to say that.
Who's to blame?
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#51
Posté 03 août 2013 - 02:18
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It's funny how people post just to say that.
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 02:25
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Argolas wrote...
First off, nobody ever *forced* the Geth to join the Reapers. They chose to and that's pure stupidity since they should have known that they are mere tools, the next to be killed once the Reapers are done with the rest of the galaxy.
They wouldn't have been killed, they'd have been uploaded into a Reaper.
And that's basically what they were trying to do with themselves anyway by building that Dyson Sphere.
OTOH, the quarians would have totally wiped them out of existence. Clearly they care more about living than free-will.
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 02:33
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killed....uploaded into a Reaper, who can tell the difference
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 02:34
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Steelcan wrote...
killed....uploaded into a Reaper, who can tell the difference
I bet that one colonist or Kelly in this pic can tell
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 02:40
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The Quarians shouldn't have kept closer tabs on the networking abilities of the Geth in the first place and limited the number of Geth that could network on the Hubs, and prevented the Hubs from networking. They shouldn't have built so many Geth to where they reached sentience at the level to where they refused to obey their shut down commands. So the Quarians were trying to deactivate the Geth. PS: there's a long thread -- at the time the Geth were considered appliances.
But the Quarians also needed a place to put their general population so that they wouldn't be dragging them around the galaxy during the reaper war. 1 reaper cutting off a mass relay would wipe out the entire race. There are only 17 million. That is hardly a high priority target on a planet, but it is in a fleet. So, given their situation and their new weaponry, going to war against the Geth was not a bad idea. They were winning. Then the a reaper showed up to help the Geth.
I help the Quarians win their war. I don't let Legion upload the code, and I shoot him three times.
But the Quarians also needed a place to put their general population so that they wouldn't be dragging them around the galaxy during the reaper war. 1 reaper cutting off a mass relay would wipe out the entire race. There are only 17 million. That is hardly a high priority target on a planet, but it is in a fleet. So, given their situation and their new weaponry, going to war against the Geth was not a bad idea. They were winning. Then the a reaper showed up to help the Geth.
I help the Quarians win their war. I don't let Legion upload the code, and I shoot him three times.
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 02:42
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That's just cold Julia, I shot him twice.
#57
Posté 03 août 2013 - 02:59
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I blame the kitten vids on Youtube.
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 04:15
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Meh... I wanted to murder the Quarians for attacking the Geth when they were preparing to help us against the Reapers... But when Legion mentions to uploading the Reaper Code. I wholeheartedly understand killing Legion and letting the Quarians wiping out the last remnants of the Geth. I can always rip out Han Gerrel's spine and beating his lifeless suit rat body with it after the war.
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 04:52
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garrus and ashley squad wrote...
TheWerdna wrote...
Oh look, its this thread again.
It's funny how people post just to say that.
Sorry if I was a bit rude there, but there have probably been over a hundred threads on this topic over the past year... guess I am super jaded now
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 04:57
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TheWerdna wrote...
garrus and ashley squad wrote...
TheWerdna wrote...
Oh look, its this thread again.
It's funny how people post just to say that.
Sorry if I was a bit rude there, but there have probably been over a hundred threads on this topic over the past year... guess I am super jaded now
Understandable, I just haven't been here in awhile so don't really know how many threads have been created, and do take breaks from the forums frequently.
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 04:59
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Galbrant wrote...
Meh... I wanted to murder the Quarians for attacking the Geth when they were preparing to help us against the Reapers... But when Legion mentions to uploading the Reaper Code. I wholeheartedly understand killing Legion and letting the Quarians wiping out the last remnants of the Geth. I can always rip out Han Gerrel's spine and beating his lifeless suit rat body with it after the war.
To bad we don't live long enough to do that.
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 07:05
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I blame the Quarians. But I save both races on Rannoch. Then I choose to rid the Universe of all synthetics.
... I'm an ****.
... I'm an ****.
#64
Posté 03 août 2013 - 07:14
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Gotta blame the Quarians for
A) Building a synthetic capable of doing what the Geth does
Picking a fight with it/Mistreating it with that 'A' in mind.
A) Building a synthetic capable of doing what the Geth does
Picking a fight with it/Mistreating it with that 'A' in mind.
#65
Posté 03 août 2013 - 08:41
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Steelcan wrote...
killed....uploaded into a Reaper, who can tell the difference
*propganda nonsense*
Heh... replying after readan just 1 line of post, did we? Cllllllassic!
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 09:03
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Both....the Geth and the Quarians overreacted during the Morning War. The Quarians freaked out when they couldn't shut their machines down and started destroying them. The Geth counter attack nearly resulted in genocide. Too bad they couldn't work together. A unified Geth/Quarian force without all the war losses and joint advances in technology would have been very formidable.
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 10:34
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Argolas wrote...
First off, nobody ever *forced* the Geth to join the Reapers. They chose to and that's pure stupidity since they should have known that they are mere tools, the next to be killed once the Reapers are done with the rest of the galaxy.
There are very strong arguments in favor of the attack. The Quarians needed Rannoch desperately because of the Reaper invasion. Many of their lifeships are old and not particulary fast or maneuverable. The Reapers attack the Migrant Fleet, the Quarians won't be able to fight neither flee. Only a planet could save them once the reapers attack since they don't bomb planets, instead attempt the slow harvest that does give people the chance to fight, run and hide. Also, once the civilians are safe on Rannoch, they can commit their full fleet to the effort, including their now armed lifeships instead of having to hold them back. I wouldn't support the war, but I can see strong arguments why many Quarians would.
Ugh.
Prior to the Reaper invasion of Rannoch, the Geth were constructing a Dyson Sphere that would serve as a massive server for the Geth consensus. Once the Quarians came along and destroyed it, the Geth were significantly weakened and at the mercy of their creators. The only alternative was to adopt Reaper technology in order to compensate for the inability to communicate and process information.
Furthermore, Legion himself has said that the Geth would have been willing to cooperate and make peace with the Quarians if only they had asked nicely. Unfortunately, the Admiralty Board overdosed on stupid pills and decided to retake the homeworld while the rest of the galaxy was preoccupied with the Reaper invasion.
Now your comparison. The Quarians immediatly agreed to fight the Reapers with everyting they have once their civilians are in relative safety, that is as safe as any other race's civilians during the war. The only way to get official Salarian support is to betray another ally.
If Mordin survives Tuchunka, he pledges his support to Shepard.
If Kirrahe and Councilor Valern survive ME1 and the Citadel coup, they too pledge their support to Shepard.
If Jondum Bau survives the ordeal with the indoctrinated Hanar diplomat, he too pledges his support to Shepard.
If Wreav is the leader of Clan Urdnot, then only a fool would turn down Dalatrass Linron's support. If not, then the Salarians are still no where near as terrible as the Quarians because they did not attempt to needlessly instigate hosilities with the Geth at such a crucial point in the war.
Every other Salarian force that joins you is a result of personal favors.
Shepard needs to risk the lives of himself and his crew in order to get the Quarians to cooperate. Additionally, Shepard may also have to betray his Geth allies in order to gain Quarian support. So yes, Shepard too has to do favors for the Quarians.
That's pretty much the whole premise of ME2 & 3.
Now who is uncooperative?
The Quarians are still at the top of the list.
Duh.
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 10:39
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How's being on a planet working out for humans?
The Quarians have no idea how good they had it.
Seriously.
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 10:43
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garrus and ashley squad wrote...
Galbrant wrote...
Meh... I wanted to murder the Quarians for attacking the Geth when they were preparing to help us against the Reapers... But when Legion mentions to uploading the Reaper Code. I wholeheartedly understand killing Legion and letting the Quarians wiping out the last remnants of the Geth. I can always rip out Han Gerrel's spine and beating his lifeless suit rat body with it after the war.
To bad we don't live long enough to do that.
Well... yeah... damn I wish I had the PC version....
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 11:36
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Yup, I'm gonna post this again for 2 reasons. First being it seems nobody seen my first post. Second is for everyone that buys into Legions 'We would have accepted peace if we knew the organics wouldn't attack' bollocks.
This is a lore established quote btw.
'In the aftermath of the war, the Geth became a completely isolationist society. Cutting off all contact with the organic species of the galaxy, they expanded their territory into the unexplored regions behind a vast nebulae cloud known as the Perseus Veil. Every attempt to open diplomatic channels with them failed: emissary vessels sent to open negotiations were attacked and destroyed the moment they entered Geth space.
But please, everybody ignore this and replace facts* with your own opinion.
*The fact being that when Legion said the Geth were open to peace negotiations he was clearly talking out his bolthole.
This is a lore established quote btw.
'In the aftermath of the war, the Geth became a completely isolationist society. Cutting off all contact with the organic species of the galaxy, they expanded their territory into the unexplored regions behind a vast nebulae cloud known as the Perseus Veil. Every attempt to open diplomatic channels with them failed: emissary vessels sent to open negotiations were attacked and destroyed the moment they entered Geth space.
But please, everybody ignore this and replace facts* with your own opinion.
*The fact being that when Legion said the Geth were open to peace negotiations he was clearly talking out his bolthole.
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Posté 03 août 2013 - 11:59
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@ginner dave:
Is Legion lying or is his dialogue simply being used to retcon what was said in the book? Star Trek has done this countless times. In The Next Generation's "Encounter at Farpoint," it's strongly implied that Ferengi eat intelligent beings, but no reference to this is ever made later, even though it should be a pretty big deal if true. Why? Because the Ferengi didn't work as villains at all, and the writers decided to take them in a different, more comical direction.
The same thing happened with Legion and the Geth. The writers decided they didn't want them to be full-on villains in ME2, so a lot of retroactive continuity was introduced. The point is that maintaining 100% logical consistency with the most minute details of the lore (particularly details that are elaborated on in books that are probably read by only a fractional percentage of the ME or Star Trek audience) isn't always the best way to consume a media product. I strongly doubt that the best way to watch Star Trek: Deep Space Nine is to say to oneself, "I don't like those Ferengi characters (i.e. Quark, Rom, Nog, etc.) because you know what, I bet they eat people in their spare time."
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Is Legion lying or is his dialogue simply being used to retcon what was said in the book? Star Trek has done this countless times. In The Next Generation's "Encounter at Farpoint," it's strongly implied that Ferengi eat intelligent beings, but no reference to this is ever made later, even though it should be a pretty big deal if true. Why? Because the Ferengi didn't work as villains at all, and the writers decided to take them in a different, more comical direction.
The same thing happened with Legion and the Geth. The writers decided they didn't want them to be full-on villains in ME2, so a lot of retroactive continuity was introduced. The point is that maintaining 100% logical consistency with the most minute details of the lore (particularly details that are elaborated on in books that are probably read by only a fractional percentage of the ME or Star Trek audience) isn't always the best way to consume a media product. I strongly doubt that the best way to watch Star Trek: Deep Space Nine is to say to oneself, "I don't like those Ferengi characters (i.e. Quark, Rom, Nog, etc.) because you know what, I bet they eat people in their spare time."
EDIT: Fixed grammar
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Posté 04 août 2013 - 12:24
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ginner dave wrote...
Yup, I'm gonna post this again for 2 reasons. First being it seems nobody seen my first post. Second is for everyone that buys into Legions 'We would have accepted peace if we knew the organics wouldn't attack' bollocks.
This is a lore established quote btw.
'In the aftermath of the war, the Geth became a completely isolationist society. Cutting off all contact with the organic species of the galaxy, they expanded their territory into the unexplored regions behind a vast nebulae cloud known as the Perseus Veil. Every attempt to open diplomatic channels with them failed: emissary vessels sent to open negotiations were attacked and destroyed the moment they entered Geth space.
But please, everybody ignore this and replace facts* with your own opinion.
*The fact being that when Legion said the Geth were open to peace negotiations he was clearly talking out his bolthole.
Just one question: How did the Geth know that the Quarians didn't ask someone else for backup so that they can attack?
They knew only that the Quarians would attack, given any opportunity.
Not saying your wrong, but what evidence do you use to support otherwise?
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Posté 04 août 2013 - 01:41
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The thing about "We would have accepted peace if we knew the organics wouldn't attack."
To the geth this is a 1 or 0. This means "knew they would never attack." That means ever. That means no organic would ever attack. Since that is an unknown, and there is insufficient data to make any assessment they are not open to peace unless they have no other option.
To the geth this is a 1 or 0. This means "knew they would never attack." That means ever. That means no organic would ever attack. Since that is an unknown, and there is insufficient data to make any assessment they are not open to peace unless they have no other option.
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Posté 04 août 2013 - 01:45
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There's no line in the game which directly contradicts what the book said about the Geth, the writers conviniently left it out.osbornep wrote...
@ginner dave:
Is Legion lying or is his dialogue simply being used to retcon what was said in the book? Star Trek has done this countless times. In The Next Generation's "Encounter at Farpoint," it's strongly implied that Ferengi eat intelligent beings, but no reference to this is ever made later, even though it should be a pretty big deal if true. Why? Because the Ferengi didn't work as villains at all, and the writers decided to take them in a different, more comical direction.
The same thing happened with Legion and the Geth. The writers decided they didn't want them to be full-on villains in ME2, so a lot of retroactive continuity was introduced. The point is that maintaining 100% logical consistency with the most minute details of the lore (particularly details that are elaborated on in books that are probably read by only a fractional percentage of the ME or Star Trek audience) isn't always the best way to consume a media product. I strongly doubt that the best way to watch Star Trek: Deep Space Nine is to say to oneself, "I don't like those Ferengi characters (i.e. Quark, Rom, Nog, etc.) because you know what, I bet they eat people in their spare time."
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Posté 04 août 2013 - 02:58
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They were both at fault; the Quarians because they didn't have better controls with the Geth and consequences of Geth networking in large enough numbers. The Geth because they were the ones to wipe out 99% of the Quarians during the Morning War. The nonsense they we were force-fed in 3 was just ridiculous as the Geth were made out to be fluffy bunnies of peace, innocence and love vs their EVIL Quarians overlords.
The Geth weren't slaves anymore than my computer or a Roomba I use to vacuum my house. The Geth were tools, not living beings, they were designed, built and operated as such until they networked enough numbers to start questioning and moved past that.
The Geth weren't slaves anymore than my computer or a Roomba I use to vacuum my house. The Geth were tools, not living beings, they were designed, built and operated as such until they networked enough numbers to start questioning and moved past that.
